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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 22, 2018, 03:42:27 PM »
The other thought nagging at me is what possible motive would the girl have for going this far if she didn't genuinely believe she was raped. It's a very courageous thing to do.

Bar the perhaps obvious and perhaps excusable mis-statements, they could all be telling the truth, or their own biased version of it.

This is all pure speculation as to a potential version of events that could have happened where they would all be telling the "truth":

She got herself into a uncomfortable situation, didnt want to it go nearly as far as it went, but didnt know how to get out of it, so felt like she had no choice but to give in and go along with it. Then when no3 guy comes in, she gets her mojo back and decides enough's enough and leaves - perhaps when she realised someone else had seen her it helped straighten her thoughts.

Then almost immediately she gets really angry with the lads, her honest belief is it wasn't consensual, I didnt really want to take part in a 3some, she feels used, feels taken advantage of, feels raped. She tells her mates, and they suggest she has to go to the police.

But from Jackson's point of view, perhaps he thought here's girl a who fancies me.  She came to his house, she's not drinking, she's not with the 3 other girls, she's goes to his room and they start kissing. Hands start to wander, and she says Enough. She walks out. Paddy thinks, Dammit, I thought I was in. Girl comes back, Paddy thinks this is good. He starts again, thinking all he has to do is push the right button and she'll change her mind. He gets her into a compromising situation, she's not resisting. He's not holding her down, he's not preventing her from moving. She's not shouting Stop. He asks her to take off her top, she complies. So from his point of view, he doesn't think he's done a thing wrong.   

Olding comes in. Sees whats going on and decides to chance he arm. He lays down beside her, gets a blowie and thinks this is a great way to end a night. And then he's utterly astonished when police come knocking.

You have a very active and actively apologetic imagination.

Please explain how you know so categorically that the boys are guilty and the girl is innocent?

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 21, 2018, 06:55:37 PM »
You would think so. I can't believe how public the details of this case are. It would have to put people off.

But we will still always make jokes are sex:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XfqlbFvGN8

and even rape jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigZ1fmwD-Q

Still a classic after all these years.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 21, 2018, 05:23:37 PM »
Imagine having every little detail about your sexual encounter recounted in public. Sexual positions, semen, oral sex, vaginal sex, who was or wasn't there and your Mother and Father having to listen to it all. It being poured over on social media, the news everything. Both the accused and accuser. These guys are fucked whatever happens. What went on in that bedroom will hang over them till the day they die.

As someone has said on here, details/identity of the complainant AND the accused should remain confidential until after the court case. I don't see any reason why this can't be the case? Most of the laws of court were established in a time when modern technology, social media especially, was not around. Every detail been reported, within seconds, of it been said in court is devastating for all involved and will hang over them forever.

It seems that the blokes are assumed guilty until proven innocent, hence their identities are public. Does this prevent other potential offenders from following the same path?

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:46:56 PM »
Rules of the plantation were that natives dropped Irish and carried out business in the invading tongue.

Seems like 400 years later the plantation is still an ongoing process.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:44:05 PM »
Anyone know what it is like to have your private parts discussed in such detail and across the airwaves?

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:04:58 AM »
There is a video circulating of 3 ulster players - Paddy, Tommy and another.

Could influence the jury :-/

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General discussion / Re: Arlene's bigotry shines through
« on: February 19, 2018, 09:13:02 PM »
You guys need to listen more to Ruth Dudley Edwards. I'll summarise for you:

1) Every Unionist is a saint, and bend over backwards to accommodate roman catholics
2) Roman catholic should appreciate the freedom they have in northern ireland
3) Gerry Adams is the devil incarnate
4) All Sinn Fein voters are numbskull sheep

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General discussion / Re: Ireland's most Loved person
« on: February 19, 2018, 10:40:55 AM »
Mick McCarthy

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General discussion / Re: Classic YouTube
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:50:53 PM »
Fanny Fairbottom, the act that inspired Les Dawson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM36LH5YPrU

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General discussion / Re: El Camino De Santiago
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:02:01 PM »
Gerry Kelly walks the Camino, Radio Six Counties/Ulster 12.30pm today if anyone is interested.

Still have a hankering to do it myself at some stage. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Get the bus to Portadown and walk back to Newry along the towpath. It will lift your soul.

I'd say that applies no matter how you leave Portadown.

Very good!

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General discussion / Re: El Camino De Santiago
« on: February 18, 2018, 12:54:38 PM »
Gerry Kelly is on Radio Ulster now, talking about the Camino.

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General discussion / Re: El Camino De Santiago
« on: February 18, 2018, 11:30:37 AM »
Gerry Kelly walks the Camino, Radio Six Counties/Ulster 12.30pm today if anyone is interested.

Still have a hankering to do it myself at some stage. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Get the bus to Portadown and walk back to Newry along the towpath. It will lift your soul. The idea of the Canal was first pitched by engineers working for king William as he marched down to the battle of the Boyne in 1689. The Canal was finished circa 1740.

That walk would tell you if you are ready for the Camino. I’d love to do it. Some people stay in hostels while others stay in hotels. The latter seems to be against the spirit of the walk.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 17, 2018, 01:10:08 PM »
I think he threw the question back at you, would you be as quick to judge your own son if he found himself in same position..

I don’t think you answerd though

I asked him.that..think he must have me ignored.  Regularly challenged and can't answer.

What is the point of the hypothetical questions?

Okay, if it was my son in the dock then I would be disappointed, and I would want proper justice to take place and if he went to prison then accept it but he is still my son.

Would I craic jokes about it? No.

Would I object if others craiced jokes about it? No.

Have I answered everyone’s questions?

Can someone explain exactly what I have done wrong?

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 16, 2018, 11:03:39 PM »
Probably a good time to close the thread....

Why?

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:30:59 PM »
Is there an age limit for GAA Board membership?

Wonder what 10 or 11 year old children make of all this content.

I’d be more interested in you responding to how you’d react if it was your daughter in the witness box and if you’d be so willing to demean her and make light of the situation.

Listen here Syferus son, you have issues.

Nice attempt to avoid the point. You told us enough about yourself with your silence so it doesn’t matter at this point.

I don't have a daughter.

Hey, my dad died a few years ago, yet I regularly craic jokes about his death and funeral. Am I a very very very bad person in Syferus's book?

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