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Title: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 04:58:31 PM
Have started this one to complement the Tyrone Club Football and Hurling thread  ;)

So, we need a point from the Mayo game to guarantee Division One survival -- any word on any of the injuries from last night's game against Kerry?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 04:59:17 PM
Be prepared for a back lash
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
Be prepared for a back lash

From whom?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 05:05:45 PM
Non-Tyrone people
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 05:07:13 PM
I'll take my chances Ziggy, they don't have to read it!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 01, 2007, 05:08:14 PM
Don't say you weren't warned ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
Don't say you weren't warned ;)

I'm braced!  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: An Fear Rua on April 01, 2007, 05:35:47 PM
How many sendings off so far this year?? There must be something in the rocwell
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 07:07:15 PM
Still OK Ziggy  ;)

Now that we have reached the ultimate stage of the NFL, after the highs of the beginning, and the depths of the middle, it would seem that the footballers have turned something of a corner in that things are looking a lot less blacker than they were just a few weeks ago.

The Positives


Concerns

Unknowns (still)

Possibles (though probably not this year)

Fair assessment?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fionntamhnach on April 02, 2007, 07:21:10 PM
Aidan McCarron is still on the panel, was speaking to him today. Says the panel has been cut now to 38.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on April 02, 2007, 07:22:31 PM
Fairly close to the mark.

Only alterations / additions:

Positives
Mulgrew starting to look the part of CHF understudy
Sean Cavanagh still looking the best offensive MF in Ireland
Some deadwood off the panel

Negatives
P Donnelly's continuing place on the team / panel - 1 reasonable game does not a county player make
MH Still messin around with Joe McMahon - put him at FB and leave him there
Packies lack of brains at Kick outs - how many times to Dara O'De?????
Kelvin Hughes - not up to scratch
Lack of a decent CHF option (a year and 2 stone too early for Mulgrew)
Lack of forward cohesion
Myth of the production line still being exposed
u-21s
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 07:23:12 PM
Aidan McCarron is still on the panel, was speaking to him today. Says the panel has been cut now to 38.

Apologies Fionntamhnach, have just remembered him, and definitely worth his place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 02, 2007, 08:39:38 PM
Still OK Ziggy  ;)

I guess I over-reacted. I apologise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on April 02, 2007, 08:52:02 PM
What a needless thread Strath Ban! Have you nothing else to do than open unwanted threads ??? :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 02, 2007, 09:01:25 PM
What a needless thread Strath Ban! Have you nothing else to do that open unwanted threads ??? :-\

Well, if it's needless, it'll fall through into natural disuse and disappear.
Not appropriate to put county stuff on the club thread, and excessive to start a new one for each bit of news (unless old games are resurrected each time). QED. :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on April 02, 2007, 09:05:43 PM
I hate to say I told you so....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2007, 07:46:44 AM
I hate to say I told you so....

That you did Ziggy, an unforgiving bunch here  ;)
Let this fade into obscurity if we don't want or need it, genuinely thought it may have filled a void, no big deal...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 04, 2010, 11:59:20 PM

That you did Ziggy, an unforgiving bunch here  ;)
Let this fade into obscurity if we don't want or need it, genuinely thought it may have filled a void, no big deal...

Perhaps it's time to revive Fear's thread, there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to discuss the county team. An interesting few months are ahead with a number of changes on the panel surely? I think we have to look back on the last two seasons as missed opportunities. The Kerry and Cork sides who won the titles were deserving champions but not exceptional and given Tyrone looked on paper at least stronger than 2008 the manner in which they were knocked out is disappointing. The team this year showed (in Ulster at least) the ability to totally shut down the opponent and nullify their threat but unlike previous seasons this seemed to be somewhat at the expense of our own scoring threat. The forward line needs to be looked at and I would like to see somebody given a proper run at CHF to play the role fulfilled by Brian McGuigan in 2003 and 2005 and Colm McCullagh in 2008.

Has anybody heard anything on retirals? It would seem likely we will lose at least a couple of the stalwarts of the past decade. I wonder about Dooher and Ricey and perhaps even some of the class of 97/98.

Similarly though we will hopefully see a few of the 2008 boys coming onto the panel and making a real impact. Peter Harte and Coney are already there and need to kick on over the next few months. The likes of Tierney, McNab and Donnelly will also hopefully get a chance. The 2004 team hasnt provided as many players as we would have hoped but Aidan Cassidy can hopefully stay clear  of injury and nail down his place as he has threatened over the past couple of league seasons. McCaul is another who deserves some good fortune and he might yet establish himself if he stays fit. Is it too late for Mulgrew now? If he stays on the panel I would like to see him given a real run through the McKenna and the league and see if it brings him on. No point in him spending another season on the fringes of it.

A crucial year ahead and if Mickey can get some of the best youngsters through whilst a few of the older experienced heads are still playing we could have a very nice blend.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 05, 2010, 07:55:57 AM
Agreed however the management has made 2 years of making the same misatakes and bluffing about integrating the youth.  The first sign of madness is making the same misatkes and hoping for a different result.  I doubt that Mickey is capable of trusting new players and giving them championship game time until they bed down - Its just in his nature.  He has achieved so much with his own players hes blind to some very pertinent facts about their ability to deliver in Croke Park.  Its totally understandable. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on October 05, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
Agreed however the management has made 2 years of making the same misatakes and bluffing about integrating the youth.  The first sign of madness is making the same misatkes and hoping for a different result.  I doubt that Mickey is capable of trusting new players and giving them championship game time until they bed down - Its just in his nature.  He has achieved so much with his own players hes blind to some very pertinent facts about their ability to deliver in Croke Park.  Its totally understandable.

Agree 100%.  How do we go forward and change though?  Will MH change his approach or not?  What is the alternatives?

I have been living outside the County for a few years now, therefore I am not completely up to speed with the personnel available within the county.  I suppose what I am getting at is who are the players that could potentially make a difference that currently are not involved?  We need scoring forwards with pace and the right attitude, who are the best in the County coming through?  How good is Daisy McDermott, Gareth Devlin or Kyle Coney?  What about recent Under 21 stars, namely Finbar Magill or Johnny Lafferty?  Whatever happened to underage star Ronan McCrory?

I honestly don't believe for one minute that in Tyrone we do not have a few big men who can field a ball and play a bit too, who are the realistic contenders to help with the midfield issue?  I have heard names mentioned before (i.e. McConville, Rouse, Ronan Lafferty), but what is the general concencus on these and the other contenders?

A general question I have, who is the best talent coming through the underage ranks at the minute?  Apart from the obvious standout minors, are there any real superstars in the making around the county at 16, 17 years of age?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on November 19, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: gerry on November 19, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
Just seen that, can not see mccullagh changing his mind again.  More to follow i guess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrones own on November 25, 2010, 01:37:51 AM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on November 25, 2010, 01:39:53 AM
I hear from RTE.ie, Ryan Mellon and Colm McCullagh have quit inter-county football.
Sure didn't I tell ye that 6 weeks ago  :-\

You guessed just :p
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 20, 2010, 12:21:30 AM
From the hoganstand.com:

Brian Dooher will captain Tyrone for an eighth consecutive year in 2011.

Manager Mickey Harte has confirmed that the Clan na nGael clubman will retain the role next season, despite the fact that he will be 36 by time the championship is over. Dooher has been Tyrone's most successful captain ever, skippering them to All-Ireland titles in 2005 and '08. He also captained them to an Ulster championship in the season just past.

 
"Brian has been one of the greatest servants this county has had," Harte said.

Dooher will miss the Dr McKenna Cup in January but is expected to return during the National League campaign.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on January 15, 2011, 11:06:01 AM
what date is the tyrone  v monaghan game?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on January 15, 2011, 03:42:36 PM
5th June
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Celt_Man on February 28, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redcard on February 28, 2011, 08:28:14 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=castlederg&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.071054,28.256836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Castlederg,+County+Tyrone,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.708805,-7.598162&spn=0.010562,0.027595&z=15&layer=c&cbll=54.708885,-7.598179&panoid=PL0GdoYUqRQzwnEhd_D1fw&cbp=12,167.54,,0,5.42


STRAIGHT DOWN THE END OF THAT ROAD I THINK

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 28, 2011, 08:33:06 PM
Lads, looking for directions to Castlederg GAA pitch.  If word on the street is correct, the local school are playing up there tomorrow afternoon so want to know where I'm going!!

Do you know how to get to Castlederg?

The pitch is just outside the town centre. The town is fairly small so you'll have little bother finding it. There are really 3 roads in, the Castlegore Rd, Drumquin rd or the Strabane rd depending on what way you make your way North.

Once you're in the Derg you'll have little bother finding the pitch. Basically go through the town centre/ diamond and head for the Killeter Rd, and it's about 100 yards out there behind some houses. I think the houses have a sign outside saying 'Ashburn Park'.

http://maps.google.com/maps?&daddr=(54.707378,%20-7.598922)&z=9 (http://maps.google.com/maps?&daddr=(54.707378,%20-7.598922)&z=9)


Any questions or problems gimme a shout. You can get it on google street view as well.

Edit: I think red card is right. It's the turn in before Ashburn Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Celt_Man on March 01, 2011, 03:40:45 AM
Cheers lads.  Much appreciated
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fíor Gael on March 03, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
Lads where is Philip Jordan this year? He's on my fantasy football team and hasnt made an appearance yet!!! What's the story?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on March 10, 2011, 06:49:31 AM
Are Harry og and C Grugan on the u21 panel this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: up tyrone on March 10, 2011, 10:11:13 PM
Lads where is Philip Jordan this year? He's on my fantasy football team and hasnt made an appearance yet!!! What's the story?
Will be back for the last 2 nfl games recovering from serious hip trouble.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 10, 2011, 10:39:25 PM
Are Harry og and C Grugan on the u21 panel this year?

They definately weren't on the initial panel, havent heard if they were called up since. On paper should have a strong forward line. Could be something like this:
Gervin
Harte
Coney
McNeice
Donnelly
O'Neill
I would guess though that Harte may be used at centre half back. Also not sure if Gervin has recoverd from injury.



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyrone86 on March 11, 2011, 12:58:59 AM
Gervin the elder is definitely out for next Wednesday, but by all accounts John McCullagh is absolutely flying and, apart from O'Neill, will probably be the only of last years Minors to be in contention for a start. Harry og and a few others are unavailable as St Pat's are still in the MacRory.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 26, 2011, 01:00:36 AM
History has been made in Tyrone gaelic games with the confirmation of a major sponsorship deal between Target Express and the Tyrone Ladies GFA, leaving Target now as the sponsors of all ladies inter county teams, the men’s adult and underage teams, as well as  the hurlers and handballers of the county, making their link up with the ladies a virtual closed circle of support for Tyrone gaelic games, unprecedented in gaelic games circles.

The sponsorship agreement that also involves kit supplier O’Neill’s International will see all Tyrone Ladies teams from U14 to Senior wearing a new style jersey emblazoned with the Target Express livery.  Speaking at the launch at the superb Beragh Red Knights complex on Friday county Ladies Chairman Martin Conway expressed his delight at the deal and explained the reasons behind the design, “The new jersey retains the “classic” Tyrone GAA design as used by the current Men’s teams and incorporates both the Tyrone Ladies GFA and the new Ladies Gaelic Football Association logos.  It was felt that keeping the design the same as the Men’s teams would help encourage the view of Tyrone as being one GAA family as we strive for increased integration of our games.. As well, both the Ladies County Board and the McBrien family owners of Target Express are conscious of the financial pressures that families are under and this will minimise the need for totally different shirts and leisure wear when supporting all the County teams”.

Tyrone’s ladies county board worked closely with Ciaran McLaughlin, the Tyrone county Chair, to seal the deal with the McBrien family while Kieran Kennedy of O’Neill’s international sportswear  was a massive help in getting the design just right. Ladies Chair Mr Conway heaped praise on those involved,  “The support and assistance of Ciaran McLaughlin has been tremendous while  Kieran Kennedy’s commitment to the GAA in Tyrone can’t be over emphasised, we can really have “one identity”  in our gaelic games family in Tyrone now. Targets support is superb and eases the financial strain of fielding our county sides in leagues and championships in the coming years”
Target Express director Paul McBrien was delighted to be involved now with almost all aspects of gaelic games in Tyrone, “ We made a commitment last year to Tyrone and I am delighted that in the past six months we have added the handballers and now the ladies GFA in the county, the GAA family in the O’Neill county is strong and I hope our contribution can help Tyrone ,at all levels achieve the highest honours available, the senior ladies went close last year, we hope that all Ireland “Target” can be achieved this year”

The kit supplied by O’Neills, who is of course a major employer in the Strabane area, is produced locally by local people, Kieran Kennedy also happy to be involved, “ We are delighted to play our part in this relationship with the Tyrone Ladies GFA, we are a local company with strong community links and that includes men, women, boys and girls, its natural for us to be involved with all aspects of gaelic games in the county”

http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/03/ladies-seal-new-deal/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2011/03/ladies-seal-new-deal/)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2011, 09:48:25 AM
This thread has been quiet for a long time.

With all the chat of poor attendances at most of the games so far, are many expected in Omagh for Sunday week?
Is it all ticket?

Has Tommy Freeman gone to the States or not?

Interesting to hear that Dooher is leading the way again in the fitness bleep tests.
He might not be as influential as he used to be but he certainly sets the bar for a lot of the squad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 12:03:10 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2011, 12:08:11 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\

How many of the 17 wides did he shoot ?

That's the principle reason why Tyrone lost last year. The shooting boots were left behind.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 26, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
And that bit of luck you need was missing all day

Penrose has two great goal chances and scores none.
His one of the post goes wide

They hit the post for a point. Ball comes down and lands in O'Gara's hands and he can't miss from 6 yards.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on May 26, 2011, 12:32:04 PM
And that bit of luck you need was missing all day

Penrose has two great goal chances and scores none.
His one of the post goes wide

They hit the post for a point. Ball comes down and lands in O'Gara's hands and he can't miss from 6 yards.
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That was part of it as well - when it rains, it pours -  usually he can miss from 6 yards but not on that occasion.  :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
He was winning the beeb tests this time last year but was one of the main reasons we lost ahainst Dublin in the quarters. His time has gone I doubt. :-\

How many of the 17 wides did he shoot ?

That's the principle reason why Tyrone lost last year. The shooting boots were left behind.

Don't know how many he shot but his usual link play and running game was absent that day. I don't know how Mickey watched him for so long. On another day some of the wides would have went over but Dooher would still have looked poor. He was a great servent but his time has gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Cde on May 26, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
Dont agree with that EC. Maybe his time to play the whole match may be passed but I believe he would still be very effective if he was introduced for the last 15 min of a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 26, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
Dont agree with that EC. Maybe his time to play the whole match may be passed but I believe he would still be very effective if he was introduced for the last 15 min of a game.

Yes fair point. He is still a good enough squad member with a possible roll as an impact sub but def shoud not start games IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on June 02, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
Folks I was just wondering how many times have Tyrone met Dublin in the championship and what is the win loss ratio

From my memory & the help of wiki

2010 Dublin won 1/4 final 1.15 - 0.13
2008 Tyrone won semi final 3.14 - 1.08
2005 Tyrone won replay 2.18 - 1.14
1995 Dublin won 1.10 - 0.12
1984 Dublin won 2.11 - 0.08

Am I missing any?
Were there other meetings before this?
I think it was Galway, Louth and Cork who knocked us out in the earlier years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on June 02, 2011, 04:29:03 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on June 02, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 02, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?

Who beat Down in the final then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 02, 2011, 09:00:42 PM
05 and 08 were both quarter finals.

Wasn't 2010 the semi final?

Down and the Dubs both beat Kerry and Tyrone on AIQF day in 2010.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 09, 2011, 12:12:36 PM
Anyone have strong feelings about potential county lads (in any club) that haven't been given a chance at that (Senior) level yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: snippets on August 20, 2011, 12:44:19 PM
Ronan O Neill needs looked at and maybe this championship campaign will illustrate why. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 22, 2011, 01:08:23 PM
Ciarán Girvan, and maybe Johnny Lafferty of Urney too (he must be good if a Sigersons bod is recommending him!  ;))!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on September 18, 2011, 05:00:35 PM
since the mauling they got from kerry in 09, dublin have rebuilt and won an ai in 2 years. tyrone with the right approach can do it in 1 season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on September 19, 2011, 08:23:32 AM
since the mauling they got from kerry in 09, dublin have rebuilt and won an ai in 2 years. tyrone with the right approach can do it in 1 season.

Since the mauling they got from Meath in 2010, they have won the All Ireland in little over a year later.  With the talent in the County, you would imagine that Tyrone could turn it around also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on October 21, 2011, 05:47:56 PM
See the NFL fixtures are out.3 of the home games on Saturday nights.
4 Feb Kildare A
11 Feb Derry H
4 Mar Louth A
10 Mar W'meath H
18 Mar Galway A
24 Mar Meath H
8 Apr Monaghan H
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 22, 2011, 10:39:26 AM
St Paddys rip over the weekend in Galway then...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 28, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
We (TAD.ie) had an event with the Dublin Lord Mayor on Saturday night which we presented him with one of those Cian Corrigan half Dublin hald Tyrone jerseys.
Our chairman and well known figure on here told him how the jersey might be useful to him this Sept.

