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Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 21, 2017, 11:01:46 PM »
Reading some of the posts above, you would think that the manager has nothing at all to do with the performances on the field.

That is what has irked me.

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 21, 2017, 12:46:23 AM »
Regular poor discipline, from a variety of players, is a major management failure.
Not striking someone in the face is more basic than hopping and soloing. And you don't expect new management to come in and teach the lads how to hop and solo now, do you. By your logic Alex Ferguson is responsible for Roy Keane pole axing Alfie Haland and trying to break his legs as well as 7 other red card offences? And I thought drinking stopped on Sunday. What about that time Cantona kung fu kicked the palace supporter and regularly got yellow and red cards? Yep, Fergies fault.

This is the thing Tony my dear friend.
You claim to be ok with criticism of Creedon and that your issue is that people are calling for his head NOW. I have made it clear that I am not calling for his head now, yet you cannot take criticism of him!

Are you implying that playing with 14 players in so many of your competitive games is normal/acceptable?
Do you not think that management have a major say in a team's discipline?
If this was a different manager, such as last years one, these incidents would partially be blamed on a lack of respect among the players for management. You keep telling us how highly the players regard this fella. You don't continuously let somebody who have the height of respect for down. Something doesn't add up there.

Criticism of Creedon is not treason or burying our heads in the sand. I speak for myself and have made it clear why I am critical of him.
He is well "compensated". I don't expect him to work miracles. But he has had long enough to have basic things like discipline in place.
There is a serious lack of discipline there. The league is almost over.
That is not good enough.

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 20, 2017, 11:01:53 PM »
We would have 6 points if it wasn't for poor discipline.
Probably at least 8 if it wasn't for an injury list as long and more detrimental on any Laois team that I can remember.
Yes we have serious problems. Another poor U21 campaign highlighted that further, but Creedon is not one of them.

I must be the only one who thinks it, but as far as I am concerned that is a massive contradiction.

Regular poor discipline, from a variety of players, is a major management failure. It is a matter which requires no talent and does not depend on opposition performance. It should be easily resolved where this is respect and high standards.

If management cannot address this over the course of 5-6 months that raises serious questions, to my mind!

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 19, 2017, 07:51:27 PM »
Not everybody who has criticised Creedon has suggested that we get rid of him.
Some posters would do well to comprehend that.

Some of those defending him seem to think that he shouldn't be criticised.

Too early to run him? Yes.
Too early to expect more of him and the team? No.
Too early to criticise him? No.

He's in a well paid position. I don't see any problem with people expecting the basics to be in place. For example keeping 15 men on the field on a regular basis.

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 19, 2017, 07:18:51 PM »
You cannt blame the manager for what O'Connor did.

When different players are being sent off game after game, does this issue ever become a management issue?

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 19, 2017, 06:56:54 PM »
Blame the manager and the setup all you want. We clearly don't have the ability. Joe Higgins, Malachy or Pat Roe are not going to change the fact that we're at a poor level at the moment with lots of injuries and some players playing well out of position. A new manager will not work miracles. Give it a break.

And a man being paid handsomely (and most likely tax free) is in a position where people are entitled to ask questions of him.
Players being sent off game after game after game reflects extremely poorly on a manager (as well as the players involved).

Laois / Re: Allianz Football League 2017 - Division 3
« on: March 19, 2017, 06:15:06 PM »
TBH when you bring somebody in, give him free reign on how he wants to do things, allow him to bring an extensive backroom team of his own choosing AND pay him a lot of money, there must be certain expectations.
Some level of discipline and beating the likes of Antrim when you need a win would be among the most basic of these expectations.

Laois / Re: Club transfers
« on: March 15, 2017, 05:54:50 PM »
There is precedence for when clubs have played county minors etc to lose any points won (Ballinakill didn't win any).

What has been suggested here about McDonald is a lot more serious- whatever age he is!

Laois / Re: Club transfers
« on: March 14, 2017, 11:15:05 PM »
Look what I started  :o In all seriousness, I hope that the transfer process is all above board. Ballinakill would hardly be that stupid to pull such an act if he's not a registered Ballinakill player.

Surely not.

Laois / Re: Club transfers
« on: March 14, 2017, 10:44:04 PM »
McDonald transfer was refused, he should never of been playing

That is an extremely serious offence if what you say is true?

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: March 14, 2017, 08:46:55 PM »
As alluded to earlier, we have shipped heavy beatings with one and even two sweepers in the past.

Our wing forwards and midfielders need to drop deeper, and work-rate/tackling from wing forwards and midfield need to be upped massively. This would help stop our half backs being dragged those crucial 20/30 metres up he field. Also, on the Limerick puck outs our half backs were chasing Limerick lads (often on dummy runs) across and around the field. If the midfield positioning was a bit better and half forwards were back a bit to congest the space, the half back line could hold their positions on opposition puck outs.

We seem to be way too nice too, hardly got a shoulder on to a Limerick runner all game. Not enough defenders that could be described as uncompromising.   Leigh Bergin is a nice hurler but not strong enough in the air or aggressive enough in the tackle for an inter count 3 or 6, at least not yet. Paddy Purcell for me is not a natural defender either, Dwayne Palmer often plays as forward with his club, a lovely hurler and like Paddy good in the sweeper role. Sean Downey another light young lad starting out. It would be easier for the likes of Sean Downey and Leigh Bergin to learn the ropes if players like Tom Delaney, Darren Maher, Gearoid Burke were around, but we have who we have I suppose. Hopefully Mathew will be back soon.

