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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: March 20, 2017, 10:03:14 PM »
Folks i'm looking for a challenge game for U16 level (North Armagh) with a Div 1 team in Down...possibly in South/West of the County. If any of you have any contacts for any decent Division 1 team give me a PM...Thanks.
North/East don't exist.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: March 16, 2017, 07:52:33 PM »
 Is is it not time for another anniversary Dinner or other so as we can celebrate our glorious past?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: March 10, 2017, 07:52:29 AM »
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.

There'll be no hiding places any more if the detailed Annual financial statements (signed) are shared with the clubs a week before the County congress to allow them to be dissected by the clubs in advance of the congress.

That needs to happen.

There was very little details on the last one I saw just generic terms like team expenses and so forth. Those things need broken down a lot more.
   Like that will happen in the same way as each Club produces Accounts every year with similar terminology and indeed in much the same way that the Accounts are numbered and collected very quickly afterwards such as Senior Team Training costs 8k when in fact it should say "journeyman Manager' gets 50 pound per night.Move on and accept the fact that it is the Clubs of Down who are Down and it is them in conjunction with the County Board that sorts this all out finally.

Our club doesn't.
We bring the club accountant and they along with the treasurer take questions about the financial statements which members can get on soft copy or hard copy in advance of the meeting taking place as per the rules governing social clubs and so forth.
Does Club Maith not cover this as well?
  Your Club may not but the majority do pay Managers and my point remains in that WE need this sorted and it is US and THEM(County Board) that will have to do it.

Paying managers and so forth is only part of it.

What else is covered in these large pots of expenditure that we're not meant to know anything about?

It's all too easy to allow mismanagement of the counties finances if they're not properly scrutinised on a yearly basis by the clubs who end up picking up the tab anyway.
   You seemed to have killed the conversation there johnny.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: February 25, 2017, 01:39:18 AM »
 Best of luck against Meath.We've always beat them when it matters.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: February 14, 2017, 01:55:51 AM »
 From the gospel that is the Irish News,Cahir has done his homework on this article,plenty of what must be insider info; I read the Irish News Stateside every night after the children go to bed.Down should enter the Connaught Championship and play us once a year.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: February 11, 2017, 08:46:03 AM »
Would a players strike be frowned upon?
  The Management team to go strike would suit all concerned but we have to hope tomorrow's result may go our way.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: June 30, 2016, 09:52:17 PM »
To all the nodding dogs , the puppets and the supporters of the Burrenbridge brigade, this is my suggestion of the way forward with our finances because if we can sort this subject out we maybe able to pay our bills on time and every time and propress the notion of a centre of excellence.
Firstly to take a step forward we have to realise where we are and why we got here.
When the Burrenbridge brigade decided to go of on a solo without the backing of the full county board and the support of Croke Park (this is key),they acted as if they were property moguls which they certainly werent and their inexperience in dealing with this type of deal ultimately lead us to losing 550k, coupled with the fact that 2 possibly 3 of them had failed in business, therefore in all probability they were never going to succeed, they were well intentioned but clueless .
But where you are now asking did the other 1million of debt come from, ah for that answer you would need a forensic accountant to examine the finances of Pairc Esler , i for one like many others paid a monthly amount for 5 yrs, no big deal but there were many who questioned where this money and the money of the club down then went, im not suggesting any skull duggery but more of mis management of resources.
So the men in charge suddenly needed a few bob to finish the job, in steps Croke Park and hey presto we get the job done, oh and Newry Shamrocks own the fecking thing, side issue.
Now back to Burrenbridge where we handed over a non refundable deposit of 425k ,and then threw125k in fees at it,back to Croke Park who knew nothing of what was going on and were not a bit pleased, so much so that we now pay 10k a month for the next 20yrs to Croke Park, but according to Sean og i mmean the executive we have a good deal, eh no we dont by my maths we will be paying 2.4miliion back how the f  k is that a good deal, our association made 56million profit  last year,so the answer is quite simple we as members ask for the loan to be interest free , we extend the term to 100yrs , paying 15k back a year not 120k , we can then begin to invest in our youth,and our training facilities and breathe a little.Now to succeed in a debt restructuring like this we need hard nosed business people skilled in the art of restructuring debt.
I know there are people reading this saying 100yrs catch yourself on but if we went to Croke park and told them this is it take it or leave, they cant kick us out, its either give us the money or accept the request , so there you have it.
   Some good points there,would Croke Park buy that and indeed would Down push this?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: June 14, 2016, 09:02:16 AM »
Are this week's games starred?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: June 06, 2016, 11:18:33 AM »
A lot of the problems we encounter are similar to a lot of counties throughout the country. Meath, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Galway, Cork, Offaly and plenty others are experiencing similar challenges to us. Ive said it before but when Pat OHare passed away some years ago, his loss was huge to football in down. He had a vision and a passion  and the organisational skills to set in place structures to benefit the next generation coming through.