In 2003         Tyrone won their      1st   AI beating Armagh the reigning AI champions
2 years later Tyrone won their      2nd  AI beating Kerry, the reigning AI champions
3 years later Tyrone won their      3rd  AI beating Kerry,  the reigning AI champions
4 years later Tyrone will win their 4th  AI beating Dublin,  the reigning AI champions

Does anyone know has the throw in times been decided yet for the Ulster Championship?
I see its on the same day as the Rep of Ireland's first Euro 2012 game with Croatia.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on March 11, 2012, 01:34:29 AM
Minors 2pm , Seniors 4pm , live tv coverage for senior game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 11, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
Minors 2pm , Seniors 4pm , live tv coverage for senior game.

Cheers KIDDO. Was wondering the times myself.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: KIDDO 4 on March 16, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
MacCumhails  1.8 Strabane 0.8 full time in Ulster intermediate  league semi final  tonight in Ballybofey.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 21, 2012, 09:41:44 AM
Any word on Mugsy's injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 21, 2012, 01:09:46 PM
I heard Petey Harte was left badly concussed after yesterdays game also. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: year til sunday on July 22, 2012, 11:04:14 AM
after yesterdays disappointing defeat to Kerry I can't help but feel a few mistakes in team selection were made. I can't understand how McCurry goes from joining the panel 6 weeks ago, to 4 points late on v Roscommon, to starting v Kerry in Killarney. What the lad did against the Rossies was no doubt impressive but surely highlighted the need to use him as an impact sub rather than starter, wasn't that going to be the role of Ronan O'Neill this year anyway prior to injury?

I didn't believe even before the Armagh game that the McMahon/Cavanagh combo at midfield would work; and for that day at least it did, but it was taken to pieces both against Donegal and Kerry. What I am confused about though was while both players were keen to get forward and attempt to get on the scoresheet there was less emphasis on breaking even around the middle and winning the break ball - instead Tyrone were happy to accept kick-out possession on their own 21 and build from there; a very inefficient way of playing the game at this level.

Tyrone's injury record of late is something of concern. I'm not sure of the reason for McCarron's absence but McNabb and Justin McMahon have been on the rocks all year with niggles and I wonder if playing injured in club games between Tyrone games is hampering these lads. McMahon missed the League Final this year due to injury but had played FF for Omagh the week before in a League game and only lasted until half time, surely the player and club management could have avoided that happening, after all Omagh will need him fit for their games also! One report this week had McMahon training on an anti-gravity treadmill to assist rehab, I think at that rate, and with his injury history over the last 18 months the medical team need to be asking serious questions!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on July 22, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
Is Raymie Mulgrew still in Oz? Very good player, never really got a chance with Tyrone seniors
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 11, 2012, 09:43:11 AM
ALLIANZ NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 03 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Down v Tyrone

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 10 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Mayo v Tyrone

SUNDAY, MARCH 03 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Tyrone v Donegal

SUNDAY, MARCH 10 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Tyrone v Cork (2.30).

SATURDAY, MARCH 16 (7.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Dublin v Tyrone

SUNDAY, MARCH 24 (2.00 unless stated)
Div 1: Kildare v Tyrone (2.30).

SUNDAY, APRIL 07 (3.00 unless stated).
Div 1: Tyrone v Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Haven't looked in here for ages so was interesting to read year til sunday's post after the Kerry game this year one more time.

Now that the leagues & championships are drawing to a close how do our county squad players look like they're shaping up for the upcoming new year?

How did young McCurry do for his club this year and have we any other new kids on the block to watch out for?
Will young Clarke become a regular in defence next year?

If you had to pick your team to start away to Down now who would you be going for, assuming all injuries are cleared up?
Will Ronan O'Neill & Kyle Coney be our new white hopes in 2013?
Hard to believe it will be 10 years since we first won it.

If I had to pick a team I'd be looking at this

Packie
McCrory
Clarke
McCaul
McCarron
Joey
Sean O'Neill
Sean Cavanagh
Cassidy/Justy
Colm Cava
M.Donnelly
Penrose
Ronan O'Neill
Stephen O'Neill -  I wonder how many of ye would drop Stevie this year?
Kyle Coney

Yes I'm aware I've left out Block, Mugsy & McNabb
Am I missing any other big names or new hot shots like McCurry?
Wonder would it be worth trying Colm Cavanagh back into FF if Mickey would release Justy from FB to MF. I get the feeling though that if Justy is fit he'll always play him at FB.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 06, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
Well Fuzz

I believe an annoucement on a new squad & also a new sponsor will be made by the county board fairly soon, likely towards the end of the week

Only speculation at this stage (before I get shouted at) but I believe that Coalislands Louis O'Neill & Plunkett Kane both got called up. However how experimental the squad is for the McKenna Cup we'll have to wait and see, as thats all I am aware of at the moment.

I think we will have a bit more food for thought towards the end of the week though.

Havnt seen as much of the club championships this year due to working in England but id like to see Connor McAliskey, Conan Grugan & Niall Sludden given an opportunity in January.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 06, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
What age is Plunkett Kane? Seems to have done well for Coalisland for a few years now. McCurry has did well for Edendork all year and I'm sure will hold his place in the squad. Grugan and Sludden could be worth looking at to. Once Errigal go out he may consider a couple of them as well (maybe Canavan though could be too soon).

 If I was Harte I would be begging Enda McGinley to come back. He's back fit and in good form. He's exactly what Tyrone need around the middle and could be a great partner for Sean Cavanagh. That would allow Colm Cavanagh and Joe McMahon to take up the half forward slots and would leave the team a bit more able to compete physically. Before anyone says it would be a step back because of his age, I don't care what age he is - I want the best 15 players on the pitch for Tyrone next year whether they're 19 or 34.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 06, 2012, 01:55:13 PM
Haven't looked in here for ages so was interesting to read year til sunday's post after the Kerry game this year one more time.

Now that the leagues & championships are drawing to a close how do our county squad players look like they're shaping up for the upcoming new year?

How did young McCurry do for his club this year and have we any other new kids on the block to watch out for?
Will young Clarke become a regular in defence next year?

If you had to pick your team to start away to Down now who would you be going for, assuming all injuries are cleared up?
Will Ronan O'Neill & Kyle Coney be our new white hopes in 2013?
Hard to believe it will be 10 years since we first won it.

If I had to pick a team I'd be looking at this

Packie
McCrory
Clarke
McCaul
McCarron
Joey
Sean O'Neill
Sean Cavanagh
Cassidy/Justy
Colm Cava
M.Donnelly
Penrose
Ronan O'Neill
Stephen O'Neill -  I wonder how many of ye would drop Stevie this year?
Kyle Coney

Yes I'm aware I've left out Block, Mugsy & McNabb
Am I missing any other big names or new hot shots like McCurry?
Wonder would it be worth trying Colm Cavanagh back into FF if Mickey would release Justy from FB to MF. I get the feeling though that if Justy is fit he'll always play him at FB.

You have also left out Harte who has been in fantastic form for Errigal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Yeah Davey and Enda crossed my mind but I suppose both looked like they had retired last year or was Davey in the squad for the latter games of the summer.

Interesting to read how well Penrose did last Sat night and with the addition of Coney, O'Neill, McCurry to Penrose and Donnelly, we could actually have a very pacey talented forward line.

Do the rest of ye see Clarke as our future FB?
Will Justy be hamstrung again all next year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Stall the Bailer on November 06, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
You also left out Peter Harte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
Ouch!!!

That's a biggie alright.
In fairness I'm dying with a cold and was up half the night with sick kids.  :(

I know its still not the end of 2012 yet but I am actually excited again looking forward to a fresh new team. We gave Donegal a hell of a game last year playing them at their own game.

My Dub mates down here are already looking forward to Sat 16th March. I'd say they'll miss Ricey.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on November 06, 2012, 04:00:34 PM
Is there not a series of trials over the next 3 Wednesday's? So I don't think any McKenna cup squad has been finalised as yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 07, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
You also left out Peter Harte

 ;D ;D That is the one I was referring to also.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 07, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
Great to see the 'Horse' Devlin enlisted (or was it cashiered?  ;))!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 08, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
It will be interesting to see what sort of impact if any Horse will have.
Sounds like he's well respected by Mickey anyway but I always wonder how much Mickey listens to Donnelly & Co.

Remind me who's that lad on page 3 of the Gaelic Life today? He played v Kerry the last day in defence. Are we expecting great things from him this year? Was a strange game for Mickey to give him a run in I thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 08, 2012, 03:13:55 PM
havnt seen todays Gaelic Life... sounds like your describing Ronan McNamee though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 08, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
yeah thats who its is
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Antrim Coaster on November 09, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
The Return of Datsun Donaghy

http://vimeo.com/52865032
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 27, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
Any word on how the trials went? Any new call-ups for the 2013 season?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 27, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
Omagh's Conan Grugan has been called up for the coming year, for one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on November 27, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/11/27/exclusive-tyrone-boss-harte-wields-the-axe/

Quote
TYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.

A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.

Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.

The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O’Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.

The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda’s pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal’s Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary’s defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart’s Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.

By my reckoning that's no Dromore players left, one Coalisland and one Clonoe...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 27, 2012, 09:39:20 PM
Couldn't see some of those listed as dropped completely,maybe not involved in McKenna cup..oneill for one is too good, seen him for dromore a few times & was excellent..also not sure about some of the new lads being up to county senior standard !!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 28, 2012, 10:32:57 AM
http://www.gaeliclife.com/2012/11/27/exclusive-tyrone-boss-harte-wields-the-axe/

Quote
TYRONE boss Mickey Harte has axed a dozen of his Red Hand senior squad ahead of the 2013 campaign, including a number of household names.

A host of seasoned stars have been culled from the squad in what is the most dramatic shake-up the panel has seen since their 2008 All-Ireland win.

Gaelic Life understands that those considered to be surplus to requirements include Brian McGuigan and Owen Mulligan, while Errigal duo John Devine and Davy Harte have also been excluded from the 2013 plans.

The axe has also fallen on Dromore defensive pair Cathal McCarron and Sean O’Neill, midfielders Aidan Cassidy and Niall McKenna, defenders Damian McCaul and Stephen McNally, as well as attackers Peter Hughes and Ciaran Gervin.

The new-look Tyrone squad will gather for their first team meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday), and is expected to include Omagh St Enda’s pair Conan Grugan and Barry Tierney, Errigal’s Ciaran McGinley, Strabane and St Mary’s defender Danny McBride, Newtownstewart’s Kevin Gallagher, Clonoe attacker Conor McAliskey, and Kildress full-back Dean McNally.

By my reckoning that's no Dromore players left, one Coalisland and one Clonoe...

Cathal McCarron and Ronan Mc Nabb are still part of the set up and im pretty sure young Sludden will be called into the squad this year. So there will still be Dromore representation, need to think before you speak.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 28, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
journalists love scoops especially at this time of year its only mc kenna cup panel some of those left out will be playing for colleges they attend
egeseges they are at
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2012, 12:11:19 PM
I'm sure there won't be much of a decision for the like of Danny McBride to make when it comes to a chance with Tyrone or playing for a college.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 28, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
Massive clearout.  Massive.  A case of management losing the plot, omitting boys of 22/23 years of age?

Suppose something has to be done.  The last 2 years havent been good enough, hammering defeats to Dublin and again against an aged Kerry team last year.  Strange someone like Sean O'Neill ousted considered he played a lot last year.  McKenna and Cassidy also came on ina  few championship games.  All very strange.   

Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 28, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Massive clearout.  Massive.  A case of management losing the plot, omitting boys of 22/23 years of age?

Suppose something has to be done.  The last 2 years havent been good enough, hammering defeats to Dublin and again against an aged Kerry team last year.  Strange someone like Sean O'Neill ousted considered he played a lot last year.  McKenna and Cassidy also came on ina  few championship games.  All very strange.   

Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????

Your lad Kevin Gallagher from Newtown is a good footballer- albeit I've only seen him in Div 3. Always influential in any game I've seen. Not sure how he'd fare in Croke Pk in the Championship but definitely merits a crack.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 29, 2012, 12:14:17 AM
Anyone have any ideas of any new comers to the panel????

Danny Mc Bride has led by example for Sigersons this year (in particular, defending with steel and attacking with flair, despite failing at the penultimate hurdle for promotion to Division I), and given that he's a Ranch kingpin as well it's no surprise that he's been called up for County duty (though I might well say that  ;)).
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 25, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Was out for a few pints da udder night with some dubs & we were saying how after Christmas most people are a bit down with nothing to look forward to. However with the pre league competitions about to start I love that excitement of looking at new players & watch them try to take their chance. Some know that they could be playing in Croke park in front of 70,000 later in the year. I don't know many of the new batch so wondered if you do know them who can you see pushing to get into the team this year? Will Mattie Donnelly, Ronan O'Neill, Coney & McNamee be regulars?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 30, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
I suppose out of the new younger players they're 4 of the more likely to start in the coming year. Mattie Donnelly looked like he had good potential but still feel he has more to do to earn a regular starting place. I could be wrong but he seemed to be scoring less at club level last year and wasn't doing much scoring for Tyrone (partly expected due to his role).

You'd be hoping that both Coney and O'Neill could have an injury free year and really push on. Would make a big difference to the forward line. Will also be very interesting to see how McCurry gets on this year.

Harte obviously rates McNamee highly so looking forward to seeing him in new year. I really think we need to find at least another one really good man marker in defence.

In the last few years there are a number of players who always seem to be injured at some point come the championship. The likes of Coney, Justy McMahon, McNabb and PJ Quinn always seem to pick up injuries. It would be great if we got a good run on this front this year.
Title: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: carmenabu on February 02, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
Hi, anyone know of link to get sentanta sports stream for Down V Tyrone match today
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ziggysego on March 02, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
Tyrone will welcome three of the last four All-Ireland Champions and the winners of six of the last seven Allianz National Leagues to Healy Park, Omagh this Spring

·         That means Donegal; Cork; and Kerry come to visit in the space of five weeks

·         Tyrone’s ‘Spring into Action’ campaign builds on this unique opportunity to see Ireland’s best teams and players in action

·         Tyrone has never previously enjoyed a home Allianz League programme of this quality

·         The campaign involves a ‘Spring into Action Red Hand View’ fanzine being put into every school in Tyrone (15,000 copies across 100 schools): a copy is attached

·         Under 16s get free access to all games

·         Under 16s also get the chance to enter a free draw at each game (in association with Tyrone sponsors, Hunky Dorys and O’Neills)

·         The draw prizes are:

o       5 O’Neills Footballs (this prize will be drawn at the Donegal game on 3 March)

o       4 tickets for a family to a corporate box for the Dublin/Tyrone game in Croke Park on 16 March (drawn at the Cork game on 10 March)

o       4 Family Passes to Tayto Park in Meath (drawn at the Kerry game on 7 April).

·         Draw tickets are included as part of the ‘Spring into Action Red Hand View’ fanzine and collection points will be available at the Donegal, Cork and Kerry games

·         The Kerry game will end with Tyrone’s now traditional ‘Meet the Players’ opportunity
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on March 03, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
any sign of club football????????? or do they care????????????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
any sign of club football????????? or do they care????????????

Would that be the club football thread you are looking for?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
Bad thumping for the U21s against Monaghan in Emyvale this evening (Shamrock Cup Final), losing 4-08 to 0-06!  :(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 06, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 20, 2013, 12:01:19 PM
A big thanks to John Devine, and best to him, has been a great servant over the years.

Bad news about Kyle Coney - what's the latest on the injury? I take it no operation is necessary?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 20, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.

from memory that minor team took an awful thumping in the minor league final in 2010, think it was meath?
Hopefully its a good omen. Strong side on paper at least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on March 20, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
Worrying result given the team that was out. From the minor winning team the only one's I noticed that didn't start were McGarrity, Deeney (came on), Canavan (came on) and Tierney. McCurry also didn't seem to play any part. Hasn't played for the seniors since January so can only assume he's carrying a knock. Bradley  came of the bench. Looked a serious talent for the minors last year but looked so small and light its hard to know if he'll be ready for this level. Would certainly be worried entering the u21 championship now in a few weeks. The only positive was the game time got by Grugan and Ronan O'Neill.

from memory that minor team took an awful thumping in the minor league final in 2010, think it was meath?
Hopefully its a good omen. Strong side on paper at least
Took a hammering all right but it was Dublin who beat them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 20, 2013, 10:29:26 PM
John Devine has been some servant to Tyrone football.

A proper gentleman and an extremely talented goalkeeper who came to the rescue time after time.


I wish him well in his retirement and he leaves owing Tyrone nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on March 21, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
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Best of luck John. Plenty of medals to be won yet. #Errigal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 21, 2013, 01:09:29 PM
The U21s were some mess last night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on August 21, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
What's the story with the Moy Park deal lads? It's great to see them invest some cash in Tyrone GAA, however... What do Moy Park get out of it? What's the difference in a title sponsor (hunky dory) and a "brand sponsor"??
Wasn't there a motion on congress passed for a second shirt sponsor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on August 21, 2013, 09:38:10 PM
What's the story with the Moy Park deal lads? It's great to see them invest some cash in Tyrone GAA, however... What do Moy Park get out of it? What's the difference in a title sponsor (hunky dory) and a "brand sponsor"??
Wasn't there a motion on congress passed for a second shirt sponsor?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oSu2zRW5I

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 14, 2013, 02:22:18 PM
So 10 years on from our first AI final and how does Tyrone rate?
Well we have our new facilities up and running and we've more or less replaced most of the 2003 team to reasonable effect. Yes we've not won Sam for 5 years now but Mickey has introduced quite a few new young players who seem well capable of keeping us in the running for the top prize.
Not many would have expected to get to a Div 1 league final & AI semi this year so ye can slag off Mickey Harte & Tyrone's style all ye like but it's a great achievement for him to have us as one of the top 4 or 5 teams in the country having lost so many good players over the years.

