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Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: May 28, 2017, 07:04:50 PM »
Keyser is no sidekick, he's a batman, not Robin.

I'm blushing!

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: May 28, 2017, 06:51:29 PM »
i dont think we will be lacking in drive and intensity Sunday, but if we can get our decision making right under pressure, and cut off supply to Chin, then we could rattle Wexford.
Lee Chin plays midfield for Wexford. He may be picked full forward, but he rarely plays there. Up your game.

Sad. Even sadder that your sidekick at to chip in with a "lol".
We needed to cut off supply to Chin wherever he plays, he's instrumental for Wexford.

They were after goals goals goals today and we did well not to concede more than 1 in the first half. Were just not good enough at the moment and its as simple as that really.

Sidekick?  ;D

While you are correct in saying that we are not good enough at the moment, management did NOTHING to help today.
We had absolutely no shape or structure at the back and no presence in the centre of the field for the entire second half. I don't mean that the players there had no impact- I literally mean that we had no players in the centre of the field. The aforementioned Lee Chin stood at the centre point and collected ball after ball totally unmarked.

On our puckouts our wingbacks followed their wing forwards up beyond the centre of the field.
On their puckouts we had 8 players inside THEIR 65. This stopped the short puckout BUT the ball invariably went over their heads and (seeing as we now had nobody in the middle of the field) left their half forward line 1v1 under puckouts. We had a sweeper who did not seem to know where to be and I don't think he cleared a ball. Totally ineffective.

It should be an eye opening moment. We can play unstructured hurling v Westmeath, Kerry, Carlow and possibly Offaly and compete and win. Anyone above that will cut us to shreds as long as we play like this. It was juvenile in its naivety. I flagged this way back when we played Offaly in the league and our corner back followed their corner forward out the field (leaving 2v2 on OUR full back line) and Offaly scored 1-2 in the opening minutes as a direct result of the space created.

At times today there were Wexford players unmarked in the right half forward position for 3-4 phases of play. This was in front of me in the stand in the first half. It was about 3-4m away from the Laois technical area. Nobody was called to pick the free player up. I know it is not an U12 team but the sheer lack of any attempts to set up a solid rearguard today was disturbing.
If Wexford weren't so intent on getting goals they could have easily racked up 35 points.

Still there are some positives. We battled hard for 30mins before running out of steam. We took some good scores. Lee Cleere had a fine game. Paddy Purcell got a fantastic goal. Ciaran Collier held his own. Rowland made a series of very good saves.

Please god we don't get Tipp,and can we please attempt to shut things down and limit space in our own half the next day.

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: May 28, 2017, 11:01:34 AM »
i dont think we will be lacking in drive and intensity Sunday, but if we can get our decision making right under pressure, and cut off supply to Chin, then we could rattle Wexford.
Lee Chin plays midfield for Wexford. He may be picked full forward, but he rarely plays there. Up your game.


I would be worried about  Conor McDonald. A fine talent who seems able to win any sort of ball that goes into him.

To repeat from earlier in the week, we regularly enough have a right good go at Wexford, rarely enough get a bad beating.
Our club teams always compete well v Wexford in Leinster Leagues and Club Championships.
I'm looking forward to it.

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: May 25, 2017, 03:53:21 PM »
In fairness Cork just tore into Tipp with a level of physicality and intensity that Tipp just couldn't compete with. They also won a serious amount of primary possession. The half back line bossed the Tipp half forwards.

I am not sure if we can bring that level to our game and sustain it for 70 minutes against Wexford. We can do it against Kerry and did in the relegation playoff but I certainly couldn't see us doing a Cork on it.

While they did bring serious physicality, Cork also had a fairly clever plan. Positioning of their insider forwards and Nash's clever distribution combined to bypass the Tipp half back line. Their consequent scramble to get on ball saw them moving towards their own goal an awful lot more than usual. When they were doing this Cork half forwards opened up, forcing them to come back out. Simple.

Simple, done well, is usually the best way.

Wexford will want to play short quite a bit. This can lead to mistakes, particularly in a championship opener. Press high up FROM PLAY, keeping midfielders deep. From DEAD BALLS drop well off.
Stopping McDonald from dominating in the air will be very very important. He has a few years physically on Bergin.
It will be interesting.

Physicality, and intensity, will be vital components. But there is no point in pretending that these will be enough and that we can just go out and play.

Looking forward to it!

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:39:07 PM »
Good win, good score, good spread of scorers.