Couldn't agree more.
 Our 90s successes were strongly influened by Pat's player development , and in 1994 his coaching. Also players from families involved in the 60s successes ,eg Mccartans , Blaneys , Kane, Carr etc had the belief and workrate required for success. Allied to other factors such as the strength of Club football at that time eg Burren, Loughinisland , RGU etc,  we had a lot of ingredients contributing to success.

The GAA is under pressure in several counties as highlighted above, and the GAA centrally appears to be sleepwalking into a crisis. Most recent rule changes have hit rural clubs hardest, and these clubs are our lifeblood.
As discussed above, the top heavy , over democratic decision making process in the GAA, has not served us well as even the best ideas struggle to get through.
The reality is however that if we can be innovative and organised around developing players and structures, we can reach the top table again . Unfortunately this takes time
   Agreed 6th but who is going to start this off? Is your delegate to the County Board innovative and organised about developing Coaching?I know our one isn't.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 30, 2016, 09:27:30 PM »
Minors just not good enough on the day,started slow, playing catch up , couldn't quite do it. We can be negative but I would rather take the positives because there are plenty, we now have a good management set up , a lot of the current minor players are available next year but as stated on this forum by several contributors, we have to get the school structures right, the right county coaches in place or the same coaches with a different level of commitment and that lads is the key , commitment , to a level not seen in this county before, I listened to the greatest coach/manager of all time and that was the one thing he sought in his players,commitment total and utter no halfway houses , if we get it from an early age right through to senior level from all concerned from the girl in the county office to the lad pulling on the red and black we will get back to where we should be, and one other thing ditch the notion we are second class, the same coach told me his ideas were founded on how Down played, we have lost our way but i am now more convinced than ever we will be back, now to the next event ,An Dun Abu keep the faith
And that it's all sorted now.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 18, 2016, 05:52:30 PM »
Poacher at U17,Benny at U16. Who is helping them at these age groups and who is in charge at u15?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 09, 2016, 10:39:18 AM »
Instead of lamenting the loss of Gordon,laverty,benny etc could we not bring in some players who might offer us something going forward in the next ten years?it might be a step backwards to go two forwards,but it would be better than just constantly coming up short.
Any suggestions as to these players might be EDG?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 07, 2016, 02:53:16 PM »
 At least there seems to be plenty of varting results with no one walking away at the top of Div's 1&2.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: April 28, 2016, 08:19:53 PM »
Wouldn't say strange,St John's at home are very capable of pulling off a win against a good few teams in that division.
Well it's the first in three attempts this season.
Humble pie here,St Johns3-09 Liatroim 1-07

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: April 25, 2016, 09:38:15 PM »
Div 1- for  me kilcoo best team in the county again this year. Agree with others that league not their priority and could be one of Burren, bryansford or the bridge to make the title theirs. Think ballymartin and longstone the sides most in danger of relegation.

Div 2- rostrevor and one of rgu or loughinisland to get promoted. St. John's to get relegated alongside one of Darragh Cross, Bredagh or Carryduff.

Div 3- Saul and Bosco to get promoted. Kilclief and dromara or teconnaught to bring up the rear

Div 4- dundrum and aughlisnafin to get promoted

Looking forward to a good year of club football in this county. Good start from clonduff last night!
  Contradicting yourself a bit tonight!You previously had St Johns done as a cert for relegation

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