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Applesisapples

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« Reply #5610 on: March 20, 2017, 04:43:21 PM »
Jeez people are awful hard on the Rugby guys. I enjoy Rugby because it gives a sense of unity to all parts of this country, except in the darkest TUV voting pockets. For a game that is at best third in a country with a population around the 7m mark we punch above our weights. When we give one in the eye to the AB's or England it matters not that the game is not going to change anything, I just rejoice in the moment. Neither do I lose too much sleep when we are defeated. So well done Ireland for now and lets see the 4 Proud Provinces well 3 1/2  give the Pro 12/Champions Cup a go, delete as appropriate.

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« Reply #5611 on: March 20, 2017, 04:52:12 PM »
Jeez people are awful hard on the Rugby guys. I enjoy Rugby because it gives a sense of unity to all parts of this country, except in the darkest TUV voting pockets. For a game that is at best third in a country with a population around the 7m mark we punch above our weights. When we give one in the eye to the AB's or England it matters not that the game is not going to change anything, I just rejoice in the moment. Neither do I lose too much sleep when we are defeated. So well done Ireland for now and lets see the 4 Proud Provinces well 3 1/2  give the Pro 12/Champions Cup a go, delete as appropriate.

I'd largely agree with you except for the bold bit. There are at best 9 good teams in the world and we are one of them. Not once in the world cup have we managed to get to the last 4. If that were to happen then you might be able to claim that we are punching above our weight but at the moment we are threading water at best. On the other hand our soccer team consistently punches above its weight with average players but then strangely gets criticised when they don't make a major tournament or get knocked out early. From some reason that I don't understand rugby escapes similar scrutiny.

Having said that any day we beat england at anything is a good day so well done.

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« Reply #5612 on: March 20, 2017, 05:10:28 PM »
Jeez people are awful hard on the Rugby guys. I enjoy Rugby because it gives a sense of unity to all parts of this country, except in the darkest TUV voting pockets. For a game that is at best third in a country with a population around the 7m mark we punch above our weights. When we give one in the eye to the AB's or England it matters not that the game is not going to change anything, I just rejoice in the moment. Neither do I lose too much sleep when we are defeated. So well done Ireland for now and lets see the 4 Proud Provinces well 3 1/2  give the Pro 12/Champions Cup a go, delete as appropriate.

I'd largely agree with you except for the bold bit. There are at best 9 good teams in the world and we are one of them. Not once in the world cup have we managed to get to the last 4. If that were to happen then you might be able to claim that we are punching above our weight but at the moment we are threading water at best. On the other hand our soccer team consistently punches above its weight with average players but then strangely gets criticised when they don't make a major tournament or get knocked out early. From some reason that I don't understand rugby escapes similar scrutiny.

Having said that any day we beat england at anything is a good day so well done.

It doesn't... just look back through the last few pages.

Journo's jumping all over it as well yes there has been an OTT reaction by some in the press but by and large anyone I spoke to and the team themselves seemed happy to beat England but realised it was an opportunity missed.

We still have a lot of positives to come over the next few years so there's some optimism but Ireland have a good chance to do well over the next while and certainly at the World Cup so why are so many sticking the boot in?!

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« Reply #5613 on: March 20, 2017, 05:54:43 PM »
I wasn't sticking the boot in, just struggling to reconcile the oft-stated opinion that Ireland are one of the best teams in Rugby with the fact they have NEVER won a knockout World Cup game, as well as the wild Irish celebrating after England won the Six Nations Title.

Still can't understand it and haven't received a satisfactory explanation tbh.

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« Reply #5614 on: March 20, 2017, 06:25:44 PM »
I wasn't sticking the boot in, just struggling to reconcile the oft-stated opinion that Ireland are one of the best teams in Rugby with the fact they have NEVER won a knockout World Cup game, as well as the wild Irish celebrating after England won the Six Nations Title.

Still can't understand it and haven't received a satisfactory explanation tbh.

As someone who has went to & watched these games since I was a Kid I can unreservedly say that Saturday was absolutely brilliant ... but here, if ye dont get it ye dont get it .. I'm glad to be one of those who do ...