High Hopes for 2014
Morgan, McGinley, McCurry & McAliskey, Mat Donnelly, Conor Clarke, McNamee & McKenna,  Ronan O'Neill, Coney & Peter Harte of course.
Any new lads coming through like McNulty or Lavery?

Concerned about
SON, Penrose, Justy & Peter Harte of course.
Will Block stay another year? Will McNabb ever get fit enough to be a regular?

I'd be keen to get more of the young lads starting during the league and not be always looking to Penrose and Stevie. Surely Grugan deserves a run out at MF to see how he goes.


I finally got a chance to watch the AI Live coverage yesterday and I heard Spillane & Brolly agree that there are no more good man to man markers anywhere in the country. It's a dying skill with the over dependance on sweepers and defensive systems.

Will Packie retire and Morgan be our new quarterback & top scorer?

Will the black card change our sytle of play radically or will Mickey continue with a running possession style game? Are many fans tired with this style of game & are we no longer an attack minded team that kick pass the ball regularly. Has Donegal's dominance over us in the last 3 years shaped how we play the game now?

I'd worry he'll look to continue running game even more as more pressure on other team to tackle better and not drag down etc.
I have to say I and loads more people I Know really dislike the way we approach games over the past number of years. It is so slow and laborious build up from the back. Our choice of playing a sweeper often means the opponents then do the same and so our forward line is always clogged up and we can't hit in long ball to them.

Why do we seem to never score goals any more? Goals win matches and look at Brogan's first goal v Mayo. We very rarely will kick a ball into our FF like that any more.
Again is it because we play it slowly up the field from the back with short hand passing?

So what's the best path for 2014?
Tyrone v Down in Omagh (think back to 2005 or 2008)
Away to Monaghan (reigning champions out for revenge)
Tyrone Armagh/Cavan
Donegal or Derry in the final.

Lose to Down
Go back door & play 4 more games (only 1 more than Ulster route) on the road and hope to avoid any big guns.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 15, 2013, 10:53:18 AM
Getting withdrawal symptoms down there in Dublin Fuzzman?
Everyone else is looking at the club scene.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 09:11:38 AM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 16, 2013, 11:02:45 AM
Tyrone National League Fixtures

Derry vs Tyrone (1st Feb 7pm)

Tyrone vs Mayo (9th Feb 2pm)

Kildare vs Tyrone (2nd Mar 2pm)

Kerry vs Tyrone (9th March 2pm)

Tyrone vs Westmeath (16th Mar 2pm)

Cork vs Tyrone (30th Mar 2pm)

Tyrone vs Dublin (6th Apr 2pm)


Some tricky away fixtures plenty of travelling.  3 Home games, 4 Away games.  Season tickets holders will see the deep south.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 16, 2013, 11:14:54 AM
Yeah with CNG relegated weeks ago and I'm fed up listening to the Dubs going on about their AI the only thing I can look forward to now is the next battle of Omagh.

I was telling a few mates at the start of the league how I'm looking forward to seeing Coney, RoNeill, McCurry & McAliskey all settle into the team and become regulars hopefully in 2013. Injuries again seem to dominate a lot of the talk over such players as well as McNabb, Justy & Cassidy.

How does Grugan compare with Clarke? I was surprised Grugan didn't get a run out in those back door games last year, especially when we were hammering Offaly.
Are we to expect more of the same next year with Ronnie & Coney out injured a lot?

We always seem to get Derry away in the first round when they're in our league. We never beat them there.

Away to Kerry & Cork will be tough again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 16, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Why are Tyrone away to Kildare 2 years in a row? All the other fixtures are reversed. Did we not have 4 away games last year? - Mayo, Dublin, Down and Kildare. Maybe its just a mistake - has to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 11:22:20 AM
Any idea of what date the first round of the Ulster Championship is? I'm trying to sort the Club Fixtures for 2014.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on October 16, 2013, 11:22:49 AM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 11:51:28 AM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Towards the end of this season (2013) it was widely reported that Tiernan McCann and Sean Warnock were seen as two of the top performers in Mickey Harte's copyrighted 'In House Games'.
I personally don't really buy into these games as I always find it easier for a 'newbie' to motivate themselves for these. I couldn't see the likes of Conor Gormley or Joe McMahon being that buzzing during them.

Would like to see Joe getting the number 3 jersey permanently.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 11:53:21 AM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey




we'd struggle to win a McKenna cup with that side.
Mark Donnelly for his work-rate and team contribution would start all day long in that forward line id say ahead of Coney at 11.
Conor Gormley is still so far ahead of all them defenders named there it doesnt bare even thinking about the trouble them 6 defenders would endure if he wasn't part of Tyrones defence in 2014 hes a certain starter if he makes himself available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 16, 2013, 12:11:11 PM
The trials will be very interesting this year. Wonder will Ray Mulgrew, Tommy McGuigan or Colly Doris get another chance at it? The same applies to Niall McKenna although obviously he's a fair bit younger.
In terms of the younger talent coming through id agree with most of the names mentioned previously and add Tommy Canavan & Niall Sludden (if over injury)
Daniel McNulty would offer the full forward line something totally different from RON, skeet & McCurry & should definitely be considered.
Would Harry Og Conlan be in consideration at all? Havnt seen nor heard much of him since this past 12months but looked promising as a youngster.
Conan Grugan looked the part in 2012 club championship, but injuries etc seem to have taken him back a step. Looking from the outside, being part of the county panel seemed to be a hindrance in terms of getting games & getting back up to previous level.
Dean McNally from Kildress is one I thought had the potential to be a real sticky man marker & initially made the cut last year. Worth another look imho.
Kyle Coney is the great enigma. Could be a contender for player of the year in 2014, or might not kick a ball.
Either way Mickey has a lot to ponder & some big calls to make this side of Christmas.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 12:16:50 PM
The trials will be very interesting this year. Wonder will Ray Mulgrew, Tommy McGuigan or Colly Doris get another chance at it? The same applies to Niall McKenna although obviously he's a fair bit younger.
In terms of the younger talent coming through id agree with most of the names mentioned previously and add Tommy Canavan & Niall Sludden (if over injury)
Daniel McNulty would offer the full forward line something totally different from RON, skeet & McCurry & should definitely be considered.
Would Harry Og Conlan be in consideration at all? Havnt seen nor heard much of him since this past 12months but looked promising as a youngster.
Conan Grugan looked the part in 2012 club championship, but injuries etc seem to have taken him back a step. Looking from the outside, being part of the county panel seemed to be a hindrance in terms of getting games & getting back up to previous level.
Dean McNally from Kildress is one I thought had the potential to be a real sticky man marker & initially made the cut last year. Worth another look imho.
Kyle Coney is the great enigma. Could be a contender for player of the year in 2014, or might not kick a ball.
Either way Mickey has a lot to ponder & some big calls to make this side of Christmas.
 

Think Dean McNally suffered horrific injury last season i doubt if h available.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on October 16, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Some interesting points Fuzzman.

From what I believe trails for 2014 will take place in November.

Have we had any official retirements?
I can only see Packie and maybe Stevie O'Neill walking away. Joe McMahon has committed for 2014.
I would expect Conor Gormley to have an extended break and return at the halfway point of the National League.
2014 may well be last chance saloon for the likes of Justin McMahon (struggled since 2008) and Aidan Cassidy.
God knows what's going to happen with McCarron.

I would expect an overturn in the bench fodder or Kevin Gallagher, Johnny Lafferty, etc where they have got past that age where they can be considered for the future. The likes of Tieran McCann will stay on because of this. Hopefully an extended run for Grugan and maybe even see if Warnock can step up.

New faces added to the panel could be: Shay McGuigan, Stefan Tierney, Richie Donnelly,PJ Lavery and Rory Brennan. I wouldn't be adverse to throwing Frank Burns into the mix either.

Team for first National League Match:
1. Morgan
2. Clarke
3. Joe McMahon
4. Aidan McCrory
5. Ryan McKenna
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Grugan
9. Colm Cavanagh
10. Ciaran McGinley
11. Kyle Coney- Sink or Swim
12.  Matty Donnelly
13. McCurry/Ronan O'Neill
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. McAliskey




we'd struggle to win a McKenna cup with that side.
Mark Donnelly for his work-rate and team contribution would start all day long in that forward line id say ahead of Coney at 11.
Conor Gormley is still so far ahead of all them defenders named there it doesnt bare even thinking about the trouble them 6 defenders would endure if he wasn't part of Tyrones defence in 2014 hes a certain starter if he makes himself available.

In the paragraph leading up to the team I suggested that Conor Gormley may have an extended break to mid national league. Wind. Your. Neck. In.

Also its the chance to see how the likes of Coney etc will do with an extended run. I wouldn't care how Tyrone finish in the National League- would like to see if certain players are up to this level.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 16, 2013, 03:37:36 PM
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Define Grafter and confirm who you are referring to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on October 16, 2013, 03:51:32 PM
Is club football in Tyrone very defensive these days like how the county play or is it more attack minded?

I would love to see us revert back to a more attack minded team who don't always play with a sweeper. I am bored to tears watching us slowly playing the ball up from the back and rarely kick passing any long balls into our FF line as it has no support behind it as everyone is back defending.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 16, 2013, 06:00:32 PM
Is club football in Tyrone very defensive these days like how the county play or is it more attack minded?

I would love to see us revert back to a more attack minded team who don't always play with a sweeper. I am bored to tears watching us slowly playing the ball up from the back and rarely kick passing any long balls into our FF line as it has no support behind it as everyone is back defending.
I don't think Grugan is the required standard to be honest. McCann is probably a better prospect simply because he is more of a grafter. I think Tyrone could do a lot worse than look at Dawyne Quinn and Ruairi Loughran on Sundays evidence. PJ Lavery has been a free man this past 2 championship games so the jury is out on him.

Define Grafter and confirm who you are referring to?

Good shout tommo.

i was confused and the only man i can think of is Tiernan mcCann Killyclogher.
Big year for Coney hes still living on the promise of his minor days he needs to get himself alot fitter.
going by the fixtures we've been dealt in the national league that we will be down round the bottom rather than competing at the top IMO
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 16, 2013, 10:34:26 PM
2014 NFL  fixtures


Saturday, February 1st (7pm): Derry v Tyrone

Sunday, February 9th (2pm): Tyrone v Mayo

Sunday, March 2nd (2pm): Kildare v Tyrone

Sunday, March 9th (2pm): Kerry v Tyrone

Sunday, March 16th (2pm): Tyrone v Westmeath

Sunday, March 30th (2pm): Cork v Tyrone

Sunday, April 6th (3pm): Tyrone v Dublin

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on October 17, 2013, 07:15:03 AM
Yes Tiernan McCann was the lad I was referring too. Perhaps grafter is the wrong term but he would relish the physical challenger a little more than Grugan would he not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 17, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
He has many talents but a physical battle would not be his preference!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 17, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
McCann is not the answer.  In fairness I have not seen a lot from him but I watched him in the championship and he was outclassed by Colm Cavanagh and Ryan Mellon.  I don't think Killyclogher won 1 kickout in the 2nd half.  That's where Killyclogher lost the game (midfield) McCann isn't the answer
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nothingbettertobeat on October 17, 2013, 07:19:59 PM
2014 NFL  fixtures


Saturday, February 1st (7pm): Derry v Tyrone

Sunday, February 9th (2pm): Tyrone v Mayo

Sunday, March 2nd (2pm): Kildare v Tyrone

Sunday, March 9th (2pm): Kerry v Tyrone

Sunday, March 16th (2pm): Tyrone v Westmeath

Sunday, March 30th (2pm): Cork v Tyrone

Sunday, April 6th (3pm): Tyrone v Dublin



what a horrible set of fixtures to be handed.
it looks like a dog fight already.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 06, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
Any more word of the trials. Last I heard they were to place some time this month.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:59 PM
On the comment above about Tyrone adopting a more attack minded approach - why is Mickey so reluctant to try and force this template through?  Surely with all the success over the past 8 or 9 years from schools level up (coupled with the number of clubs/players) Tyrone have as much talent as any county (Dublin included) to go out and rack up big scores.  Could never understand why players like Johnny Lafferty have never been given a really good chance, would do a lot of damage if played in the full forward line.  His brother Ronan would be one of the best fielders of the ball in the county (if not the best) and would have a physicality and edge that none of our current midfielders possess.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 06, 2013, 03:44:37 PM
Any more word of the trials. Last I heard they were to place some time this month.

Need to wait until Mickey comes home from his holidays.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on November 07, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Anyone know what's happening with u21 management?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 07, 2013, 07:19:41 PM
Anyone know what's happening with u21 management?


Seems nothing.... two parties showed interest and withdrew shortly before meeting!!! No interested parties as off tuesday night meeting.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 07:42:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on November 07, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 07, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.


I agree 100 % with that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on November 07, 2013, 09:28:22 PM
Your wish is my command, sorta.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 07, 2013, 10:10:07 PM
You/s are taking the piss-right?
I would like to see senior management take it for a year or 2.
Sort of like an extended or development senior squad with the aim being development of senior players rather than winning of the U-21's being the goal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 08, 2013, 01:39:39 AM
Really disappointed. Had hoped we would have had mark and gavin at 21s working well with Mickey at seniors. What changed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 08, 2013, 08:20:09 AM
Canavan time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:39:41 AM
I hope not Canavan to be honest.

Anyone able to get the minor panel from 2011?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 08, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?

Thats a bit harsh. Whilst its not as strong on paper as the previous few years were we underachieved, there is still the bones of a really good squad there. And less expectation - which surely is a good thing for the new management team
Off the top of my head - D McNulty, J McGahan, M Bradley, F Burns, D McCurry, M Cassidy, M McReynolds, J Munroe, K McGeary..
Sean Hackett admittedly a loss

Agree that the panel isn't as strong on previous years, but id say the new management will have as good a pick as any other in Ulster. An Ulster U21 championship would be seen as a huge victory now in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
Tyrone Minor Championship Panel 2011
Aidan McGarrity (Rock)
Ben McGillian (Strabane)
Brendan Burns (Pomeroy)
Cahir McCullagh (Greencastle)
Colm Corrigan (Dungannon)
Conor Mallon (Naomh Mhuire)
Conor McAleer (Kildress)
Daire Martin (Killeeshil)
Daniel McNulty (Clonoe)
Darren McCurry (Naomh Mhuire)
Enda McGahan (Naomh Mhuire)
Mark McAleer (Rock)
Mark McReynolds (Naomh
Matthew Heagney (Kildress)
Michael Cassidy (Ardboe)
Micheal McCann (Errigal Ciaran)
Neil Hagan (Galbally)
Niall Donaghy (Loughmacrory)
Philip Barker (Eglish)
Rory Brennan (Trillick)
Ryan Devlin (Stewartstown)
Ryan Mayse (Newtownstewart)
Ryan McShane (Owen Roe's)
Sean Hackett (Augher)
Sean Molloy (Dungannon)
Sean Quinn (Pomeroy)
Tomas McCarron (Dromore)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 08, 2013, 08:56:44 AM
Think Horse would be a good shout for the Under 21 management.

Any word of why Mark Harte has pulled out. Was it a case of he went in, seen that squad and said f**k that.

Sean Teague/Chris Lawn anyone?

Thats a bit harsh. Whilst its not as strong on paper as the previous few years were we underachieved, there is still the bones of a really good squad there. And less expectation - which surely is a good thing for the new management team
Off the top of my head - D McNulty, J McGahan, M Bradley, F Burns, D McCurry, M Cassidy, M McReynolds, J Munroe, K McGeary..
Sean Hackett admittedly a loss

Agree that the panel isn't as strong on previous years, but id say the new management will have as good a pick as any other in Ulster. An Ulster U21 championship would be seen as a huge victory now in Tyrone.

Wasn't serious. I actually think there is a decent panel there.

Couple of lads who were part of the 2013 All Ireland minor team will also be included.