All I ever looked for from a well resourced management was that Laois would look fit, be disciplined and beat teams they should be beating- Longford being in that category.
That looks to have happened.

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: May 15, 2017, 12:41:53 AM »
There is more than one agenda there Merman, depending on the time of the year.
The agenda heightens during the transfer window!

On Christy Walsh, he might have come with a decent CV, but he was very much down the line in terms of approaches. The world and its mother said no to the job apparently!

Laois / Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
« on: May 14, 2017, 05:37:52 PM »
So Wexford it is. Think I'd have preferred them to Offaly. Should focus our lads!

I like that draw.
It's not Offaly again. That's almost no win now. If we lose 2015 becomes a flash in the pan. If we win- ah ye can beat Offaly the odd time when they are poor, but ye can't beat anyone else.

This is a step up on Offaly, but it's not Kilkenny, Dublin or Galway. Or worse, the Munster teams.

Positive championship so far- nothing to lose now, and although we ship the odd hiding from them, we are generally competitive with Wexford.

Got the job done today too, sounded like a good second half from Laois. Well done.

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: May 14, 2017, 01:44:16 AM »

We were all pre-warned. Everyone. If you didn't know this was a minor panel who struggled at 14/15/16 level then shame on you. You're an idiot.

Look, today was ugly. It was bad. Really bad.
But the Dublin game could have been just the same. We had a plan and we stuck to it doggedly. Kilkenny saw our plan, our limitations and exploited both and more.

We prepared a team very well this last two months. It wasn't a great team and with 3 exceptions, it won't be a team heralded for producing Laois Senior Hurlers.

Fair play to everyone involved and I mean pretty much everyone. We had a management team that inspired a decent team with literally zero input from the actual manager. Christy Walsh will leave having had absolutely no impact, provided no impetus and done little but drain our coffers of valuable resources. Plenty commenting here know this as a fact and I can't for the life of me figure out why it hasn't been said before now. Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

In my opinion, we have better teams to follow and I hope we see definite improvements, we'll see that if they buy in like this year's minors did.

100% the truth. I suppose people just don't like coming out with stuff like that. But it is the truth from what I know of what has been going on.

There are others involved who deserve credit. They shouldn't be ridiculed.

Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

All you can do is work hard and ATTEMPT to reach the maximum heights possible with the talent at your disposal. Today was my 3rd time watching this team this year, but I've seen a good bit of most of the players. They are simply not there.
I echo the above statement.

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: May 14, 2017, 12:09:41 AM »

I saw 18 men versus 1 man in Portlaoise today. 15 were wearing black and amber jerseys, one was their manager, one was the referee and finally only one had the honour to don' the blue and white.

Could you elaborate on this for those of us who don't live inside your head?

On the other points.
Every team has it's limitations. Particularly at minor level.
Identifying problems and coming up with ways to ATTEMPT to address them is vital to any management/coaching set up.
You correctly identify this as important.
It is a massive assumption to suggest that this did not happen.

Computers do what they are told and when programmed properly operate 100% all the time. There are no variables (Opposition, nerves, human error etc etc)
It is not comparable.

Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: May 13, 2017, 11:45:12 PM »

Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Have you ever prepared a team at any level?
Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there.

Laois were well beaten. We were nowhere near good enough. Unfortunately.
Laois had a couple of very progressive and methodical people involved in both hurling and S&C coaching. Neither of those two deserve to be tainted with that the idea that they don't employ modern methods and attempt to address shortcomings like the ones listed above.
It is not computer programming. There are variables involved, particularly when dealing with young lads, and even  more so when faced with opposition like Kilkenny. Things go wrong. The arse falls out of things on the day sometimes.
It doesn't mean that those preparing the team didn't see what was to be done and try to do it.

And as for honest hurler. Back with another agenda I see. Maybe it is time to look a bit closer to home for the answer to all these problems.

Laois / Re: Club Hurling
« on: May 13, 2017, 12:23:46 AM »
I see Na Fianna have given a walkover in the MHL Div2 game. You'd wonder how many more matches will be conceded, in light of the recent trouble?

Na Fianna don't seem to need much of an excuse to give a walkover. Can't blame Clonaslee for them all

Laois / Re: Leinster Minor Football Championship 2017
« on: May 06, 2017, 07:39:39 PM »
Excellent result. Very positive. Well done to all!
(Delaney out! :))

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: May 06, 2017, 07:37:45 PM »
Why have we taken on MASSIVE capital projects, when our on-the-field exploits are taking a nose-dive?