I did find a bit strange that manager and selectors were not down on the sideline again, especially when we were in such trouble. I understand the logic that it gives a better view, but at the same time, nothing seemed to be getting down to address way space was opening up in front of our full back line.

On a positive note, most of forwards did pretty well, Willie Dunphy had one of his best matches for Laois and Aaron Dunphy showed some sweet striking.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, BUT!

The 13/14/15 team was making progress towards being able to play without a sweeper, but that team is gone. Unfortunately.7

This team needs someone like Purcell or Palmer available to intercept and interrupt dangerous situations, as well as being available to take passes and clear the ball. I know it's not perfect and there will be beatings, but this is a particularly young and limited team and I think they need it.
Pulling out our half forward line alone will not be enough just yet, in my opinion.
I could see us still struggling to work ball out from defence, and instead clearing ball after ball to an unmarked opposition half back line!

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: March 14, 2017, 05:53:59 PM »
Can we not play Paddy Purcell in a Tadgh De Burca type role? He is excellent on the ball, great in the air and can carry the ball through tackles. Surely that would reduce the number of goal chances. Perhaps when Whelan is back we can try this. It worked v Westmeath in relegation game last year very well.

We need this.
But many around the county (some in fairly lofty positions) wanted Cheddar gone because he wanted to continue with this.

At the very least we need to be pragmatic in our match ups and our defensive shape. It looks like we are just prepared to follow our men wherever they go. Crazy for this level.

The current set up should be perfect for us.
There will always be at least two teams at our level and 2 more we should be able to be reasonably competitive with, plus a very strong side.
We will not make progress in Div 2A or in an 8 team Division 2.

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: March 12, 2017, 04:55:24 PM »
I would lay a lot of the blame at the management team door for this one. This supposedly great back room team that was assembled leaves much to be desired in my opinion. I really felt sorry for the full back line, even though we conceded over 50 points I thought Healy, Bergin and Palmer were very good for long periods considering the pressure they were under. A blind man could see what Limerick were doing, dragging our half back line all over the place and leaving huge space for their full forward line and runners coming from deep. This is the area where we were destroyed last night. There was 60 yards of space between our full back and half back lines. Our half back line were taken to the cleaners as Hegarty beat us on his own in the first half, I don't know how they left Mullaney on him for so long. Midfield were ok at times but were second best overall. In fairness to our forward line the all had their moments with Cha leading the charge and Aaron Dunphy scoring 4 points off Seamus Hickey on his first start. 1-19 is no bad score against Limerick so it's obvious where the problem was.
Is a sweeper the answer?...for me no it's not. All other top teams have developed a defensive strategy of not conceding goals by funnelling guys from the half forward line and midfield back to help out defensively and close down space. Apart from Tipp kk game last night where 5 goals we're scored, there have been very very few goals scored in the league this year. Laois more than anyone need to adopt this type of defensive system, what went on last night was criminal.
When this system is followed you get your scores from out the field and leave one or two ball winners inside for the ones that won't reach the target i.e
Shane O Donnell and Aaron Shanagher - Clare
Maurice Shanahan - Waterford
Seamie Callanan and John McGrath - Tipp etc etc
We have guys who can take scores from out the field i.e Cha, Purcell, picky and leave Foyle and maybe Willie Dunphy inside. The game is built on a huge work rate and intensity to win the battles out the field. I really hope we are not as naive in Wexford, put in a performance and for God sake not be handing soft goals away. We really missed Mathew last night too, our half back line was very porous, it's such an important line and we need men in there to stand up and drive the team forward.

A lot of sense talked there.
You are correct in saying that a sweeper might not be the answer. Withdrawing the half forward line would certainly help.
I agree that the management seem to be very naive. The way we started against Offaly was mainly down to the 2 v 2 we were happy to play on our full back line. Madness.

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: March 12, 2017, 02:10:55 PM »
In our last three games we have conceded
20 points (to 13 men)
31 points
33 points

And it was Cheddar who was reading the whole situation wrong by playing a sweeper.

Unbelievable concession of scores for definite but just to balance the point regarding Cheddar and sweeper systems... The scoreline when Laois played Limerick last year (2016) under Cheddar was Limerick 6-29 to Laois 1-12 and that's with one sometimes quite often two sweepers in defence.

No difference really. Point is it doesn't really matter about sweepers and systems, players are simply not good enough and that's not taking from the huge effort they put in. Just not good enough full stop.

Absolutely accept that Laois shipped hammerings last year with Cheddar at the helm.
But the undoubted progress that was made from 13-15 was built around solidity first.
There was a very vocal element of supporters, delegates and players who were pushing for a more expansive game from the start of last year.
It has not worked. We cannot go toe to toe with these teams at present. There are two options.

1) Go out naively and get hammered before inevitably returning to Division 2A. I don't see any learning in this.

2) Set yourself up to be competitive from the start, reassess after 45-50 mins. Can we afford to go man on man for the last 20 minutes. Yes or no depending on the situation.
We cannot keep conceding like we have over the past 14 months. I don't see any solution but to employ a sweeper v the top 4 in the division.

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: March 11, 2017, 11:20:27 PM »
Waterford have used it for past few years, why Laois think 15 on 15 man to man would work is beyond me! Build confidence get experience then you can work with that !

In Laois we know better.
The past 14-15 months have seen a huge number of senior players depart the scene.
This, apparently, was the time to transition to 15 on 15.

Against Offaly we even went 2 on 2 in our full back line for the first ten minutes.

We know better.

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