Other lads that got trails in 2011

Ruairi McGlone (Aghaloo), Tiarnan Donnelly (Aghaloo), Michael Cassidy (Ardboe), Shane Graham (Ardboe), Peter O’Neill (Ardboe), Michael Lynn (Ardboe), Oliver Mallaghan (Ardboe), Oisin Devlin (Ardboe), Stephen O’Neill (Brackaville), Rian McHugh (Brackaville), Che O’Donnell (Brackaville), Padraig Bell (Brocagh), Daryll Magee (Clonoe), Daniel McNulty (Clonoe), Eamon Duffin (Clonoe), Padraig Hampsey (Coalisland), Shea Rankin (Coalisland), Tiarnan Fee (Coalisland), Cathoir Quinn (Coalisland), Ciaran Blake (Cookstown), Ruairi Mullan (Cookstown), Barry Potter (Cookstown), Eoin Coyle (Cookstown), John McIvor (Cookstown), Peter Murray (Cookstown), Oisin Maguire (Cookstown), Caolan Coney (Derrylaughan), Matthew O’Neill (Derrylaughan), Stephen McGrath (Derrylaughan), Conor McCabe (Derrylaughan), Caolan Corr (Derrytresk), Gareth Devlin (Derrytresk), Brian Gavin (Derrytresk), Peter McKenna (Donaghmore), Deasun Quinn (Donaghmore), Aidan Lavery (Donaghmore), Shea Hamill (Donaghmore), Philip Donnelly (Donaghmore), Sean Molloy (Dungannon), Barry McKernan (Dungannon), Conor McKenna (Eglish), Enda McElroy (Eglish), Sean Muldoon (Eglish), Colm Byrne (Eglish), Neil Hagan (Galbally), Fearghal Mc Garrity (Galbally), Danny Touhey (Greencastle), Chrissy Gillen (Greencastle), Sean Fox (Greencastle), Denis Mullen (Kildress), Gavin Corey (Kildress), Paul Mullin (Kildress), Anthony Devlin (Moortown), Conor Mallon (Naomh Mhuire), Brent Murty (Naomh Mhuire), Michael Mooney (Naomh Mhuire), Donal Maneely (Naomh Mhuire), Kieran McGeary (Pomeroy), Francis Burns (Pomeroy), Anthony McKenna (Pomeroy), Padraig O’Neill (Rock), Diarmuid Carroll (Rock), Cathal Devlin (Stewartstown), Dan Lowe (Stewartstown)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 08, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
Considering Tyrones 2013 minor team got to the All Ireland final and the 2012 minor team won Ulster then you would think that the panel of players available to the u-21 manager who be as good as any in the province.  Something needs to change at u-21 level in Tyrone, we need to start winning again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 08, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
1. Mark McReynolds
2. Ruari Mullan
3. Paudie Hampsey
4. Brendan Burns
5. Conor Mallon
6. Conor McAleer
7. Tomas McCarron
8. Rory Brennan
9. Cahir McCullagh
10. Michael Cassidy
11. Johnny Munroe
12. Kieran McGeary
13. Darren McCurry
14. Dan McNulty
15. Ryan Mayse

About as strong an u21 team that i can think off at the minute and its not a bad team especially tge forwards. Caolan Harvey, John Loughran, Conall McCann, Ruari Sludden or Mark Bradley could get a start somewhere depending on how there playing next year but at the minute that would be my team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:24:44 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 12, 2013, 11:51:19 AM
give you a clue he might have your user name
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 12, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?

Fergal Logan
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 12, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
Wow, didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 12, 2013, 08:55:50 PM
Delighted for the man and well done tyrone. A fantastic fella who will succeed and help bring back success to Tyrone at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 12, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
Great appointment - enthusiasm a-plenty with club management success behind him. And a fantastic Tyrone servant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Rois on November 12, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
Just heard about one of his support team  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 12, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Fergal Logan appointed County Under 21 Manager
Coiste Contae Thir Eoghain wish to confirm that Fergal Logan has been appointed as the County Under 21 Football Manager for 2014 and 2015.

A former All-Star nominee for midfield in 1995, Fergal won back to back Ulster Championships for Tyrone in 1995 and 1996. As a coach, Fergal was player manager of the Stewartstown Harps team that won the Ulster Junior Club Championship in 2004 and subsequently reached the All Ireland Club Final in 2005. Since that, Fergal has been involved in coaching at development squad level in Tyrone for the past 4 years.

While his backroom has not yet been finalised, Fergal will be assisted by former All Ireland winning captain Brian Dooher, who had a role in former manager Raymond Monroe’s backroom team in 2013, plus one more assistant who has yet to be confirmed.

Speaking regarding the appointment County Chairman Ciaran McLaughlin said “Fergal has been working with our development squads for a number of years and welcomed the opportunity to move up to Under 21 level. Over the next 2 years, Fergal will work to develop the players to be ready to step up to Senior Level and the we wish him every success for his term”
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 13, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..

It seems like he was onto something

ferG41 lOGan

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 13, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
County Under 21 Manager named tonight. Any word on who it is?
give you a clue he might have your user name

Then again he might not..

It seems like he was onto something

ferG41 lOGan

Ahh, FFS I was never any good at the cryptic crossword.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on November 13, 2013, 09:01:31 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?


Brian seemily has a few kids could not committ to be the number one but said he would be willing to work as some one's assistant....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 13, 2013, 10:19:35 AM
Good luck to Fergal and his team but anyone who thinks that he or anyone else for that mater is he golden ticket and will guarantee success is deluded. The fact that he comes from the development squad background is one reason why I would have steered clear. Very few late developers ever make it into the minor or U21 squads because they have missed the cut at U15 or U17 level. These players will always get preference because the manager has worked with them before. I know there will be trials etc etc but do you know how hard it is for someone who missed the cut at minor to go to an U21 trail and fit in with these "elite players" that the development squads create. In my opinion it doesn't create these elite players in a lot of cases, but  elite egos which leaves a lot of them unmanageable, or probably more to the point, uncoachable at this age as they know everything.
Why not let Dooher at it himself as the main man and take Fergal with him?

Roddy, do Carmen send their underage players to the development squads?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on November 13, 2013, 11:19:10 AM
They do indeed. The club policy has changed over this past 2 ears because of pressure from parents who felt there children were missing out. Some of the lads involved parents played for Tyrone so its hardly surprising. You can not deny a cub the opportunity to play for their county but at that age the club should ALWAYS come first which isn't always the case, hence creating this elitist scenario amoung our young players. Does anyone really think that Monroe, Jordan, McAnenly and Dooher didn't put the work in with last years under 21s. The senior players were terrible against Donegal for god sake, the players that should have been leading the way. Why was this do any off youse know?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 13, 2013, 11:54:02 AM
Id agree with all of what Wee Roddy is saying. Whats the alternative though? how do we best prepare lads for minor & under 21 football, & at the same time prevent the whole elite thing?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 13, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
I agree with what wee Roddy is initially saying about dev squads, this is the system that is within Tyrone football at the moment and I am an opponent of it..  but  prospective county managers having a working knowledge of 50+ % of the likely talent available to them is better than someone with only a small standing start understanding of same.  To move it one step on and to try and exclude someone with that knowledge base could be deemed as possibly a classic symptom of the dreaded "wee man tall grass" syndrome 

 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on November 15, 2013, 04:23:13 PM
Any word of who has been called for trials? Heard Shay Mc Guigan and Danny Mc Nulty for sure. No surprise there.  Anyone hear of any others?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 15, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
Stefan Tierney - Errigal Ciaran
Richard Donnelly and Rory Brennan - Trillick
PJ Laverty Dwayne Quinn and Dan McNulty - Clonoe
Stephen McNally and Brian Toner - Coalisland
Paddy Quinn - Dungannon
Ryan Mayse - Newtonstewart
Niall McKenna - Donaghmore
Heard derrytresk got a defender picked for trials as well but not completely sure of that one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on November 15, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 18, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
I see Canavan came on as a sub for Tyrone over 40s on Saturday. Kicked 0-2.

Gareth Quinn(Killyman), Gary McKenna(Killyclogher), Gavan Mc Elroy(Carrickmore), Paul; Sweeney(Killyclogher) Mark Gallagher(Eglish), Ronan Mc Garrity(Carrickmore), Eamon Cavanagh(Errigal Ciaran), Damien Gormley(Trillick), Conrad Quinn(Moortown), Brian Mc Elroy(Killyclogher), Mickey Cummings(Dungannon), Conor Daly(Trillick), Iggy Gallagher(Trillick), Martin Keyes(Castlederg), Mickey Mc Conomy(Newtonstewart).

Subs : Peter Canavan(Errigal Ciaran), Niall Conway(Clann na Gael), Eamon Duncan(Drumragh), Conor Gallagher (Drumragh), Adrian Donnelly(Beragh), Mickey Mc Cann(Beragh), Aidan Mc Gahan(Killyman), Andy Mc Sorley(Newtonstewart), Gerard Mc Williams(Fintona), Ciaran Leonard(Castlederg), Brain Mc Callion(Castlederg).Nigel Mullan (Tattyreagh) Injured: Hugh Quinn(Errigal Ciaran) , Fergal Gormley(Carrickmore)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 18, 2013, 12:43:55 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like

Collie Doris for one ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 18, 2013, 02:03:16 PM
There's a few Clonoe men missing off that list ??

who like

Collie Doris for one ?


Not interested in Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 22, 2013, 04:00:38 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on November 22, 2013, 09:22:33 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.

Must be a few clubs missing from these trials. No trillick players or Ryan Mayse from newtonstewart.
Also a few clubs have put forward alot of players like killyclogher and cookstown, surely there was a limit to the amount of players that could be put forward by each club because alot of these players put forward are not up to county under 21 standard.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 22, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Newtownstewart and Trillick both involved in playoffs this weekend. Hence why their players will not be attending trials.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 24, 2013, 01:30:00 PM

Copied from Gaelic Life (gaeliclife.com)

NEW Tyrone u-21 boss Fergal Logan will this weekend get the chance to run his eye over possible recruits. Nominated by their clubs, two sessions will be held at Garvaghey this Sunday. Players must arrive at 9am for session one and 11.30am for session two.

Players to attend Kevin O Gorman Aghaloo, Darragh Kavanagh Augher, Cathal Owen Beragh, Martin Gervin Brackaville, Cahill Logue, Caolan Harvey, Stefain Gallen Castlederg, Jarleth Mc Ilvenna, Cathair Quinn, Padraig Hampsey Coalisland, Own Coyle, Matthew Hughes, John McIvor, Ruairi Mullan, James Mc Gahan, Eoin O Connor, Barry Potter, Ciaran Owens Cookstown, Mark Robinson, Stephen Mc Grath, James Kennedy, Connor Mc Cabe Derrylaughan, Tomas Mc Carron, Colm O Neill, Ruairi Sludden, Colm McRory, Jack Poyntz Dromore, Eoin Mc Gread, Brendan Drumm Drumragh, Aidan McCluskey, Cormac Mc Cann, Peter Mc Kenna, Deasun Quinn, Philip Donnelly, Shea Hamill Donaghmore, Dermot Burns, Colm Corrigan, Barry Mc Kernan, Barry Cassidy, Matthew Walsh Dungannon, Conor Mallon, Donal Manely, Darren Mc Curry, Mark Mc Reynolds Edendork, Gerard Devine, Christopher Mc Clean Gortin, Sean Fox Killyclogher, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Declan Conroy, Ryan Coleman, Christopher O Neill Moy.


Session 2 Players to attend: Aaron Eilliott, Dan Mc Nulty, Daryl Magee, Conor Hughes, Declan McClure Clonoe, Aaron Daly, Sean Muldoon, Colm Byrne, Enda Mc Elroy, Declan Goodfellow, Philip Barker Eglish, Michael Mc Cann, Mark Kavanagh, Sean Mc Kenna Errigal Ciaran, Christopher Morris, Fergal Mc Garrity, Sean Murphy, Neil Hagan Galbally, Peter Mc Kenna, Cahir Mc Cullagh Greencastle, Matthew Heagney, Eoin Brannigan, Colm Loughran, Stephen Mc Gurk, Conor Mc Aleer Kildress, Meegan Meegan, Gabhan Sludden, Mark Bradley, Barra Collins, Tiernan Cox, Conall Mc Cann, Meenagh Meenagh Killyclogher, Enda Mc Gahan Killyman, Michael Devlin, Ryan Kelly, Anthony Devlin Moortown, Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Conor Meyler, Cormac O Neill, Niall Mc Ginn Omagh, Stephen Kelly, Cathal Mc Shane, Ryan Mc Shane Owen Roes, Mark Mc Aleer, Aidan Mc Garrity, Diarmaid Carroll Rock, James Campbell, Niall Dillon, Cathal Devlin, Ryan Devlin, Nathan O Neill Stewartstown, Jamie Mc Aleer, Plunkett Langan Urney.
Meegan Meegan and Meenagh Meenagh? Some strange names about Killyclogher!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 25, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
Was thinking about getting the owl fella a Tyrone Season Ticket 2014 for Christmas. Are these going to be available for Christmas? Hardly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on November 25, 2013, 03:05:33 PM
Was thinking about getting the owl fella a Tyrone Season Ticket 2014 for Christmas. Are these going to be available for Christmas? Hardly.

Try this;
https://www.seasontickets.ie/new/Products/List/football
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 26, 2013, 09:36:36 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 26, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?

Was Carlin not part of the squad also?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on November 26, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Sean Cavanagh takes over as captain of Tyrone (From BBC website 26th November)

Five-times All Star winner Sean Cavanagh will be Tyrone's skipper for the 2014 campaign, Red Hands boss Mickey Harte revealed on Monday night.
The Moy man takes over from Stephen O'Neill, who was captain for two years.
Cavanagh returned to his best this year, after twice recovering from career-threatening shoulder injuries, to earn his latest All Star award.
The appointment is in line with Harte's policy of handing the role to players with vast experience.
With the exception of the late Cormac McAnallen, who was made captain in 2004, the captaincy has been awarded to players who have passed the age of 30.
Cavanagh becomes the fifth skipper to serve during Harte's tenure, which is about to enter its 12th season.
The position has also been filled by Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and O'Neill.
The role of vice-captain, which was held this year by Joe McMahon, has not yet been filled.
Trials for the panel are currently being held, and a Tyrone squad for the Dr McKenna Cup is expected to be named before the end of the month.
Pascal McConnell's decision to retire means there are only three survivors from the Red Hands' maiden All-Ireland success in 2003 - Cavanagh, Conor Gormley and O'Neill.


Does anyone else fear that this is an indication that we've seen the last of Stevie O'Neill in a Tyrone jersey?

Was Carlin not part of the squad also?

Definitely.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 11:34:25 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 28, 2013, 11:37:46 AM
Time to see the likes of Ronan O'Neill to step up to the mark. Someone like Jonny Lafferty could be given a chance to prove his panel worth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 28, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Not sure if it's the defensive system as such - more the transition from defence to attack. In our own half Big Joe seems to be the player we always work the ball to and Peter Harte in the midfield third. Sometimes last year it was too predictable and too slow. I'd like to see Ciaran McKinley given a Davy Harte style role and allowed to bomb up and down the wing - played some excellent football in attack for Errigal this year.  However, given the number of forwards missing I'd say Mickey will deploy him at half forward early this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 28, 2013, 01:22:34 PM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Our defense could do with improvement (require a man marker or two) but as a unit they did well last year when you look at the scores conceded.  The big problem we have is definitely in our forward line where we seem to have no marquee forwards and no goal threat at all.  How many goals did Tyrone score last year from play? 

Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.

Of all the players mentioned the player that for me is the deadliest is Lafferty.  I'm sure a lot of people on here have seen him play for his club this year or last and if you have then you will see a player that is untouchable when on form.  The problem he is having is that getting a few run out's here and there are doing nothing for his confidence at county level.  He is passing the ball a lot when he gets it which is the oppositie of what he normally does with his club.  Obviously there has to be a balancing act as players are usually expected to do more for their clubs while also being expected not to eat the ball all the time at county, but if the balance can be found with Lafferty and if he gets 3 or 4 full games then we have a gem on our hands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 01:27:14 PM
Tyrone will be without a number of established attackers for the McKenna Cup. Connor McAliskey has a dislocated shoulder, while Stephen O'Neill is likely to sit out the pre-season competition.
Carrickmore pair Mark Donnelly and Martin Penrose may also be given an extended break. (and Kyle Coney until march)

Who is going to lead the Tyrone attack in 2014 - going to be some new faces around!

Our big problem is our forward line, if you take those players you have mentioned out their replacements won't have a huge task to replace their scores - think between SON, McAliskey, Penrose, Coney and Mark Donnelly they scored 16 points from play which is a poor return considering the number of games played last summer.  Think Penrose only scored a point from play.

Its not our forwards are the problem, its our defensive system, plus a more serious problem of poor attacking wing half backs, think of Davy and Jordan, raiding counter attack runs creating and taking scores, something we are missing. In summary quality attacking wing half backs and a less defensive formation

Our defense could do with improvement (require a man marker or two) but as a unit they did well last year when you look at the scores conceded.  The big problem we have is definitely in our forward line where we seem to have no marquee forwards and no goal threat at all.  How many goals did Tyrone score last year from play? 

Opportunities there hopefully in the early months for potential newcomers, likes of Daniel McNulty, Richie Donnelly, Conan Grugan <mugsy reckons Grugan should have been on the starting 15 last season due to his performances in the inhouse games he attended last April & May> Tommy Canavan, Shay McGuigan...

If some fringe players like Lafferty & McNiece havnt made an impact by now its hard to see it happening at all at this level.

We probably don't have much longer to wait before the new panel is announced. Hope they don't botch it the way they did last year.

Of all the players mentioned the player that for me is the deadliest is Lafferty.  I'm sure a lot of people on here have seen him play for his club this year or last and if you have then you will see a player that is untouchable when on form.  The problem he is having is that getting a few run out's here and there are doing nothing for his confidence at county level.  He is passing the ball a lot when he gets it which is the oppositie of what he normally does with his club.  Obviously there has to be a balancing act as players are usually expected to do more for their clubs while also being expected not to eat the ball all the time at county, but if the balance can be found with Lafferty and if he gets 3 or 4 full games then we have a gem on our hands.

I must confess nrico that I've never seen him play Club football but I have heard that he is on the Tyrone Panel on merit based on his performances. I haven't been impressed with anything I've seen from him playing for Tyrone however - maybe the absences will be an opportunity for him to get a few games under his belt and show us what he can do.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on November 28, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Must say that PJ Lavery was easily the best attacking wing half I saw in Tyrone club football the year, he destroyed Ciaran Mc Ginley in the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on November 28, 2013, 03:43:06 PM
Must say that PJ Lavery was easily the best attacking wing half I saw in Tyrone club football the year, he destroyed Ciaran Mc Ginley in the championship

Aye but McGinley never played wing half back - he was a half forward in the three games I saw him play for his club this year and was a marked man in all three games and still impressed.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 28, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
I'd be happy if Mickey gave the older boys a rest for the first few months of the year. Would ensure they're refreshed come championship time and allow the younger boys to gain experience in the team. I actually think that we'd still compete will in the league. Maybe a team like this:
Morgan
McKenna
McBride
McCarron (or McNamee or even a newcomer though can't think of too many potentials)
Harte
McNabb
McGinley
C Cavanagh
Clarke
Grugan
Shay McGuigan or R Mulgrew
Lafferty
McCurry
Mattie D
R O'Neill

Really hoping Ronan O'Neill can push on this year. Last year was about getting over the injury, now hopefully he can deliver on the promise. There was a lot of boys brought into the panel last year. Kane and Gallagher etc - will be interesting to see how they get on this year with an extra year behind them at the level.

