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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: Today at 04:57:46 PM »
Sorry,but how was he able to lift his head and pick out a foot pass if he was being harrassed and tackled so well

Probably because he's David Clifford!!
Are the 2 Cliffords related?

They are from different clubs according to the programme, if that helps? It didn't help Derry!

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: Today at 04:56:04 PM »
After the steep learning curve of the disappointment of Derry's comprehensive   All Ireland Minor defeat, no doubt Damian McErlain and his management team will have realised the futility of persisting with a game plan which does not include the presence of a sweeper or the concept of a top player(albeit a phenomenally physically developed and extraordinarily talented individual in the case of David Clifford) being double - marked in the modern game.

That said and that harsh lesson undoubtedly learned I have no doubt that both Damian and his Minor players will bounce back  to replicate the magnificent individual and team performances that they have cumulatively given over the course of the last three years.The talent both on and off the field is definitely there.Their biggest tactical challenge is to learn from the mistakes of the past and to adapt accordingly.

Players like Conor McCluskey,Oisin and Lorcan McWilliams,Callum Brown,Declan Cassidy( surprisingly not given much game time during the minor campaign),Paddy Quigg and Padraig McGrogan are only some of the players from this year's minor squad who have the ability to develop into top class Senior inter county players.Others when they develop physically have the skill sets to join them.

So despite the mistakes of last Sunday Damian McErlain has  restored pride and confidence in Derry football again.Everyone will wish him well as he attempts  to ensure that all the best players will be available for inter county Senior duty when he announces his new panel in the coming weeks.

By the way  does anyone know when  the County Board will announce the management teams for Derry's U17 and U20 teams for next year?

Love the 'restored pride' bit.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:30:11 PM »
The 3rd goal was down to exceptional vision from one of the very best!  Put it down to a great pass under pressure!
What were the other five goals down to?

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 09:52:53 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.
Did you say good defence---we conceded 6-17,we had no cover in defence at all and with alot of our players in the attacking half we could only score 1-8.
Lets call it as it should be, we were terrible in our shape,selection,fitness levels etc etc etc and really it was embarrassing.
I believe the team was in town this evening and got a very warm reception which they deserved but the game was over before it really had started.If Clifford had have being handled better we had as good of players as the rest of the kerry lads.And leaving young Brown on the bench for most of the year,enough said

"We had as good of players as the rest of the Kerry lads." Sorry but I would really have to question that assessment, Derry struggled in many positions against superior opposition. For example Fiachra Clifford also ran riot.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:25:59 PM »
Congratulations to Slaughtneil on a fantastic 5 hurling titles in a row and to Eoghan Rua on winning the All Ireland football 7s, especially Sean Leo who got player of the tournament apparently. As for Derry minors, a number froze on the day which is understandable but for the management to freeze? That was bordering on the unforgiveable. Had they practised any Clifford (or Cliffords!) scenarios in training? 6 goals between them, could have been 10.  Really hope that all of the minors recover from the experience because that was tough going.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 16, 2017, 09:19:40 PM »
Looks like a more defensive approach to start, which might be wise tactically? Timing of impact subs will be crucial to outcome. Maybe trying to finish strong with what has been held in reserve?  At least there are good options on the bench.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:55:06 AM »
Good crowd to see the minors off this morning which is very encouraging. If they can stick with Kerry to last quarter I fancy our chances as they have finished strongly in the last two games and the Dublin victory will have been a real boost to confidence. Kerry have not played as good a team as Derry this year and if we keep a high intensity from off, cracks might start to appear. Kerry's defence has conceded 9 goals in 5 games.   Anyhow, fantastic to be part of the biggest sporting event in Ireland. Doire abú!

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:10:30 AM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.
Dear God, you are thick? The only 'fact' that was incorrect was the number of players who didn't play. 21 players instead of 20 as originally stated. Me bad! If you interpret that as me stating that I can't remember what I posted then...well, what can I say. You might have had an argument if I could only have named say15 or 16, but when there were actually more...

Once you bring god into the discussion, you always admit defeat. Thanks. There is no god, you probably are a former teacher who may even still believe in santa, probably attend mass regularly and can name 21 saints. But speaking on behalf of 21 AI winners is indeed a miracle.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 10:06:47 PM »
By your own admission, they weren't facts?! Can you not even remember what you posted?  40 years of bitterness is not good for your health or memory.  Do you not want to be still around when Glen wins the Senior Championship for the first time?  But please stop your character assassination of Mickey Moran, a gentleman both on and off the football pitch.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 13, 2017, 07:45:41 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.



