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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 03:36:44 PM »
No, because I'm not a member of the GPA.

The dissociation between the GPA and the GAA is tenuous at the very least given that the GPA is now a fully endorsed and funded wing of the GAA.

The groups name and location of their event may cross a line in the rule book but there’s a hugely disproportionate reaction to it. Had Harte not been involved I doubt if this would have reached a full page of comment. Had the group been supporting repeal I doubt if comment would have been passed at all on this board.

There has been a succession of reasons as to its impropriety, each more desperate than the last, first was the name (since debunked), second was the “nationality” of those passing comment (also challenged), then there was the venue and lastly has been the programme for the day. To me it seems people are much more willing to challenge the group than they are challenge the argument they are supporting.

It’s become a rather typical response in discourse nowadays, playing the man and not the ball etc. If you believe strongly in repealing the 8th it should be easy to rebuke this group views and arguments rather than having to deny their right to lobby due to rather minor infringements of the GAA’s rule book.

I’ve no dog in this fight, do as you wish with the 8th amendment. However I’m tired of opinion or comment being stifled instead of being countered.

Eh, that's exactly the point.
Thought that was pretty obvious.
The argument isn't the problem.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 01:26:32 PM »
No, because I'm not a member of the GPA.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 01:07:57 PM »
It’s scary how quickly people point the “you aren’t part of us” finger when it suits them. Of course the GAA name shouldn’t be bought into this debate but neither should people from the north’s right to have a view on it. It’s our country too. Hardly any wonder partition was allowed to happen when you scrape the surface and see what the true colours of how partitionist some people from the south actually are. Regardless of the abortion debate it’s depressing how some people from the south view the north of this country.

That's not an issue for me at least.
I just have a problem with the association being appropriated as a vehicle for promoting this group's agenda.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Diarmuid
« on: Today at 12:23:07 PM »
Not aimed at you.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 12:22:41 PM »
I wouldn't underestimate the effect that the support of a public, well-liked 'non-political' figure, can have on voters who are on the fence or simply indifferent to the issue at hand.
As I said before, everyone is entitled to have their say and publicly support whichever side they want, but I don't want the GAA dragged into it.
For all the careful wording this group are using, it is fairly evident that they are using the GAA as a platform by proxy.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 11:39:22 AM »
'Gaelic athletes for life' does seem to be the official title alright.

https://twitter.com/Savethe8thInfo/status/987833880798466048

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 11:34:49 AM »
Just checked there and the name of the group is "Gaelic Athletes for Life" rather than GAA athletes. A minor but significant difference tbf

‘GAA Athletes for a NO vote’


‘GAA Athletes for a NO vote’ has launched its campaign, in advance of the Referendum on the Eighth Amendment.

The Referendum will take place on Friday May 25, 2018.

‘GAA Athletes for a NO vote’ launched its campaign earlier today (Saturday, April 21), at Ballyfermot Sports Centre in Dublin.

The group said it also planned to issue a series of videos, featuring well-known GAA players over the coming month, in which the players will give their reasons for voting NO.

Today’s launch of ‘‘GAA Athletes for a NO vote’ was attended by: Joe Sheridan (Meath), Patrick Gallagher (Antrim), Aoife Cassidy (Derry, All Ireland Camogie winning captain), Anne-Marie McDonagh (Galway Ladies Football) and Micky Harte (Tyrone Manager).

A statement issued at the event said: “The mission statement in the GAA's Strategic Plan assures us that, ‘We actively seek to engage with and include all members of our society.’

“The GAA's vision is ‘that everyone be welcome to participate fully in our games and culture, that they thrive and develop their potential, and be inspired to keep a lifelong engagement with our Association.’

“Many young men and women are wondering how to vote. The GAA insists that there is a place for everybody in our Association, regardless of ability, or disability, regardless of background, regardless of race.