Does anyone know if Justy McMahon is currently fit? Given his injury record its hard to know what to do with him. Would be great if he could have an injury free season and get back to his best, though as the years go on it just looks less likely. Coney is another player who has struggled year after year with injuries. As is McNabb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on November 28, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
PJ Lavery surely is an absolute must for the Tyrone squad. The best attacking wing back in the county by a mile.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 28, 2013, 09:43:31 PM
PJ Lavery surely is an absolute must for the Tyrone squad. The best attacking wing back in the county by a mile.

Would there not be a concern over his size? Like how would he do against a physically strong half forward? Certainly would have no problem with him getting a try.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 28, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
Are there any standout man markers about, I can't think of any. We need a defence we can rely on to give the rest of the team the confidence to attack.
Give the like of McBride, McKenna and Lafferty a run at it and the chance to establish themselves. Give the likes of Ronan ONeill and Mulgrew another chance and bring in only 2-3 new players.

Opening it out to too many players gives no one a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on November 28, 2013, 10:27:02 PM
Are we ever going to see Kyle Coney play any football.I will digest O rourkes,Spillanes and Brollys underpants if this man ever kicks Tyrone to an All Ireland.I fear for him being remembered as the man with the endless injuries.Hope this is the incentive that drove super Dooher to the captains table.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 29, 2013, 08:12:22 AM
Are there any standout man markers about, I can't think of any. We need a defence we can rely on to give the rest of the team the confidence to attack.
Give the like of McBride, McKenna and Lafferty a run at it and the chance to establish themselves. Give the likes of Ronan ONeill and Mulgrew another chance and bring in only 2-3 new players.

Opening it out to too many players gives no one a chance.

Some good calls there.  Was thinking about Mulgrew the other day and would be hoping that he could get a few games.  At this level its all about letting players get comfortable at the level and that can only be achieved by giving them games.  McBride is another player who would be a really good option for full back or half back, very stong and athletic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 29, 2013, 08:47:30 AM
From memory there were around 11 new players brought into the squad this year. It usually takes at least a year to settle into county football so I'm sure Harte is hopefuly of getting a greater return from these players in the current year. Given the changes last year I wouldn't expect huge changes this year. Maybe 3 or 4 new players. Shay McGugian, Stefan Tierney, Raymie Mulgrew and a few Clonoe boys will probably be under consideration.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2013, 05:01:27 PM
Any word of the trials that were to take place? Have they started?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Boghopper on December 02, 2013, 08:51:50 PM
In house game yesterday at Garvaghy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 03, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
Any word of what new players took part or how anyone got on?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 05, 2013, 11:44:20 AM

Copied from Hoganstand.com

O'Neill out 'til March
05 December 2013


Stephen O'Neill will miss Tyrone's McKenna Cup campaign and the early rounds of the Allianz Football League because of a recurring back problem.

Manager Mickey Harte will also be without Kyle Coney, PJ Quinn, Dermot Carlin, Aidan Cassidy, Ronan McNabb and the McMahon brothers, Joe and Justin, for the Red Hands' McKenna Cup defence.

"I'd nearly need the list in front of me to total up who's missing," Harte remarked in the Irish News.

"But none of them are career-threatening injuries. They are just things that need to be tended to. I suppose the number of injuries is a bit of a cause for concern. But it's better having them now rather than in the middle of the season.

"Our medical people will be working on them and we'll get progress reports on all of them. They'll come back at different phases of the season, but they'll have to catch up when they do come back."

On O'Neill's injury, Harte said: "Stevie's is not a serious injury, but we're making sure he's recovered to the full level.

"He would have back trouble which could affect his knee or other parts of his body. But he keeps himself fit and he does a lot of cycling so we'd be happy enough with that."

With so many injuries, there will be opportunities for others to make an impression.

"A lot of regulars are carrying injuries and aren't going to be available just now, so there will definitely be new faces in the McKenna Cup squad because we simply need them to have a squad," the manager added.


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Im kinda glad ONeill wont be available until March, do him no harm at all. Keep the powder dry for Championship

The one man I am disappointed to see on the injured list is Ronan McNabb. Could be a big year for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 06, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
taken from official Tyrone

Tyrone U.21 Trials

 The following players are requested to attend for Tyrone U.21 Football Trials at Garvaghey GAA Centre on Sunday morning, the 8th December.

 Players to arrive at 10.00am

 Following Players:

 1.Dan Mc Nulty – Clonoe
 2.Declan Mc Clure – Clonoe
 3.Aaron Daly – Eglish
 4.Colm Byrne – Eglish
 5.Enda Mc Elroy – Eglish
 6.Philip Barker – Eglish
 7.Michael Mc Cann – Errigal Ciaran
 8.Sean Mc Kenna – Errigal Ciaran
 9.Fergal McGarrity – Galbally
 10.Sean Murphy – Galbally
 11.Neil Hagan – Galbally
 12.Matthew Heagney – Kildress
 13.Eoin Brannigan – Kildress
 14.Conor Mc Aleer – Kildress
 15.Gabhan Sludden – Killyclogher
 16.Mark Bradley – Killyclogher
 17.Tiernan Cox – Killyclogher
 18.Conall Mc Cann – Killyclogher
 19.Caolan Morgan – Killyman
 20.Enda Mc Gahan – Killyman
 21.Ryan Kelly – Moortown
 22.Ciaran Mc Laughlin – Omagh
 23.Conor Meyler – Omagh
 24.Niall Mc Ginn – Omagh
 25.Stephen Kelly – Owen Roes
 26.Cathal Mc Shane – Owen Roes
 27.Ryan Mc Shane – Owen Roes
 28.Aidan Mc Garrity – Rock
 29.Ryan Devlin – Stewartstown
 30.Jamie Mc Aleer – Urney
 31.Johnny Monroe – An Charrig Mhor
 32.Conal Travers – An Charrig Mhor
 33.Michael Cassidy – Ardboe
 34.Daire McCarroll - Eskra
 35.Darragh Kavanagh – Augher
 36.Cathal Owens – Beragh
 37.Caolan Harvey – Castlederg
 38.Jarleth Mc Ilvenna – Coalisland
 39.Padraig Hampsey – Coalisland
 40.Ruairi Mullan – Cookstown
 41.James Mc Gahan – Cookstown
 42.Barry Potter – Cookstown
 43.James Kennedy – Derrylaughan
 44.Tomas Mc Carron – Dromore
 45.Ruairi Sludden – Dromore
 46.Jack Poyntz – Dromore
 47.Colm Corrigan – Dungannon
 48.Matthew Walsh – Dungannon
 49.Darren Mc Curry – Edendork
 50.Mark Mc Reynolds – Edendork
 51.Christopher Mc Clean – Gortin
 52.Sean Fox – Killyclogher
 53.Cormac Mc Cann – Donaghmore
 54.Peter Mc Kenna – Donaghmore
 55.Deasun Quinn- Donaghmore
 56.Brendan Burns – Pomeroy
 57.Francis Burns – Pomeroy
 58.Kieran Mc Geary – Pomeroy
 59.Ruairi Kelly – Trillick
 60.Rory Brennan – Trillick
 61.Ryan Mc Elroy – Strabane
 62.Tommy Murphy – Drumragh
 63.Ciaran O’Neill – Killeshill
 64.Ruaire O’Neill – Killeshill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: headlines on December 07, 2013, 11:02:26 PM
From a reliable source...players at senior inhouse match trial.
Peter hughes and cormac arkinson eskra
Michael cassidy and shea mcguigan ardboe
Thomas canavan errigal
Kevin campbell derrytresk
Danny mcnulty pj lavery colly dorris clonoe
Rory brennan trillick
Ferghal mcgarrity galbally
Emmy mckenna eglish
Conal mccann killyclogher
Padraig mcnulty and patrick quinn Dungannon
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 08, 2013, 04:05:59 AM
From a reliable source...players at senior inhouse match trial.
Peter hughes and cormac arkinson eskra
Michael cassidy and shea mcguigan ardboe
Thomas canavan errigal
Kevin campbell derrytresk
Danny mcnulty pj lavery colly dorris clonoe
Rory brennan trillick
Ferghal mcgarrity galbally
Emmy mckenna eglish
Conal mccann killyclogher
Padraig mcnulty and patrick quinn Dungannon

I know for certain that Colm Doris will be nowhere near Tyrone. His own choice as he is not interested in playing for them. Kevin Campbell is a good lad but I would doubt if Mickey rates this man as a county player but has not called on the loughmacrory fullback, colm mc gurk from carrickmore who I rate as the best or even aidan brady from clonoe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 020304 Tir Eoghain on December 08, 2013, 12:09:19 PM
P J Quinn back in the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 08, 2013, 01:56:03 PM
Heard PJ is back as well. Pleased to hear that as he is a good option, but I'd question what has changed since he stepped away from it during last years championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on December 08, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
Good article on Mulligan's book here :

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-talisman-left-to-wonder-how-quickly-the-glory-days-all-slipped-away-1.1619877?page=1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 08, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Conall McCann and fergal mcgarrity are two odd choices to get tyrone senior trials, seen nothing in either men this year to warrant a senior trial.
Dwayne Quinn, Aidan Brady, Conall Mcnulty, Ruairi Loughran and Stefan Tierney wouldve been five players that i would consider more deserving of a chance after the year they had.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 09, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Goals_Will_Come -  there is no point in offering trials til a 33year old.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on December 09, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
Has Ronan Lafferty ever been at the trials? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 09, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
Goals_Will_Come - there is no point in offering trials til a 33year old.

Why not? Is he not worth a shot is there many better full backs in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on December 10, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
mc kenna cup panel named few strange names on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Heelflick15 on December 11, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
What is the list of names??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on December 11, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
Don't know full list but
Dan Mc Nulty
Shane O Hagan
Emmet Mc Kenna
Hugh Gallagher
Shay Mc Guigan
Peter Hughes
all added plus a few others
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 12, 2013, 08:50:20 AM
Don't know full list but
Dan Mc Nulty
Shane O Hagan
Emmet Mc Kenna
Hugh Gallagher
Shay Mc Guigan
Peter Hughes
all added plus a few others

Shane Ohagan is not on the McKenna cup panel, where did you get your info....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 12, 2013, 09:06:41 AM
That's disappointing, I rate Shane O'Hagan. In the Kevin Hughes mould of old school Midfielders...  I don't think we are far away from official announcement of McKenna panel. Expecting plenty of new faces in the knowledge that we will have a fair few senior players sitting it out & also quite a few players who will be forced to play for a University team instead.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on December 12, 2013, 09:47:10 AM
what clubs are hugh gallagher and emmett mckenna from?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 12, 2013, 10:26:54 AM
Gallagher Omagh & McKenna Eglish
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on December 12, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
Dan McNulty and PJ Laverty (Clonoe), Shea McGuigan (Ardboe), Patrick Quinn (Dungannon) and Emmett McKenna (Eglish) have all made it.
Injuries to Richard Donnelly, Stefan Tierney and Dwayne Quinn missed the trials through injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on December 20, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
Full McKenna Cup panel here; http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/12/tyrone-mckenna-cup-panel-2014/

Good to see Niall McKenna getting another crack at it. Same vintage as Mattie Donnelly and he can take inspiration from the way Mattie kicked on this season. McKenna is certainly capable of being a good option for Tyrone.

Will be interesting to see how the SON experiment goes. His career post 2008 has been very frustrating indeed. Some wonderful performances but more often than not they were in league games. By the time the serious stuff came around each summer he was almost always injured. The Tyrone of 2008 knew they weren't going to have SON (and that Mugsy was off form) which meant Mickey had to look for different options. Hence the move of Cavanagh to full forward and a run of games for other guys who needed to step up to the plate. Colm McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan in particular did just that.

We have never had the same since as the team always prepared for the championship in expectation of SON being the main man, then ended up without him. Hasn't been a proper plan B. My own opinion - and I know most won't agree - is that it might actually have been no bad thing had SON retired. Magnificent player and servant, but the situation of the past few seasons has been of no use to him or Tyrone and I reckon it's probably held back a few other players who would otherwise got more of a run. This solution of leaving him for the league then introducing him for the summer might just work though, give others a chance in the league to really stake a claim and then have a hopefully fully fit SON for the big games in the summer. Here's hoping.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on December 20, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
I have always said that whenever Shane Hagan plays well ;Clonoe play well.When i seen him in action against Omagh in Dunmoyle i preached that Clonoe would win.I told everyone bar Micky Harte.Shane Hagan gets my vote!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on December 23, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
I have always said that whenever Shane Hagan plays well ;Clonoe play well.When i seen him in action against Omagh in Dunmoyle i preached that Clonoe would win.I told everyone bar Micky Harte.Shane Hagan gets my vote!

Ok Shane thanks for that
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on December 25, 2013, 08:50:57 AM
No Richard Donnelly in the squad is very dissapointing
One of the best players in Tyrone, exactly what we need. Can will ball at midfield or full forward.

Why would he even need a trial is clearly good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 25, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
Is Richie Donnelly not injured? Heard he done knee few months ago - has missed all UUJ games to date I believe and all tyrone trials.

Can't be picked on squad if not available through injury!

Squad looks light but should be ok for McKenna cup. Would have liked to have seen Shane O'Hagan, Padraig McNulty, Rory Brennan, ruari Loughran get a sustained run to see what they are made of....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on December 25, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
This is the second or third time that I have heard Shane O Hagans name mentioned re Tyrone, like Donnelly, O Hagan is injured and after an op.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 08:29:29 AM
Full McKenna Cup panel here; http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2013/12/tyrone-mckenna-cup-panel-2014/

Good to see Niall McKenna getting another crack at it. Same vintage as Mattie Donnelly and he can take inspiration from the way Mattie kicked on this season. McKenna is certainly capable of being a good option for Tyrone.

Will be interesting to see how the SON experiment goes. His career post 2008 has been very frustrating indeed. Some wonderful performances but more often than not they were in league games. By the time the serious stuff came around each summer he was almost always injured. The Tyrone of 2008 knew they weren't going to have SON (and that Mugsy was off form) which meant Mickey had to look for different options. Hence the move of Cavanagh to full forward and a run of games for other guys who needed to step up to the plate. Colm McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan in particular did just that.

We have never had the same since as the team always prepared for the championship in expectation of SON being the main man, then ended up without him. Hasn't been a proper plan B. My own opinion - and I know most won't agree - is that it might actually have been no bad thing had SON retired. Magnificent player and servant, but the situation of the past few seasons has been of no use to him or Tyrone and I reckon it's probably held back a few other players who would otherwise got more of a run. This solution of leaving him for the league then introducing him for the summer might just work though, give others a chance in the league to really stake a claim and then have a hopefully fully fit SON for the big games in the summer. Here's hoping.

Poor SONs career hasn't been the same since the beginning of 2006 when he started getting bother with the knee and hamstring.  Real shame.  Why is Mickey Harte so reluctant to bring young talent into the squad straight from minor level?  I see other counties such as Dublin/Mayo/Kerry who have no problem firing a talented minor or two into senior action as soon as possible.  In Tyrone, you are lucky if you see any of the top minors for a few years and to be honest this policy doesn't seem to be working.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
I think the Micky Harte back in 2003 would have been more likely to take in young players if they were good enough. I think he was more of a risk taker back then but like most managers who have been in the job for a long time, he has become a lot more serious and it's harder to impress him now I think.
Unless you totally buy into his ethos of defensive play then I reckon it will be harder for you to make the team.
Look how much leeway he used to give players like Mugsy back in the early days. He said you have to give space to people being individuals but maybe I'm wrong but I don't thing that leeway would be given now. Players like Penrose for example have had to completely change their style of play to become a much more hard working tracking back forward. Mark Donnelly as well used to play at FF in his first season but sure you hardly ever see him get a shot in these days.

I know loads of you don't like the soccer comparison but I'm an Everton fan and the difference in the mood in the Everton camp ever since dull predicatble Moyes moved on and Martinez has come in, is unbelievable. Players like Seamus Coleman from Killybegs have vastly improved as he's no longer scared to make mistakes. He's enjoyed playing football again and has scored 5 goals already this season.
I think Jim Gavin brought that type of lift back into Dublin last year. He brought in a good few young lads with pace and they had the Dub fans on the edge of their seats watching their games.
I know we had a lot of injuries AGAIN last year but I hope to see a lot more of Coney, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and a few new faces this year.
I'd say a lot of young lads think why should I train with Tyrone all year and not have any chance of a game and then also not play any club football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
I think the Micky Harte back in 2003 would have been more likely to take in young players if they were good enough. I think he was more of a risk taker back then but like most managers who have been in the job for a long time, he has become a lot more serious and it's harder to impress him now I think.
Unless you totally buy into his ethos of defensive play then I reckon it will be harder for you to make the team.
Look how much leeway he used to give players like Mugsy back in the early days. He said you have to give space to people being individuals but maybe I'm wrong but I don't thing that leeway would be given now. Players like Penrose for example have had to completely change their style of play to become a much more hard working tracking back forward. Mark Donnelly as well used to play at FF in his first season but sure you hardly ever see him get a shot in these days.