Hi Ho Silver, tell me this Silver me bucko, if, when he was allegedly asked, he had said yes and he had went on to win 3,   yes 3 Derry titles in a row and 2 Ulster titles in that time with Glen,  do you think the same hostility would be shown to him by Enda or other Glen people? They'd be carrying him up and down Maghera. You need not try to fool anyone into to thinking that the anger shown to King Mickey is anything other pure jealously at what he has helped us achieve.  Up the Robbies!!
Hypothetical question Billy as that scenario was never going to materialise. Mickey couldn't countenance taking his own club because even he couldn't put the bare face on and ask for coin. So, your question is sort of irrelevant really.

And based on your character assassination over the last few days, most true GAA people would say that Mickey was 100% correct not to go anywhere near the club.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:49:27 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.


No they are not the facts, they are the facts according to you. Big difference. I have total respect for both, worked with one and played football with the other. Things happen, fallout after an AI win is common place in counties.  Not managing your own club team is not a crime, even if asked. The handshake or not is an over reaction to defeat and victory in a championship semifinal, which I absolutely understand but to question either's commitment to Derry GAA is a red (and white!) line for me. Life will go on, especially on Sunday.
Please let me know which one of my facts are incorrect Restore? The non handshakes..Moran's behaviour whilst Coleman  was in America then after he took over... his refusal to manage his own club?
And by the way, fallouts after all Ireland wins are not actually that common. Only in Derry could we win or first(and probably only) title and then sack the manager who delivered it. And over what... a few bob of expenses, a bricklayer with no pension goes to America to earn. Petty shit that any other county would have sorted in the blink of an eye. His crime? He lost a straight knockout championship match that was described as the game of the decade. Hang you heads in shame messrs Moran, gribben and shivers.

If you insist. Name the 20 players.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 10:10:38 PM »
Left Peg, restore pride, a little perspective required. Some facts for you to consider. In the two home league games over the past 2 years, neither Moran nor Gormley sought each other out for handshakes after respective home victories. Moran then suddenlyseeks Enda out after a championship victory when he knows a crowd will be watching the body language. Enda sticks to his principles and refuses the handshake. Opportunism and showboating and false platitudes from Moran.. I'll let you bet he judge of that?
Regarding 93. Enda would have witnessed at close quarters, the behaviour of Moran whilst Coleman was in the states. Moran was a big part of the Derry success and the panel and management would have known that. This is where the humility comes into the equation. That recognition from his peers wasn't sufficient. He saw an opportunity to help remove Coleman and him and h gribben used their position in the co. Board to promote gossip and innuendo regarding Eamon. Loyalty anyone? When challenged by the players about his behaviour, Moran stated that he would step down as interim manager if the players didn't want him. 20 players told him they couldn't play under him after witnessing his treachery yet he still tried to ride it out. Integrity anyone?
Enda would also have seen at first hand, Moran's refusal to manager his home club after 35 years of managing in every other corner of the country. The lure of the silver took him up the road despite being asked by his club to take their seniors. Those are the facts, judge as you see fit.

No they are not the facts, they are the facts according to you. Big difference. I have total respect for both, worked with one and played football with the other. Things happen, fallout after an AI win is common place in counties.  Not managing your own club team is not a crime, even if asked. The handshake or not is an over reaction to defeat and victory in a championship semifinal, which I absolutely understand but to question either's commitment to Derry GAA is a red (and white!) line for me. Life will go on, especially on Sunday.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 04:22:11 PM »
Are Derry minors playing a big game this Sunday?

Yes. Have you any spare tickets?!

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 12, 2017, 07:40:40 AM »
Ask the 75/76 team where he was in 77 when Armagh beat them and went to the AI Final. He certainly wasn't in Clones. Loyalty? Significant role played in 93 I don't think there's anyone  who doubts his coaching ability. Unfortunately he and another selector were on the CB in 94. They had significant roles in the shameful events that year.

If you are going to play that card, any local player in Australia at present?  Catch yourself on. So he went to America as a young man in his twenties in 77. With 40 years of bitterness of that magnitude there might not be a cure.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 11, 2017, 11:30:46 PM »
Parochial .... You can make that arguement if you want. Ask the rest of Maghera what they think.  For a more diverse opinion try some of the 93 team from other clubs. Ask them about integrity and loyalty. Ask them about Moran the CB man and his role in the Coleman sacking. Ask them about his ego and jealousy. Gormley has principles, that why he didn't shake hands. He is the one with integrity.
Will I ask them about his playing exploits with Derry also?  Ulster medals back to back? His contribution to the 93 victory? Moran had no role in the Coleman sacking. A confident first post, mind you, which is interesting. Given the Moran link to Derry GAA teams for over 65 years, loyalty is not an issue. All successful footballers and managers have egos. Knowing both men for many years, I can look beyond a handshake.

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