“We are an inclusive organisation. There is a space for everybody at our table. Sport is a place where people come together to test themselves, to strive for greatness, to fulfil their potential, and to express their unique gifts as part of a team.


https://www.donegalnow.com/news/gaa-athletes-no-vote/220650

Those are fairly muddy waters, at best.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Diarmuid
« on: Today at 10:55:21 AM »
If there's one thing that really bugs me about this country, it's the prevalence of gossip masquerading as 'concern'.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: Today at 12:20:19 AM »
https://twitter.com/EDDIEBARRETT/status/987815661094277120

Probably going to see a lot of this type of thing over the next couple of days if the GAA don't act quickly to distance themselves from this specific incident and also to clarify their 'non-political' stance in general.
Social media is full of self-righteous clowns who expect those they disagree with to be punished simply for holding an opposing viewpoint.
My understanding is that they are not in breach of any of the association's rules, therefore to suggest they be 'suspended' is absurd.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: April 21, 2018, 11:55:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/BallyfermotDLS/status/987732535533867008

Fair play to them.
Croke Park needs to get out in front of this, and fast.
There are plenty of people in this country with little or no interest in sport who will not understand the distinction between the position of this small group staging a photo op in a sports centre and position of the wider association.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: April 21, 2018, 11:46:00 PM »
Back in 2015, David Gough was going to wear a rainbow wristband with the GAA's blessing while reffing a game in Croke Park.
However, they then changed their mind and said he couldn't wear it.
My recollection of the incident was there was no issue with him wearing the wristband when it was considered an anti-homophobia gesture, however he then made comments about the same-sex marriage referendum, which then gave the impression it was a political gesture.
Once something becomes political, the association needs to keep well clear.
I think the GPA supported a 'Yes' vote, but they only represent inter-county players (who I presume were consulted in advance) and as such have nothing to do with you or I.
Big difference between a players representative body and the actual association.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: April 21, 2018, 11:22:56 PM »
http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/284050

'The launch takes place at 2pm in the Ballyfermot Sports and Fitness Centre where the GAA stars will campaign for a 'No' vote in the upcoming referendum on the Eighth Amendment.

The GAA stars will conduct a skills training session for local children from 2-3pm, followed by a press availability and the reading out of an official statement thereafter.'


Who in their right mind is going to supply their kids for this photo op?

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:46:13 PM »
Mickey Harte: voters must chose between ‘culture of death and culture of life’

A group of GAA figures launched the GAA Athletes for a No Vote campaign in Dublin on Saturday. Gaelic Athletes for Life said the Government’s proposals on abortion are not inclusive and “seek to exclude one group of people - the unborn - from society”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/mickey-harte-voters-must-chose-between-culture-of-death-and-culture-of-life-1.3469954

Haven't seen any promotional material yet but they should not be using the association's name at all in my opinion.
Doesn't sit well with me, regardless of which way people swing on this issue.
I wouldn't be happy if there was a 'GAA players for yes' campaign either.

I don’t have any issue with the idea of it. There’s enough of the can’t-dare-have-an-opinion-on-society stuff in American pro sports without it infecting amateur sports here too. You should be allowed to have an opinion in public on something as huge as abortion.

That said, the No side of this debate are frankly wrong and in general dehumanise women in how they campaign and use their talking points. I hope the Yes side of the GAA community mobilises itself even more forcefully and does not allow Micky Harte to have the platform to himself.

Given he’s from Tyrone what does unsettle me is he doesn’t even have a vote in the referendum, so it becomes blatant meddling in another country’s legislative process.

You are allowed.
Look at Eamon McGee's involvement with the 'Together4Yes' campaign in Donegal.
Do it in your capacity as a private individual and leave the GAA out of it.

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GAA Discussion / 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: April 21, 2018, 08:17:08 PM »
Mickey Harte: voters must chose between ‘culture of death and culture of life’

A group of GAA figures launched the GAA Athletes for a No Vote campaign in Dublin on Saturday. Gaelic Athletes for Life said the Government’s proposals on abortion are not inclusive and “seek to exclude one group of people - the unborn - from society”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/mickey-harte-voters-must-chose-between-culture-of-death-and-culture-of-life-1.3469954

Haven't seen any promotional material yet but they should not be using the association's name at all in my opinion.
Doesn't sit well with me, regardless of which way people swing on this issue.
I wouldn't be happy if there was a 'GAA players for yes' campaign either.

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True.
Great memories though.




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