I know loads of you don't like the soccer comparison but I'm an Everton fan and the difference in the mood in the Everton camp ever since dull predicatble Moyes moved on and Martinez has come in, is unbelievable. Players like Seamus Coleman from Killybegs have vastly improved as he's no longer scared to make mistakes. He's enjoyed playing football again and has scored 5 goals already this season.
I think Jim Gavin brought that type of lift back into Dublin last year. He brought in a good few young lads with pace and they had the Dub fans on the edge of their seats watching their games.
I know we had a lot of injuries AGAIN last year but I hope to see a lot more of Coney, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey and a few new faces this year.
I'd say a lot of young lads think why should I train with Tyrone all year and not have any chance of a game and then also not play any club football.

Spot on Fuzz, Tyrones corner forwards are more likely to run out towards the half forward line and recycle the ball than take a man on and go for goal.  This is obviously the template Harte has them playing to and its all about efficiency etc and playing the percentages but it completely eradicates flair.  You only have to look at the zero goal threat Tyrone have in Championship football the past few years.  I would hope that the black card and attacking football shown by Dublin would maybe push Harte to take the shackles off a bit but I doubt it.  It really is time for a change, I'm sure a lot of us can predict how this season will pan out. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 03, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 03, 2014, 02:30:51 PM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.

But the thing about last year is that you new we were never going to win the league or championship.  It was more of a 'hope we don't get hammered' mentality in a lot of the big games.  Mickey Harte is the best Tyrone manager of all time, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan B and most of the Country has known our plan A inside out for 5 years now.  The nature of the game calls for changes both at player and management level.  I don't buy into this argument either about 'who will replace him'?  Mickey Harte wasn't a saviour when taking over the Tyrone job, while Jim McGuiness, Pat Gilroy, James Horan or Jim Gavin weren't managers with great reputations before they took over the reigns at Senior inter-couty level.  There are potentially great managers out there. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 09, 2014, 10:49:12 AM
I see Conan Grugan was playing last Sunday v Donegal and he's named in the Irish Indo's players to watch this year.
What do people think of him from his club performances last year and will he be able to push his way into the starting team this year or is he still a bit too young? Is he the same age as Clarke?

With Niall McKenna also pushing to get back into the team will there be much more competition this year for a midfield role?



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 09, 2014, 10:55:52 AM
I fancy Grugan to nail down a starting 15 spot this season either at 10 or 12. Quality footballer. Will take time to adapt, and needs a clear run from injury. In the mould of a Ger Cavlan type footballer. Can drift in & out of games, but when he's good - he's very good.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 09, 2014, 10:58:42 AM
Yeah and I'm sure we'll hear a raft of "how dare you question Mickey" and who else would you bring in, which is true. The fact that he got us to the AI semi last year and a Div 1 league final probably adds to the argument that he has us playing well to a system that suits the players so why change it?

The main thing I wish for in 2014 is to return to NOT playing a sweeper as it changes the whole dynamic of the game. It leads to short kick outs and slow build up from the back. Nobody wants to risk a long kick pass as possession is king.

But the thing about last year is that you new we were never going to win the league or championship.  It was more of a 'hope we don't get hammered' mentality in a lot of the big games.  Mickey Harte is the best Tyrone manager of all time, but there doesn't seem to be much of a plan B and most of the Country has known our plan A inside out for 5 years now.  The nature of the game calls for changes both at player and management level.  I don't buy into this argument either about 'who will replace him'?  Mickey Harte wasn't a saviour when taking over the Tyrone job, while Jim McGuiness, Pat Gilroy, James Horan or Jim Gavin weren't managers with great reputations before they took over the reigns at Senior inter-couty level. There are potentially great managers out there.

Any potentially great managers out there should have some sort of a sucessful track record.

Harte, McGuiness and Gavin were all successful underage (minor / u-21) and graduated to senior with those players.
Danny Ball didn't get the Tyrone job early enough with his 2 u-21 teams but the next Tyrone man to sucessfully manage an u-21 team should be allowed to carry through to Senior. Same goes for a minor winning manager he should get the opportunity at u-21.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 09, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
I see Tommy Canavan kicked 1-3 last night for St Marys. Was he at the trials in November?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: stalwart on January 09, 2014, 02:17:13 PM
anybody thinks that kyle coney would make the slightest difference to tyrone is deluded
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on January 09, 2014, 02:18:45 PM
anybody thinks that kyle coney would make the slightest difference to tyrone is deluded

I concur.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 09, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
Why the forgeone views on Coney?  Had a bad run with injuries the past two years but was he not flying and our top scorer in Division 2 two years ago?  I admit I haven't seen a lot of him, but is the chances of him being a big player for Tyrone completely out of the question? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 15, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
1. N Morgan 2. A McCrory 3. R McNamee 4. B Tierney 5. C McGinley 6. P Harte 7. R McNabb 8. D McBride  9. C Grugan 10. E McKenna 11. S McGuigan 12. PJ Lavery 13. P McNiece 14. Mattie Donnelly 15. R O'Neill

Good to see Ronan McNabb back. If fit would walk straight into my starting 15.

Ronan McNamee at full back will be interesting. Looked very comfortable there at underage, although with the McMahons & Conor Clarke about I don't think he will be played there this year.

McBride gets an opportunity in Midfield. Strong enough looking side.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 15, 2014, 02:24:23 PM
Meant to say, for those that cant attend the matches for whatever reason - Tyrones first NFL game against Derry in Celtic park is televised live. Saturday fortnight.

http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
Meant to say, for those that cant attend the matches for whatever reason - Tyrones first NFL game against Derry in Celtic park is televised live. Saturday fortnight.

http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/

Hmm? Can this be obtained in pubs. Our dinner dance is that night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 21, 2014, 10:29:22 AM
Good enough news on the injury front in todays press then. Sean & Colm Cavanagh plus Mark Donnelly likely to be available for the trip to Celtic Park against Derry.
That's good news considering Derry seemed to overpower our Midfield the last day. Colm Cavanagh has been much maligned on this board in the past, but we were crying out for his size & presence towards the end last Sunday.

Derry probably took more encouragement from Sundays game than we did. With Cailean oBoyle & Chrissy McKaigue to come in, plus our horrible record in Celtic Pk as well, its sure to be a difficult game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 21, 2014, 02:49:54 PM
That is good news as Sean no doubt will be one of our top scorers again this year if he can stay fit.
What about the others that are injured like the 2 McMahons & Gormley?
It would be great to see McNabb get a run of games injury free.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 21, 2014, 03:21:34 PM
Sketchy enough details yet Fuzz
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/25820648

Good to see McNabb back surely but he was subbed at half time. I can only presume he picked up a knock or an injury

No mention of Martin Penrose or Aidan Cassidy to date. Cassidy would have been a good option at Midfield even for 20+ minutes. Penrose will struggle to get playing time now I think, him and Kyle Coney have slipped well down the pecking order. Coney is close to a comeback, but having missed the McKenna cup I cant see where he will even get an opportunity now. There are too many men ahead in the pecking order
Take Grugan last year. On club form he looked like a starting 15 man, in the in house games mugsy said he stuck out like a sore thumb - best player in the two games he attended - yet he never seen 1 minutes action because he was injured during last years McKenna cup. Mickey doesn't t**ker too much from here on in, especially if the team is going reasonably well.

Dan McNulty hasn't made the bench since the Queens game, I wonder is he injured?

In theory Harte must have a panel of 38, possibly 39 men. I wouldn't be at all suprised if we announce a retirement yet. SON & Gormley are both keeping a low profile almost non comittal, and Justys hamstring problems don't ever seem to let up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 21, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
I think Harte likes Coney though, came out of nowhere last summer and got a few minutes here and there when there were other boys who didn't get a sniff.  Same with Ronan O'Neill.  As for Cassidy, he is too injury prone and at this stage would be better off the panel.  What is the craic with Justy?  Constantly injured since 2010, always seems to be the hamstrings.  Mad that it still hasn't been sorted out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on January 21, 2014, 06:45:08 PM
its definetely going to be hard for some of the older players to slot back into the equation come march/april if theyve missed all the preseason training with the squad..one thing that struck me about tyrone on sunday was the pace of most players..do the mcmahons fit into that type of game..justy hasnt featured now for a few years tbh, are his days numbered? i was thinking the same thing - could we see a few more retirements !!!
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Post by: sam03/05 on January 21, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
time for Justy to pack it in, good player in 2008 - has done nothing since, constantly injured.
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Post by: sensethetone on January 22, 2014, 09:06:01 AM
some of the tyrone players are always carrying injuries, son, k coney, mc nabb, a cassidy, justy, d carlin, big joe as soon as they're fit everyone is like they should be on
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Post by: supersarsfields on January 22, 2014, 09:12:47 AM
I wouldn't be so quick to rule Justy out. If he can get fit (I know that's a big if) he's still one of the best markers we have. And we're not blessed with good defenders at the minute.
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Post by: nrico2006 on January 22, 2014, 09:21:46 AM
Wouyld love to see Justy fit again, he was brilliant in 2008 and 2009 but that was a long time ago now.
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Post by: Fuzzman on January 22, 2014, 12:03:55 PM
I'm glad to hear lads talking about pace in the current teams being fielded.
I think it's one area where we've been lacking in the last few years although Mickey did address it a bit last year with Ryan McKenna and McGinley in defence.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: dulaman on January 22, 2014, 12:51:20 PM
I see the u21 team beat Leitrim seniors last night with some decent performances. Some handy players in that squad that should be pushing for senior places over the next year or so. Reckon tyrone Football will be on a high again for the next few years with the number of younger players coming through. Exciting times
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Post by: EastTyrone on January 22, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
I can't see Coney making an impact this year even if he does get over his injury. In my opinion Patrick McNiece seems to be fit and able this year and I can see him making a championship 15 this year.
As for the return of the Cavanaghs, It is great to get Sean back to the panel but i would love to see more of Nial Mckenna in midfield and also try to get Conan Grugan a starting spot.
Also heard a rumor that Penrose could be taking his retirement but as I said this is only a rumor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 22, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
I'd say Penrose if fed up chasing men around his own defence and never getting the glory of scores any more. He looked very frustrated v Monaghan last year and not just with that wee wasp Mone.
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Post by: Up The Middle on January 22, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
Penrose should be happy with getting a jersey, he is a great tackler and thats about the end of it, hes got serious pace but doesnt use it and his finishing and passing are really erratic.
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Post by: under the bar on January 22, 2014, 05:46:36 PM
Penrose has pretty much the full deck as to what you'd want a footballer to have - pace, timing, tackling etc but for some reason he seems to panic just as he's about to shoot!   And why does he always try to burst the back of the net?  Calm down son! 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 22, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
I can't see Coney making an impact this year even if he does get over his injury. In my opinion Patrick McNiece seems to be fit and able this year and I can see him making a championship 15 this year.
As for the return of the Cavanaghs, It is great to get Sean back to the panel but i would love to see more of Nial Mckenna in midfield and also try to get Conan Grugan a starting spot.
Also heard a rumor that Penrose could be taking his retirement but as I said this is only a rumor.

Hopefully colm cavanagh gets more of a break from tyrone supporters this year. Proved in the quarter and semis last year that he was more than worth his place. Grugan and McKenna are both good on the ball and decent players but struggled badly to win possession last Sunday against what may not even be Derrys first choice midfield. I don't think colm is a guaranteed starter this year but tyrone do need that kind of work rate around the middle.
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Post by: rrhf on January 23, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 10:27:40 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.

rrhf bit of a mixed message, for his club last year your right in saying he was probably the best performing midfielder in the club championship.  Moy dominated midfield in all their games, obviously Ryan Mellon played his part and isn't a bad partner to back a man up.  As for Tyrone, Colm is well worth his place, in fact there is nobody in the county even to put up a challenge.  McKenna has certain qualities but doesn't have the physical presence.  I've seen Colm play against McKenna in the past and it wasn't even a contest, Colm dominated him.  Cassidy has been in and out but lacks mobility.  Micky Harte has deployed Colm as a defensive midfielder and his role seems to be to put himself about and break up the momentum of the opposition.  In my opinion Colm Cavanagh is the best fielder in the county ahead of Sean.  Hope to see him back for the league as he continues to mature as an inter-county footballer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 23, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Colm is a nice fellow and thought of very highly among supporters for he is liketh a young bounding gazelle, and last year probably was the best club midfielder in Tyrone ahead of his brother Sean .  Its a glass half full half empty debate though.  In his biggest and best game last year again Mayo he played that hospital ball to Petie Harte and Harte ended up in hospital.  He then clattered Gormley and took him out with sheer awkwardness to leave the way open for the penalty... Goal!!!  The nickname "Colm the clatter" is unfair, as it was pure exuberance and maybe the two main reasons why Tyrone lost.  We have been here now and its time to learn.  Even on a good day such clattering can really be important factors in Tyrone losing games.  He deserves his panel place more than anyone though. I think one year on If Tyrone had better footballers on the field they would have won last years all Ireland.  Now we have so lets stick with it and not break it up just yet.   This years team is flying lets not change it too much to accommodate last years players, and if we are honest some of them boys last year were not good enough to start an all ireland final.   There is no need to change just yet as hey stop the pony we are winning.  If you disagree with all these big winning margins can you suggest what an appropriate winning margin might be before you would be happy to stick with the team that are winning.  Give the young boys the chance.

rrhf bit of a mixed message, for his club last year your right in saying he was probably the best performing midfielder in the club championship.  Moy dominated midfield in all their games, obviously Ryan Mellon played his part and isn't a bad partner to back a man up.  As for Tyrone, Colm is well worth his place, in fact there is nobody in the county even to put up a challenge.  McKenna has certain qualities but doesn't have the physical presence.  I've seen Colm play against McKenna in the past and it wasn't even a contest, Colm dominated him.  Cassidy has been in and out but lacks mobility.  Micky Harte has deployed Colm as a defensive midfielder and his role seems to be to put himself about and break up the momentum of the opposition.  In my opinion Colm Cavanagh is the best fielder in the county ahead of Sean.  Hope to see him back for the league as he continues to mature as an inter-county footballer.

As I said before, Ronan Lafferty is probably the best fielder and most physical midfielder in the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on January 23, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Do we really have anyone that could compete with MDMA in MF. I personally think we don't.
That's the benchmark.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.

Put Colm Dorris in a hop ball with Colm Cavanagh I know who I would have my money on.  Colm Dorris is a quality player but plays half forward and is targeted by Clonoe with most of their kickouts.  So he would be fielding against a half back most of the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM
Do we really have anyone that could compete with MDMA in MF. I personally think we don't.
That's the benchmark.

I don't think we have anyone that has the work rate MDMA brings to a game.  He is box to box for the full 70mins.  He does set the benchmark id agree there especially after this year.  It does help that he has Cluxton hitting him with perfect balls 70/80% of the time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on January 23, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
The best fielder in the county bar none is Colm Doris. He has given some exhibitions of fielding over the years.

Put Colm Dorris in a hop ball with Colm Cavanagh I know who I would have my money on.  Colm Dorris is a quality player but plays half forward and is targeted by Clonoe with most of their kickouts.  So he would be fielding against a half back most of the time.

Pity there isn't a pile of hop balls in a game
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on January 24, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
To those people who are criticising Colm Kavanagh . I beseech you to stay at home and play some board game preferably snakes and ladders.Big Kavanagh is one of the top players in the county and the club championship highlighted that in abundance.
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Post by: smort on January 24, 2014, 10:00:27 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 24, 2014, 10:18:45 AM
He was very poor against Carrickmore after a strong first 10 and midfield is far from Carmens strong point. He is a good player but far he is a long way from the best club midfielder in Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on January 24, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
To be honest Colm is one of the first names id put on the teamsheet. He's by no means MDMA but he is in my opinion one of the top 2 all round midfielders we have available in the county
We might have better fielders of the ball than him, we might have more mobile midfielders, we might have better ball playing midfielders etc, but when you take all those characteristics and average them out - he is deserving of starting 15 place. Its up to some of the younger lads now to try and take that No.8 jersey off him

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on January 24, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
I have not seen anybody gutsier than big Colly.I am an admirer of footballers who are not afraid to put in a bit of welly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on January 24, 2014, 12:00:52 PM
i'd start colly k i know he tries to catch the ball with one hand and with the black card he could get sent off handy enough but when playing his best he's a very good footballer, goals he scored againist cork and monaghan were brilliant.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 24, 2014, 10:26:25 PM
With colum we know he is good. I think we have to let others develop to that level.  We done the same with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 24, 2014, 10:35:45 PM
I've a feeling he'll try Sean in the forwards for a game or 2 so there may be at least one midfield position free for part of the league. From what I've seen so far in the McKenna cup grugan or Mcbride could be best to fill it. Definitely interested to see how Mcbride gets on tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on January 25, 2014, 12:10:49 PM
McKenna was an extremely good minor. I would like to see him get a run of games now after is break to see how he goes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: washed_up on January 25, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
is the game being streamed anywhere tonight??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 29, 2014, 04:39:24 PM
Can anyone give me an update on the squad.
Which of the more experienced lads will be back for the league?

Who do you see as our corner backs this year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2014, 10:06:34 PM
Can anyone give me an update on the squad.
Which of the more experienced lads will be back for the league?

Who do you see as our corner backs this year?

News from the squad seems to be quiet enough. I suspect a one or two more experienced may be involved on Saturday and the rest eased back in as the league goes on.