Why are dressing rooms being built in the COE, when OMP is right beside it?

I don't think the investment in top quality training pitches to be used as a training base for county teams is really optional. I'd back them on the COE.

On the other question, I was explaing the new COE to a fella from Connemara recently. I explained where it was etc and his reaction was "Oh go han mhaith! Smart move, so you don't need to waste money duplicating dressing rooms etc!".
And I went, "well, no we are building standalone dressing rooms!.......but err, ye, you have a point!".
I too am surprised at the apparent luxury we are undertaking in this area!

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: May 05, 2017, 11:25:21 PM »
Thats telling you wholeheartedly agree with original poster, we won't beat Longford by the way.

Don't understand this remark?

Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Football Championship 2017
« on: May 05, 2017, 06:48:46 PM »
tony I am going to pick you up on your last musings on this thread, and gather up a few overall thoughts.

firstly tony, you now declare Laois football a poisoned chalice, during the entire league, you offered the excuse of "missing players" for poor have been an apologist from day 1 for this management.

I will tell you my views on the most recent(8-10 years of laois managements).
Justin McNulty I met 2 weeks ago....I was a big fan of him as a marks would have been low, but he kept us organised and competitive(possibly even punching above our weight).....he told me he is giving total commitment to his job at Stormont and has minimal involvement in GAA management now.........if he did leave politics and return to GAA, there would be a queue to offer him an intercounty role.

Liam kearns is a canny operator: a decent manager, not top class.....he was part of the Roscommon set up under John Evans and now with Tipp.....canny because he only moves to counties with the talent already at his will not see him at a Carlow for instance.

O Flaherty, at best a selector, a 5 star spoofer as a manager.
Mick Lillis a good man at club management and was fighting a losing battle from day 1 at the helm of the seniors as most saw him as a sticking plaster arrangement.

Now for your view Tony, that Creedon was well respected.......if he was so well respected why was he rejected out of hand for his native Cork job when that position was vacant last summer?

I posted on the football league thread at half time in the opening league game against Louth....I said then what I was watching was a disaster and my prediction of relegation unfortunately materialised.

A management team can be unlucky with missing players....BUT......
(1)  a proper management will have a definite game plan and in the modern game such plans if adhered to can dilute the effect of missing players...............from day 1 against Louth this Laois team has had no plan whatsoever.

(2)  during the league campaign this squad has lacked fitness compared to other must then question the fitness coach

(3) the lack of fitness and lack of gameplan/style, items 1 and 2 have been cruelly exposed in Division 3.....yes 3....doubtful if any of the 7 other teams in the division will grace an all Ireland quarter final in 2017...........if you are found out in division 3, imagine how bad things would have been against the quality sides.

(4) little or no discipline. 

the only people I hear defending this management are those that appointed them and their close friends......if a senior club side in laois brought an outside coach in with these results in a club league campaign, said coach would be sacked before the championship and someone else brought in to try and give the set up a shot in the arm and at least some level of renewed optimism.

How many of the 16 senior clubs sides in laois would offer Creedon a job judged on his results to date with this county?

Look the big picture was this executive in Laois have been out of their depth for some time....on the credit side, they have developed the training facility.....but on the pitch, they have overseen the plummeting in standards of laois inter county football from underage to senior, and little of late has happened to address that trend. 

The executive appointed and stood by a dud like O Flaterty for 2 years, then appointed Lillis in a panic.  To appease the masses last Autumn Creedon and his "top class backroom team" were appointed in a publicity blitz as a measure to quell the anger that was bubbling with Laois football supporters.
Apart from Tipperary underage, Creedon was in essence an unproven quantity, and that aspect meant he deserved time to prove himself as well as buying time for the executive. In a results and performance business, we now know, that Mick Lillis was every bit as good as Creedon and co., and once again the executive failed.

A speedy exit from the championship is desired, and what is required is a special conference of all those concerned about Laois football, and a plan for intercounty from Under 14 to Senior needs to be detailed, not a piecemeal job covering cracks.

The above said, we may beat Longford, but we will fail the moment we encounter a half decent team this summer.

Very well put.

It's not a witch hunt against Creedon, and there is no vested interest (from me anyways, and I'd suspect not from this poster).
There is only so much apologising and excuse making that people can bear.
Intercounty managers are renowned for having "mouthpieces" in the media, particularly outsiders in middle tier counties. Whatever happens now the excuses have been well established- "The County Board just didn't back Creedon. It wasn't his fault,and sure anyways those players can't be managed!"

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