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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« Last post by tiempo on Today at 06:56:54 PM »
Because he's from Omagh and then transferred to Carmen in later years.

Did he leave Omagh to win a Championship with Carmen? Did he win one with Carmen?
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General discussion / Re: Orange Order Museum in Belfast and Loughgall
« Last post by michaelg on Today at 06:55:10 PM »
I said "we don't do hate and bigotry very well".
Never claimed we don't do it at all.
Fair enough - Some manage okay!
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Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Club Football Championship 2017
« Last post by BallyroanAbu on Today at 06:51:52 PM »
Portlaoise always seem to improve in Leinster and 2 years ago they should have drawn against the All Ireland Champions (who won the final pulling up). 
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General discussion / Re: Orange Order Museum in Belfast and Loughgall
« Last post by Rossfan on Today at 06:50:46 PM »
I said "we don't do hate and bigotry very well".
Never claimed we don't do it at all.
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Laois / Re: Championship Draw 2018
« Last post by BallyroanAbu on Today at 06:45:37 PM »
What is an acceptable year getting out of Div 4 and being competitive against Div 2 & 3 teams in the championship?   I would take that, lets be honest Laois are not going to get anywhere near Kildare who next year are a Div 1 team.

Static you are kind Keyser
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General discussion / Re: Orange Order Museum in Belfast and Loughgall
« Last post by michaelg on Today at 06:44:53 PM »
Songs praising freedom from oppression are hardly hatred and bigotry.
What about songs glorifying the Provisional IRA?
I'm not very familiar with any of those. 
Any words of hate or bigotry in them?
Mind you the Provo IRA didn't just appear in a vacuum.
1921 -1969 might have something to do with them?
Listen, we could go round in circles here.  I was simply making the point that hatred and bigotry is not a one way street.  If you can't accept that, then fair enough.
I'm quite sure some of "ours" can have hate and bigotry just as some of "yours".
However the Orange type is in your face and in public all the time.
As for culturall things - compare the All Ireland Fleadh to 12th July.
No fan of the OO and don't go to parades. 
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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« Last post by Wildweasel74 on Today at 06:41:42 PM »
We beat Donegal just once in the championship past 20yrs
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General discussion / Re: Orange Order Museum in Belfast and Loughgall
« Last post by michaelg on Today at 06:40:20 PM »
To be fair michael, you weren't *just* doing that. I'd have no problem accepting that there is hatred and bigotry on both sides, although I would say the bigotry especially is far greater on one side.

But you said something along the lines that going to a Trad music session would expose them to 'bigotry'. I don't know many trad sessions that would be a hive of bigotry, and I also don't know that many rebel songs that would talk about being up to their neck in orange blood or the like. They certainly wouldn't be a common feature in any Trad/Folk session I know of.

You may hear 'Grace', or the 'Bold Fenian Men' or other songs about the struggle for independence, but if that equates to hatred and bigotry then you have different standards than I do :)

PS. The wolfe Tones even sang the 'Sash'.
I only used the trad music session as an example as this was brought up in the same post by the poster who claimed that "we don't do hatred and bigotry". 
I appreciate that most trad sessions are not "a hive of bigotry", but in some instances they can be a bit threatening and unwelcoming. By way of example, I was down south working a few years ago and we were in a pub when a session was in full flow.  Given our "Nordie" accents and the fact that we didn't know the words to most of the songs, we soon had a  number of songs sung at us / for our benefit.  Wasn't terribly pleasant.
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Lads, I have said this before, it was the ever-changing of the rules to favour the forward that led us down this path.
Its got to a stage now where it is so so difficult (impossible) to defend against any decent forward 1v1 , so the automatic thing for managers to do is to come up with a system to cover for this.

Did you not watch the All Ireland? Loads of examples of great individual defending. You can of course defend as an individual especially within a good team work ethic.

There were indeed some good examples of defending, but what i am talking about is what happens if you allow top quality inside forwards space to take on their man 1 v1 . there is  reason why managers set up teams to avoid this situation.It is almost impossible to defend that way. Defenders have to be far more conservative now than they used to be as any sort of incidental contact challenging for the ball can be given as a free against them, its not worth the risk. Add to that the fact that pretty much every foul now seems to get a  card, defenders are generally scared stiff of over committing. The only way to defend is in numbers.

I agree, there's been too much physicality taken out of defending but I don't agree the only way to defend is in numbers, Mayo and Kerry are proving that. Playing from the front and getting midfielders and half forwards to help out is the key, you don't need to play with double sweepers or lads dropping back into predesignated positions. Defend in your forwards and get support into the defensive danger zones will work just fine. You won't see a blanket defensive team win another All Ireland.

Are you watching a different Kerry side to the rest of us?

Whatever case you can make for Mayo trying to play positively, suggesting Kerry under Fitzmaurice do exposes how little you seem to have looked into this and that you are instead relying on old stereotypes to support your point.
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Laois / Re: Championship Draw 2018
« Last post by Keyser Söze on Today at 06:34:46 PM »
Ideal draw for the players and management team. Sets the year up nicely, as others have said.

Division 4 win and get to a Leinster semi final v Kildare in Croke Park is a realistic and achievable aim. It would be a positive year after several that were static at best.
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