There's no doubt that the full back line could be our biggest weakness and an area that we could struggle in. Looking at the squad and assuming given his age Gormley is only an option at half back the options for corner back seem to be:
McRory
PJ Quinn
Tierney
McKenna
McNamee
Carlin
We will miss McCarron this year as he was solid enough in one of the positions. Looking at the above I'm not totally convinced with the options. Carlin hasn't nailed down a place there previously so unlikey to now. PJ is a good option but struggles with injuries. McRory is quick and big and reasonably sticky but he has always just been to clean and stands off too much. I'm not sure if he can improve this at this stage of his career. I'd like to see Tierney get a few games. He stuck to Clarke rightly versus Armagh though Clarke always beat him to he ball and looked very dangerous. He seems sticky to stick to his man but could lack the power at the top level and could be easily turned when over commits.

Harte may need to think again about who to play here but there doesn't seem to be many options around the county. Looking at the squad there isn't a huge number of options that could be converted. McGinley is quick and big enough but could have the same problems as McRory in the postion.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 04, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
Any word of how the Tyrone Under 21s are getting on? I believe that they are playing friendlies recently but haven't heard any reports.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 05, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
I thought Tierney did well on Sat. Was he marking Kielt for most of the game?
We looked very open but I wonder is Mickey purposely leaving it like that to get each man used to marking his own man again and not relying on a sweeper to give them cover. A sweeper can give defenders a false sense of security I suppose whereas if every man is responsible for his own man not getting scores from play then you can see who's doing their job and who isn't.

I'd expect McKenna to get back in to the corner this weekend and maybe Tierney keep his place.
I hope Grugan continues to play most games and maybe him and Colm can form a new partnership there. We all say it every year but I really would love to see Big Sean at the edge of the square this year. I know he gives so much more to the team with his direct strong running but with these new rules surely a full back would have a nightmare marking him without pulling him down. The FB would have to be very careful not to get a black card and so Sean could get space to make high. I expect a lot more kick passing into our FF line this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 05, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
Any of the Clonoe posters on here know whats happening with Daniel McNulty? Surprised how little game time he has seen so far, so I can only presume he is injured. Super prospect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 05, 2014, 12:08:56 PM
I saw him at the McKenna cup game with Derry and he appeared to be limping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on February 05, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
Any of the Clonoe posters on here know whats happening with Daniel McNulty? Surprised how little game time he has seen so far, so I can only presume he is injured. Super prospect.

He has a back injury as far as im aware. Serious talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 05, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Any word of how the Tyrone Under 21s are getting on? I believe that they are playing friendlies recently but haven't heard any reports.

They played Antrim in the Cremartin Cup last Sat in Glenmornan- the home of football- and won 1.10 to 0.4. However it was that wet I only watched 10 mins do hard to gauge anything.

I think they are away to Louth this Friday. 
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Post by: orangeman on February 09, 2014, 11:17:11 PM
The evolution of Tyrone

Saturday, February 08, 2014

ALLIANZ FL DIV 1:
Tyrone v Mayo

When the time comes to review this decade of football, and in turn the validity of Kerry’s 10-point win over Tyrone in July 2012, just how dimly will history view that qualifier in Killarney?



By John Fogarty
Replaced by Donegal and Dublin at the top of the heap, was this merely a pair of has-beens slugging it out for pittance off the strip? A lot of Kerry supporters and a handful of their players convinced themselves it was a win more than its true worth as the Tyrone following strenuously played it down when their team’s season had climaxed for Donegal and fell away thereafter.

Despite the billing, the game was less than it appeared, but then neither was it a false dawn for the hosts or a false dusk for the visitors. 13 months later and the headline pugilists of the 2000s had reached All-Ireland semi-finals off campaigns that could be believed in.

Fast forward to last week and the parallels between the counties continue. In their opener against Dublin, much was made of Kerry fielding a team without a player who started a winning All-Ireland final. That same evening in Derry, Mickey Harte did exactly the same as Eamonn Fitzmaurice.

Enda McGinley, one of only six men who began all three of Tyrone’s September successes, watched on excitedly as much as with a sense of relief.

“I don’t think until now there has been a proper wave of new players since the original group. Every year there has been a couple of new players coming through.

“The McKenna Cup this year was the first time a team has been fielded without a significant element of the main bunch, those that came through minor and U21s for the ’03, ’05 and ’08 successes. I’d have seen that bunch as the same generation.

“There is a strong feelgood factor in the county. The injuries and unavailability of senior players, I think, has worked into Mickey’s hands and in a way forced him to give the young players free reign and believe this is very much their team now.

“It’s probably shown it’s time now to put the faith in the new players. Rather than when it was a sprinkling of new players with a majority of senior players, we might now see it other way around — a team full of young players getting the best out of a sprinkling of senior players.”

Club Tyrone’s Mark Conway smiles when it’s put to him the county’s fourth coming is beckoning.

“To re-coin a phrase, ‘we never went away’,” he says tongue-in-cheek. “The greatest crop of minors we ever produced was in ’97 and ’98 and Tyrone arrogance would say no other county has produced a batch like that at the one time. Six years later the bulk of them won the first All-Ireland senior title.

“Time will tell but we thought our minor team of 2008 was an exceptional team. Out of that team now you have Niall McKenna, Paddy McNeice, Matthew Donnelly and Ronan McNabb. Of the 2010 minor team you have the likes of Ronan O’Neill and Conor Clarke. This team has won nothing yet but if they do it won’t be much of a surprise because there is a bit of a pedigree there.”

McGinley is concerned, though, by the size of the shadow cast by the teams he featured on. The constant harking back to what was achieved in that glittering six-year period, he warns, could debilitate the current crop.

“One nagging thing — and I think it’s an Irish one — I’m hearing time and time again is that this group is not the same as the group I was part of. That’s a very false comparison to make. When we were coming together in 2002 and ’03 our group wasn’t recognised as particularly special.

“People are believing we were something we weren’t. We’re becoming better footballers in retirement. It’s an unfair comparison. The footballers now are expected to be the finished article at the start of their careers.

“The game has become youthful. The time to shine is from the ages of 21 to 24 but with that there has be to an element of patience too. I’d just like to see the idea that we were this out-of-this-world bunch of footballers knocked on the head.”

What this Tyrone team can only beat is what is put in front of them. For the past three seasons, they have been presented with Donegal but found each time their eyes bigger than their bellies.

The possibility of an Ulster final date with their neighbours is one to relish, although it is a long way off, and Tyrone must make it there the long way with a preliminary round date with Down in mid-May.

“It’s nearly like a tidal thing,” argues McGinley. “One team, Donegal, has been on a high and the other on a low. Tyrone would be very confident that their lull will be relatively short. Even the year Donegal won the All-Ireland, Tyrone weren’t that far off them.

“Last year in Ballybofey was tough to take but Tyrone would be happier with how the Championship went. Donegal peaked for the Tyrone match but Tyrone peaked later in the season.

“Donegal are approaching this year differently but Mickey has injected more pace and freshness into the team. There is still doubt about whether we can beat the top teams, but there is confidence in the camp that they can. The experience of losing close games and that wee bit of match management will help. Nothing’s a done deal but it feels as if it’s a new journey.”

A new journey but with the same captain at the helm. Harte remains the one true constant, this his 23rd consecutive year involved with a Tyrone county team and 12th with the seniors.

Several managers with designs on succeeding him have been foiled by his enthusiasm to stay in the role, but then such is the good faith he has generated that nobody would dare raise their head above the parapet to question him.

Harte is no daw, either. If there is another golden generation to harvest, why vacate? Besides, few in the county would suggest there is anyone better positioned to do so.

“I’m very biased but I just think he’s the man,” says Conway. “Nobody, not even Mick O’Dwyer has a track record like him. He has All-Irelands and Ulster titles at senior, minor and U21. He’s won the National League and the Ulster minor league. Every school team he took charge of won their Tyrone, Ulster and All-Ireland title.

“At club level he’s won the Tyrone and Ulster championships and I think the only thing he hasn’t won as a manager is the All-Ireland club title with Errigal Ciarán.”

What’s certain now is Tyrone, as they face a rematch with their 2013 semi-final victors Mayo tomorrow, are far removed from Killarney 2012. For one, just six of the team that took the field in Fitzgerald Stadium start in Omagh.

“It’s something you always want to avoid but somewhere in your mind and heart, you know it’s coming,” recalls McGinley of the game. “It was perfectly set-up for Kerry, the cards were stacked up in their favour. These things happen.

“The most important thing now is there are plenty of good days and huge potential in the county and it’s starting to gather momentum.”
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 10, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
Thanks for posting that Orangeman.
Interesting that for the second season in a row Kerry are off to a bad start with 2 defeats and Tyrone are off to a good start.
Kerry's new forward O'Donoghue seems a real gem and apparently has that arrogance that good forwards need to succeed.
I hope McCurry, Ron, McAliskey & Mattie can all stay fit for the summer as they need a good run to get them established. McCurry is on fire at the moment and seems to have that wee bit of arrogance also which keeps him sharp. He seems to be really enjoying his football and the exuberance of youth make a young player like that electric to watch.
Was delighted to see Mattie ramming my words down my throat yesterday as he looked much sharper around the square.
 
I for one am delighted with the way Mickey has the team playing again and hope he keeps it up for the whole season.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on February 11, 2014, 01:46:56 PM
You'd have to credit Harte for continually adapting and changing how his teams play, it's a rare enough thing among managers. If you look at Joe Kernan, Pete McGrath, even McGuinness, they all had their one style which didn't change much over their careers. The developed hugely successful styles but didn't upgrade it when they should have.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 11, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
It was a blessing in disuise to have SON, Gormley and Cavanagh etc injured this year.  Enda's article hit the spot when he said that over the past few years that youth was never really given a chance, that you had the odd newbie in here and there but this year has seen a complete shift in policy and irrelevant of what happens this year the Tyrone team of two or three years time will reap the rewards of the game time the younger players are getting now.  As I said lots of times before when people say that the new players arent up to the mark of the old ones, the Tyrone players from the golden age were not seen as potential triple sam winners in when they burst onto the scene from 2000- 2002.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on February 11, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Ok who are the managers of the senior clubs for the year?

Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ?
Dromore ?
Omagh ?
Augher ?
Eglish ?
Strabane ?
Eskra ?
Killyclogher ?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 11, 2014, 04:03:14 PM
Ok who are the managers of the senior clubs for the year?

Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ? Brian McGuckin and Richard Thornton
Dromore ? Audi Kelly and Paul Rouse
Omagh ? Larry Strain
Augher ? Colm McCaughey
Eglish ?
Strabane ? Palor McNulty
Eskra ? Paul Feeney and Archie Beattie
Killyclogher ? Kieran Howe



I heard Cricko isn't with Moortown this year - it's Paddy McGuckin I think. Others added in italics going on different speculation / bullshit

Eglish manager is your fella clarke,ronan clarkes father who was over carmen a few years back,adrian is it??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on February 11, 2014, 04:13:03 PM


Ardboe          Seamus Doyle/Barry Dillon
Moy              Niall O'Neill/Brian Taggart
Donaghmore Sean Mc Cabe
Errigal          Ronan Mc Guckian
Clonoe          Damian Cassidy
Carrickmore  Brian Gromley
Moortown      Chris Lawn
Cookstown    John Mc Keever
Coalisland ? Brian McGuckin and Richard Thornton
Dromore ? Audi Kelly and Paul Rouse
Omagh ?    Larry Strain
Augher ?    Colm McCaughey
Eglish ?         Adrian Clarke
Strabane ? Palor McNulty
Eskra ?      Paul Feeney and Archie Beattie
Killyclogher ? Kieran Howe

Brian Mc Guckian, a cousin fo Ronans?

Draws for the championship tonight. They would need to give dates for the first round to be fair to the clubs. Hopefully the performance of the CCC will be well improved fom last years show.




I heard Cricko isn't with Moortown this year - it's Paddy McGuckin I think. Others added in italics going on different speculation / bullshit
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 11, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
i heard Feeney isnt back with Eskra this year, but not sure if theres any truth in that.

hasn't been much chat about the draw, it really should be hyped a wee bit more to build a bit of anticipation for the championship.
Even if it was drawn the night before the first round of league games, that would create a bit of a buzz for the start of the leagues aswell.

Not sure why its so early this year, they must need to know the championship pairings to plan the league fixtures?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 11, 2014, 04:33:33 PM
I can 100% confirm paul feeney is back with eskra,chatting to a player at weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on February 11, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
What about D2 and D3 managers. I heard Killeeshil's championship winning manager, Seamie McCallion isnt returning due to family reasons. Dutchy is the man in charge this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 12, 2014, 12:38:02 PM
 ??? ??? ??? THREAD POLICE!!!

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 13, 2014, 11:23:34 PM
Any of the Clonoe lads hear what the craic is regarding Dan McNulty's injury? Would be great to see him get a run out in the league for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
Thoughts on this article?

I’VE READ and heard so many times over the past year or so about people singing the praises of Tyrone’s training and GAA complex at Garvaghey. And rightly so in some respects, as it took great vision and leadership to make such a bold leap, a bit like the development of Croke Park in many ways.
But the fact is that there’s an awful lot of work to be done up there if they are to make it a really top notch set-up.
Yes, it’s a great facility, but the first big mistake they made was with the location. When you’re standing at Garvaghey and looking around you at eye level, there’s a reason why the only thing you see are wind turbines. Even on the hottest day of summer I still think there’d be a wind up there, testing conditions, and that makes it hugely difficult to try and get good preparations in when accurate passing is such a key aspect of your game.
Yes, there are trees planted and the likes which should in the long term help to shelter the place a bit from the elements, but that’s 30 years down the line and global warming might have taken care of the problem by then anyway!
What it is sorely missing is an indoor arena. You look at what is in Lavey, or the Meadowvale in Magherafelt and at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena in Cookstown. It’s an indoor pitch where you are sheltered from the elements, where Mickey Harte or any other coach could take his players for a session, or for stretching, or anything else they wanted to do without sending the players out into the sort of arctic conditions we’ve seen in recent weeks.
You look at the building, which looks great from above, but realistically who is going to see it from above and the shape of the Celtic ‘T’? Unless you’re in your private helicopter or plane, or you’re a bird, then it’s not really going to make that much of a difference to you. What it has meant is that for the sake of a fancy architectural design, we have a building which doesn’t have a single square room or straightforward corner, everything a mix-up of odd shapes.
There should be a big hall where teams can operate, do circuits or gym work or whatever they have to do, but it was sacrificed for an auditorium. When I was there, it seemed like the gym equipment had all just been piled into the one room. There is no specific gym lay-out, instead the equipment all crammed into a room which was originally intended for storage.
It’s a great place for seminars, for county board meetings, and the administrative offices and board room look really well. But at the end of the day this is supposed to be a place for training and developing footballers to help them be the best that they can be. Is it focused on admin or on the players?
At the minute, I would actually say that it trails behind Derry’s new Owenbeg complex from a player’s point of view. It’s a start, a solid start, but there is so much more that could be done and needs to be done. The next challenge to the Tyrone fraternity is to make that happen.
I think it’s all part of a bigger picture for Tyrone GAA. It frustrates me every time I hear or read about the good work which Tyrone people are doing elsewhere, with other counties benefiting from their experience and their expertise.
Take Peter Donnelly for example. He’s getting huge credit for the work he is doing with Cavan, a real driving force behind their emergence as a real footballing powerhouse again. He’s going around schools, working with their development squads, and working with the senior team to help get the very best out of them. He’s even going to meet up with players at their universities for one-to-one sessions to work on particular aspects of their game.
But he’s doing it with Cavan, not with Tyrone. We should be bending over backwards to get men like that involved in our county set-ups. There is certainly the opportunity for him to be working with Tyrone.
We can see Cavan and other counties like Dublin who are constantly moving forward, but are we in Tyrone standing still? It’s areas like these where investment should be made, and it frustrates me when I see money being forked out on stupid things. I’ve seen that Donnelly has gone as far as visiting the training facilities of some of the top sports clubs in Europe, drawing on their expertise. Who are we sending to Bayern Munich training to see what we can learn from it? There is so much there that could be done, and we’re not doing it. It’s time for some outside the box thinking.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 16, 2014, 03:02:46 PM
Thoughts on this article?

