Author Topic: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm  (Read 5123 times)

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2017, 11:07:18 AM »

I dunno if the pessimism is warranted or not? The Mickey Harte thing though. Will/can a different manager change things much?
Would it not be fair to say that Tyrone players coming into senior would have been nurtured through colleges and underage county highly influenced by Harte's senior teams' approach. Harte has arguably had the biggest influence on how the game is played now nationally. So if he can't be successful with this Tyrone panel in an environment that he created, who can do better with them. Just asking?

There can't be anything different. The problem is much wider than the County team. It's the County as a whole that's the problem.
Everything from sending young people to development squads to club fixtures is destroying our ability to produce top players.
The old route of player development brought a much higher quality of player than we have now. This is a product of our success in the 00s. We stated to change an approach that worked.
Time to scrap all the crap and let the clubs produce players the way they always have.

Yes lets conduct a root and branch review of the entire football scene in Tyrone because our senior team lost a few games in Division 1 of the National League

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2017, 11:53:46 AM »
Were the black cards to Sludden and McGeary harsh? Will Sludden miss the Derry game as that is two black cards this season? Black card to Hughes in the Monaghan game was a bad call as well.

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2017, 12:12:39 PM »
Were the black cards to Sludden and McGeary harsh? Will Sludden miss the Derry game as that is two black cards this season? Black card to Hughes in the Monaghan game was a bad call as well.


The guys in Kerry Radio said both were absolutely ridiculous. Also said that Colm Cavanagh should have got one for an identical pull down after the Tyrone penalty.
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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2017, 02:24:31 PM »
Today result means little or nothing! Division One survival is the main thing. And nobody fancies playing Dublin on their own patch in the League Final in what probably will be a dry day. This will keep the fans in check, who were losing the run of themselves after drawing with Dublin. The real stuff starts in a few weeks. Results v Donegal, Mayo and Kerry won't matter a damn come summer.

You are right up to a certain degree but for the likes of Tyrone & Mayo the league was about finding a new player or two in a position where they are weak. I don't think either county have found those players.

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2017, 02:58:08 PM »
Today result means little or nothing! Division One survival is the main thing. And nobody fancies playing Dublin on their own patch in the League Final in what probably will be a dry day. This will keep the fans in check, who were losing the run of themselves after drawing with Dublin. The real stuff starts in a few weeks. Results v Donegal, Mayo and Kerry won't matter a damn come summer.

You are right up to a certain degree but for the likes of Tyrone & Mayo the league was about finding a new player or two in a position where they are weak. I don't think either county have found those players.

I don't think you find these players - they evolve!

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2017, 03:09:59 PM »
harte is a fraud. he won all irelands with exceptional players and had a master tactiction by his side in tony donnelly. he replaced donnelly with a moron called gavin devlin and between the 2 of them have been found out tactically and have managed to drag the good name of tyrone football through the dirt with their media bans, diving, sledging and all round anti football carry on. this is the culture they have created and the next man is going to have a hell of a job turning things around.

Herein lies the problem!!!  Are we satisfied that our minors and u21's are playing and being coached a brand of football that is awful to watch....Our U21's weren't able to score against Donegal in Ballybofey two weeks ago.  We set our senior team up with guys that are better defenders/ than scorers.  In the past we have Produced magical forwards - Canavan, Cush, Mulligan, O Neil, Cavlan, Mc Guigan - guys that were never subjected to being made stand in a line across the 45 and tackle like a dogs.  Good forwards with potential have been discarded - Coney for example - could we have managed him better??  He destroyed aidan o shea in a minor final in croker.  Lee Brennan is as good a forward in the county - why is he not being played?

Why in Kerry are they able to produce great forwards year after year - Gooch, then o Donoghue, then Geaney and now young Spillane at U21 level.  They have a crop of stuff coming and its because they are not beinmg coached this shitty defensive stuff.

Our defensive minded system is good to a last 8 - but not last 4.  We are producing players who's strongest attribute is not scoring - we haven't had a top forward since Stephen o Neill.  We have top class facilities - no expense has been spared but sadly we are moving down the rankings
   

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2017, 04:57:23 PM »
Was it just my telly or did some of the Tyrone players look a bit chunky?
As in, 'too much time in the gym' chunky.
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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2017, 05:59:18 PM »
Was it just my telly or did some of the Tyrone players look a bit chunky?
As in, 'too much time in the gym' chunky.

Hmmm... you may indeed have a point there.
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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2017, 06:04:06 PM »
Peter Harte in particular.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

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Re: Ciarraí vs Tír Eoghain, Fitzgerald Stadium, Killarney, April 2nd @2pm
« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2017, 08:35:46 PM »
Peter Harte in particular.

Good job Mattie Donnelly wasn't playing, he'd give Popeye a run for his money these days.
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