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« Reply #5615 on: March 20, 2017, 10:37:55 PM »
Must be very confusing for 'irish' rugby fans when they hear GSTQ played in Dublin. Would be hard for them to resist the urge to sing along.

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« Reply #5616 on: March 20, 2017, 10:51:05 PM »
Why have you called them 'irish'?

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« Reply #5617 on: March 21, 2017, 07:02:56 AM »
Must be very confusing for 'irish' rugby fans when they hear GSTQ played in Dublin. Would be hard for them to resist the urge to sing along.
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« Reply #5618 on: March 21, 2017, 12:46:04 PM »
There should be a good few on the Lions tour. According to the Torygraph the Lions have only beaten NZ once on tour.
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« Reply #5619 on: March 21, 2017, 12:59:35 PM »

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« Reply #5620 on: March 21, 2017, 01:14:58 PM »
I realise Ireland's world cup history is poor but I still think Ireland are punching above their weight. Resources wise Ireland a long way behind NZ, Aus, SA, England & France so to beating many of these teams as often as they do surely indicates that their punching above their weight. I'm far from an expert on Rugby Union but Ireland appear to have a brilliant structure with the players only spread across 4 teams which appears to have certainly benefitted them rather than hindered.

I do think there is some sort of middle ground between those who get far too carried away with a win and those who are always talking down any sort of good result.




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« Reply #5621 on: March 21, 2017, 01:30:55 PM »
I realise Ireland's world cup history is poor but I still think Ireland are punching above their weight. Resources wise Ireland a long way behind NZ, Aus, SA, England & France so to beating many of these teams as often as they do surely indicates that their punching above their weight. I'm far from an expert on Rugby Union but Ireland appear to have a brilliant structure with the players only spread across 4 teams which appears to have certainly benefitted them rather than hindered.

I do think there is some sort of middle ground between those who get far too carried away with a win and those who are always talking down any sort of good result.

We'll agree to differ.

I will agree that we shouldn't draw comparisons with NZ, Aus, SA, England and France as that's not fair. I do think however that it is fair to compare the records of the next level of teams in the WC. We have never got beyond the quarters. We've never won a game of knock out rugby. Wales and Argentina have done so twice each and Scotland have done it once. Only when we achieve this relatively modest task can we talk about boxing above our weight.

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« Reply #5622 on: March 21, 2017, 01:57:45 PM »
Gerry not far away here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/gerry-thornley-predicts-his-british-and-irish-lions-starting-xv-1.3018100

Though I'm more excited about Irelands tour than the Lions!

Looking at his squad for the Lions highlights where Ireland are weak, back three and locks.

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« Reply #5623 on: March 21, 2017, 03:04:29 PM »
I realise Ireland's world cup history is poor but I still think Ireland are punching above their weight. Resources wise Ireland a long way behind NZ, Aus, SA, England & France so to beating many of these teams as often as they do surely indicates that their punching above their weight. I'm far from an expert on Rugby Union but Ireland appear to have a brilliant structure with the players only spread across 4 teams which appears to have certainly benefitted them rather than hindered.

I do think there is some sort of middle ground between those who get far too carried away with a win and those who are always talking down any sort of good result.

We'll agree to differ.

I will agree that we shouldn't draw comparisons with NZ, Aus, SA, England and France as that's not fair. I do think however that it is fair to compare the records of the next level of teams in the WC. We have never got beyond the quarters. We've never won a game of knock out rugby. Wales and Argentina have done so twice each and Scotland have done it once. Only when we achieve this relatively modest task can we talk about boxing above our weight.

The world cup isn't everything and in fairness Ireland have won all their games in their pool at both of the last 2 world cups so they've not completely failed at those world cups.  I agree that Ireland were hugely disappointing in the last 2 quarter finals and in turn missed out on 2 great opportunities to miss the world cup finals.

You're not taking into account that Ireland have become consistent in the 6 nations over the last 10 years and have finished top of the table 3 times in the last 9 championships.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #5624 on: March 21, 2017, 04:39:42 PM »
Taliking to an Ulster fan, he thought that Ulster don't get a fair shake when it comes to team selection. I don't know enough to comment. What do others think?