I’VE READ and heard so many times over the past year or so about people singing the praises of Tyrone’s training and GAA complex at Garvaghey. And rightly so in some respects, as it took great vision and leadership to make such a bold leap, a bit like the development of Croke Park in many ways.
But the fact is that there’s an awful lot of work to be done up there if they are to make it a really top notch set-up.
Yes, it’s a great facility, but the first big mistake they made was with the location. When you’re standing at Garvaghey and looking around you at eye level, there’s a reason why the only thing you see are wind turbines. Even on the hottest day of summer I still think there’d be a wind up there, testing conditions, and that makes it hugely difficult to try and get good preparations in when accurate passing is such a key aspect of your game.
Yes, there are trees planted and the likes which should in the long term help to shelter the place a bit from the elements, but that’s 30 years down the line and global warming might have taken care of the problem by then anyway!
What it is sorely missing is an indoor arena. You look at what is in Lavey, or the Meadowvale in Magherafelt and at the Mid-Ulster Sports Arena in Cookstown. It’s an indoor pitch where you are sheltered from the elements, where Mickey Harte or any other coach could take his players for a session, or for stretching, or anything else they wanted to do without sending the players out into the sort of arctic conditions we’ve seen in recent weeks.
You look at the building, which looks great from above, but realistically who is going to see it from above and the shape of the Celtic ‘T’? Unless you’re in your private helicopter or plane, or you’re a bird, then it’s not really going to make that much of a difference to you. What it has meant is that for the sake of a fancy architectural design, we have a building which doesn’t have a single square room or straightforward corner, everything a mix-up of odd shapes.
There should be a big hall where teams can operate, do circuits or gym work or whatever they have to do, but it was sacrificed for an auditorium. When I was there, it seemed like the gym equipment had all just been piled into the one room. There is no specific gym lay-out, instead the equipment all crammed into a room which was originally intended for storage.
It’s a great place for seminars, for county board meetings, and the administrative offices and board room look really well. But at the end of the day this is supposed to be a place for training and developing footballers to help them be the best that they can be. Is it focused on admin or on the players?
At the minute, I would actually say that it trails behind Derry’s new Owenbeg complex from a player’s point of view. It’s a start, a solid start, but there is so much more that could be done and needs to be done. The next challenge to the Tyrone fraternity is to make that happen.
I think it’s all part of a bigger picture for Tyrone GAA. It frustrates me every time I hear or read about the good work which Tyrone people are doing elsewhere, with other counties benefiting from their experience and their expertise.
Take Peter Donnelly for example. He’s getting huge credit for the work he is doing with Cavan, a real driving force behind their emergence as a real footballing powerhouse again. He’s going around schools, working with their development squads, and working with the senior team to help get the very best out of them. He’s even going to meet up with players at their universities for one-to-one sessions to work on particular aspects of their game.
But he’s doing it with Cavan, not with Tyrone. We should be bending over backwards to get men like that involved in our county set-ups. There is certainly the opportunity for him to be working with Tyrone.
We can see Cavan and other counties like Dublin who are constantly moving forward, but are we in Tyrone standing still? It’s areas like these where investment should be made, and it frustrates me when I see money being forked out on stupid things. I’ve seen that Donnelly has gone as far as visiting the training facilities of some of the top sports clubs in Europe, drawing on their expertise. Who are we sending to Bayern Munich training to see what we can learn from it? There is so much there that could be done, and we’re not doing it. It’s time for some outside the box thinking.
from what i have seen of Garvaghy, probably a lot of truth in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on February 17, 2014, 08:54:05 AM
Have to say I agree with many of those points.
1/ the gym is not that impressive
2/ a full size indoor pitch is a must
3/ a pitch with a decent stand needs built.

I would have expected these three things for the money spent
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 17, 2014, 09:36:21 AM
Yeah id agree with a lot of what McGuigan is saying as well. I think the celtic t shaped thing was ill thought out, lacked common sense & ultimately comes across as a bit vain really

However no one associated with Garvaghey is saying the facilities are the finished article. Its still very much a work in progress, but we've come along way. From what ive heard there are plans in place for improvements - including erecting a stand.

One of the items at the top of their agenda at the moment is developing other revenue streams. That will be reinvested & we should see improvements again in the next few years. It'll take time, but whats clear is that those behind the scenes driving the thing on wont rest until the set up is exactly whats required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Wee Roddy on February 17, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
At club level coaches go and watch teams training etc. No one knows everything, nor should claim to know everything. McGuigan is spot on regarding Garvaghey. Carmen played Dromore in it at the tail end off last Summer and I had to go to the car for a coat and a hat, and there wasn't a cloud in the sky
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 21, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

So the County squad has been cut as of last night. Has anyone got a definite list of who didn't make the cut? Have heard a few names of those omitted but maybe wrong
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 21, 2014, 02:56:09 PM
I thought I was reading the club thread there for a while

No news on teamtalkmag either about the cut squad
I'd say it's a hard job and I'd say Shay Mcguigan is probably hoping the family name will give him a bit of scope. Niall McKenna will probably be sweating it out again
I wonder how ruthless Mickey will be with his older heads

Could Stevie or Justy have played his last game? Hardly think so.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on February 22, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on February 22, 2014, 11:42:40 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Class act and great to see him back to his very, very best. Superb talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 23, 2014, 01:35:59 AM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Class act and great to see him back to his very, very best. Superb talent.

Great stuff. A cert to make the cut, any news on the rest?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on February 23, 2014, 12:46:25 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Thought he was the best player on the pitch last night. 11 could be his best position definitely would like to see him get a few games there for Tyrone at some stage in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 23, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
After watching the Sigerson tonight, Ronan O'Neill looks a great option at number 11, had a brilliant game, linking scores and getting scores

Thought he was the best player on the pitch last night. 11 could be his best position definitely would like to see him get a few games there for Tyrone at some stage in the league.
I have been saying this for a while now, his kick passing last night was first class.
im not sure he has the size or speed to play as an inside forward at IC level, ut has wonderful vision and passing.
Hopefully he gets a few games in the league at 11.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 23, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
On hoganstand they seem to be saying mcnulty,Patrick Quinn,Kevin Campbell,Warnock and Cassidy have been cut. Surprised about Cassidy but he has missed a lot of footie with injuries so maybe is better out of the squad for now to concentrate on getting fit. He is a decent option from the bench.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on February 24, 2014, 12:21:14 PM
I see that once again the teamtalk website has no report to make about our u21 team getting to the Ulster final, same last week, no comment either. Unfortunately we have become accustomed to this treatment from teamtalk, don't really know what the reason for this is, but it is something that has been noticed around the club for a while now. As far as I know they got a verbal volley after the semi final win over Errigal last season in the senior championship for the same reason. Surely if they can find time for the Ulster league (ie pre season friendlies), or some u16 girls league etc, they could at least make reference to the fact that we are in the Ulster final on their main page.

Is it as bad as the Irish News? Their report last week was shambolic.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on February 24, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
I thought I was reading the club thread there for a while

No news on teamtalkmag either about the cut squad
I'd say it's a hard job and I'd say Shay Mcguigan is probably hoping the family name will give him a bit of scope. Niall McKenna will probably be sweating it out again
I wonder how ruthless Mickey will be with his older heads

Could Stevie or Justy have played his last game? Hardly think so.

 :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
How did the Tyrone u-21 team do at the weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on February 24, 2014, 01:56:49 PM
hammered antrim in the final!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
hammered antrim in the final!

Good stuff.  Who all did they beat in the competition apart from the two Antrim games?  Any reports online from the final?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on February 24, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
Not much coverage of the U21's so far this year. Strabane Chronicle have an article on yesterdays win.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/02/tyrone-win-fourth-shamrock-cup/
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on February 24, 2014, 02:31:23 PM
Not much coverage of the U21's so far this year. Strabane Chronicle have an article on yesterdays win.

http://strabanechronicle.com/2014/02/tyrone-win-fourth-shamrock-cup/

Report in Irish News today as well - seem to be going well but got a tough draw in Ulster - the winners of Derry v Cavan will not be easy game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 24, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
Just after seeing the update on the Strabane Chronicle page.  Anybody know the team line-out?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on February 24, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
heard 6 men dropped from panel with more to follow after national league. as far as i know this wasn't mickeys choice who wanted to keep enough men on for full inside games but county board who want to cut costs. Biggest surprise is cassidy in some respects as he dropped last year too before being called up after regaining fitness. warnock never got much game time during his year or two, was he injured? the other four were men all called up, gallagher, campbell, quinn and mcnulty. gallagher and mcnulty suffering from injuries as far as i know.

very competitive squad and will be interesting to see who if anybody mickey drops after national league, whether young men or old brigade. Still no word on gormely, penrose or oneill back in fold yet so interesting how long it takes them to get up to speed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on February 25, 2014, 01:12:15 AM
10 euro admission for a virtual friendly game  in Cremartin, hard to gauge  how good this Tyrone team are , McCurry and McNulty  have to return, big squad will be cut i presume like senior team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on February 25, 2014, 08:41:28 AM
Is the wee fella Bradley from Cappagh not on the squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 25, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
https://www.facebook.com/tyronegaa/photos/a.130008553745600.34354.118218101591312/590801324332985/?type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

Team photo on above link

Ryan Devlin (Stewartstown) & Mark Bradley (Cappagh) don't look to have togged out. James McGahan (Cookstown) missing. Plus as mentioned previously McCurry & McNulty are missing

We've done well in the Cremartin / Shamrock cup this past few years & its been a false dawn so I wouldn't be getting too excited yet. But we have the bones of a decent team there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on February 25, 2014, 09:56:52 AM
Just looking at the odds for the Ulster U21 championship

Tyrone 5/2 Favourites
Cavan 11/4
Donegal 7/2
Armagh 9/2
Monaghan 13/2
Down 9/1
Derry 18/1
Antrim 20/1
Fermanagh 33/1

now I know this event is one you'd normally stay well clear of in the betting front , very unpredictable. But Derry at 18/1 really stand out. I thought they would be favourites with the panel they have? Again they have under achieved at minor but that didn't hold Cavan back in the last few years?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on March 06, 2014, 09:22:10 AM
Has anyone seen odds for Tyrone minors to win Ulster?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 11, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
Seen it all now. Was up at Garvaghey earlier.  Mickey has had the two pitches closest to where the seniors train closed for tonight during senior training.  The minors have had to share a pitch with a club team as a result!
Crazy!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TabClear on March 11, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
Seen it all now. Was up at Garvaghey earlier.  Mickey has had the two pitches closest to where the seniors train closed for tonight during senior training.  The minors have had to share a pitch with a club team as a result!
Crazy!
That's a joke if that's true. Paparazzi in the hills??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
It's not that wild an idea to want a bit of privacy at training after the performance in the second half on Sunday. I'd say there was a few home truths dished out. Have never heard Harte sounding as annoyed after a defeat.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 11, 2014, 09:21:17 PM
Oh it's true alright! Tyrone ladies shifted on to another pitch over it too.

I'd see through it if the seniors were using or going to use one of those other 2 pitches for something, but they didn't.

Think it's poor form to be shifting anyone, let alone county teams. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hardstation on March 11, 2014, 10:13:31 PM
Would look bad if your ladies team were putting on a wonderful display of football on a pitch next to your men playing pure muck. Good call by Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 11, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: on the sideline on March 12, 2014, 07:54:10 AM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.

I'd see through it maybe coming up to a championship game. 

But to do it to 2 other county teams?  Who then had to turn around and share pitches with 2 club teams?! While two pitches sat idle.  To me it's pretty ridiculous.  What harm were two teams who were going to be be training anyway going to do?
Surely that was the point of Garvaghey in the first place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 12, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
Surely if he looking somewhere private to train he could have used his home pitch! Not to many will see you up there!
 Garvaghy, meh!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 12, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
Kerry train behind closed doors almost all of the time now.

Tyrone are entitled to do the same if they so wish. Before Garvaghey, a lot of Tyrone's training sessions were restricted.

I'd see through it maybe coming up to a championship game. 

But to do it to 2 other county teams?  Who then had to turn around and share pitches with 2 club teams?! While two pitches sat idle.  To me it's pretty ridiculous.  What harm were two teams who were going to be be training anyway going to do?
Surely that was the point of Garvaghey in the first place.


The men's senior team whether we like it or not will always take priority. That's the way it is in most counties and indeed clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on March 15, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
I'm delighted to hear this! Frankly, ladies football is an abomination anyway and they should be thankful that they're allowed near Garvaghey for anything other that tay making and sandwich distribution. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the improved catering and toilet cleaning rota at most of our clubs we wouldn't have them about the place. On a less controversial note, i'm glad that there is an air of seriousness and disappointment after last weeks performance. Let's hope there's a backlash tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 15, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
I'm delighted to hear this! Frankly, ladies football is an abomination anyway and they should be thankful that they're allowed near Garvaghey for anything other that tay making and sandwich distribution. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the improved catering and toilet cleaning rota at most of our clubs we wouldn't have them about the place. On a less controversial note, i'm glad that there is an air of seriousness and disappointment after last weeks performance. Let's hope there's a backlash tomorrow.

The 1970s just called there CD. They are expecting you back soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on March 15, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
Ok then,  coffee and paninis! I'm as modern as the next man!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 19, 2014, 08:32:30 AM
I like the look of the side Fergal Logan has named tonight. Nice balance of size & pace, particularly in that full forward line - Big Dan McNulty flanked by two sharpshooting speedsters.
Good to see Conor McKenna, still a minor this year involved from the start. He looked sensational in the MacRory cup with St Pats Armagh a couple of weeks ago
Very tall order tonight playing away against a Cavan side going for 4 in a row at this level, and with the benefit of a good win under their belt v Derry last week
But on paper at least Fergal Logan has certainly assembled a strong looking side. I felt earlier in the year our strengths lay in the forwards & wasn't so sure about the quality & quantity of our defensive options, and it seems Logan has converted a few half forwards to the defensive positions. It will be interesting I suppose to see how they fair out defensively but they will be comfortable on the ball.

Mark Mc Reynolds,
Brendan Burns,
Rory Brennan,
Ciaran Mc Laughlin,
Michael Mc Cann,
Johnathan Munroe,
Kieran Mc Geary,
Conall Mc Cann,
Declan Mc Clure,
Conor Mc Kenna,
Michael Cassidy,
Frank Burns,
Darren Mc Curry,
Dan Mc Nulty
Mark Bradley
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 19, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
I like the look of the side Fergal Logan has named tonight. Nice balance of size & pace, particularly in that full forward line - Big Dan McNulty flanked by two sharpshooting speedsters.
Good to see Conor McKenna, still a minor this year involved from the start. He looked sensational in the MacRory cup with St Pats Armagh a couple of weeks ago
Very tall order tonight playing away against a Cavan side going for 4 in a row at this level, and with the benefit of a good win under their belt v Derry last week
But on paper at least Fergal Logan has certainly assembled a strong looking side. I felt earlier in the year our strengths lay in the forwards & wasn't so sure about the quality & quantity of our defensive options, and it seems Logan has converted a few half forwards to the defensive positions. It will be interesting I suppose to see how they fair out defensively but they will be comfortable on the ball.

Mark Mc Reynolds,
Brendan Burns,
Rory Brennan,
Ciaran Mc Laughlin,
Michael Mc Cann,
Johnathan Munroe,
Kieran Mc Geary,
Conall Mc Cann,
Declan Mc Clure,
Conor Mc Kenna,
Michael Cassidy,
Frank Burns,
Darren Mc Curry,
Dan Mc Nulty
Mark Bradley

Seriously talented team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 19, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
What clubs are they all from? Know the most of them, but sure about the clubs for some.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 19, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
Mark Mc Reynolds, Edendork
Brendan Burns, Pomeroy
Rory Brennan, Trillick
Ciaran Mc Laughlin, Omagh
Michael Mc Cann, Errigal Ciaran
Johnathan Munroe, Carrickmore
Kieran Mc Geary, Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann, Killyclogher
Declan Mc Clure, Clonoe
Conor Mc Kenna, Eglish
Michael Cassidy, Ardboe
Frank Burns, Pomeroy
Darren Mc Curry, Edendork
Dan Mc Nulty Clonoe
Mark Bradley, Killyclogher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
Questionable defence to say the least
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 19, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
Scrap the u21s pure waste of time, training since October? Managed 6points whole game. Brutal. Be safer gathering a few lads upon the day of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on March 19, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Scrap the u21s pure waste of time, training since October? Managed 6points whole game. Brutal. Be safer gathering a few lads upon the day of the
game.

Any game reports??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 19, 2014, 10:25:31 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=212247
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 19, 2014, 10:53:27 PM
Serious questions need to be asked at u-21...training since October for six meagre points. Something badly wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on March 19, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
Peter Donnelly in charge of that cavan team, serious slip up there not having him in some role within the county at some level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
Peter Donnelly in charge of that cavan team, serious slip up there not having him in some role within the county at some level.

Donnelly is not, the manager is Peter Reilly
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rodney trotter on March 19, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
Donnelly is the coach, like he was last year,. He has done excellent work with Cavan since he came in 08. But i dont think the whole change in fortune in Cavan under age has been all down to him. Nicholas Walsh did great work with the Development Squads and schools prior to that, before he went to Australia and work with in the AFL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 20, 2014, 12:52:44 AM
Serious questions need to be asked at u-21...training since October for six meagre points. Something badly wrong.

Only started training in late November!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 20, 2014, 08:25:30 AM
The gulf in class between the two teams  needs to be addressed quickly.even the established  senior player had no impact whatsoever.Peter Donnelly has done great work with Cavan and I don't understand why Tyrone let this man away to another county.The men along the line last night were dealt a harsh lesson in getting a team to perform.I am a great believer in the fact that a team must have strength and power...... Cavan had a walkover in this aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 20, 2014, 08:32:21 AM
Serious questions need to be asked as to what we're doing wrong at u21 level. We have badly under achieved in the last 7 or 8 years but the last 2 years have been complete horror shows. I always be reluctant to be overly critical of our teams but the performances over the last 2 years have been a disgrace to the county jersey.

Lat night there was a lack of work rate, poor quality and bunch of players who looked liked they'd never played together. On top of that the tactics to me were crazy. In the first half we had a gail force wind behind us but set back with extra men in defence. We allowed Cavan to take short kickouts and walk the ball right up to pitch (taking as much time as possible) and only challenged them when they got inside our 50 using up loads of time. The management only realised 20-25 minutes in that if we pushed up on the kickouts they couldn't kick the ball anywhere due to the strength of the wind. Even if Cavan won the kickouts the build up was always going to be slow against the wind allowing us to get back. By half time at 3 3 the game was over. In the 2nd half we kept 4 men up front at all times when we were against the wind. Hard to work out what the plan was.

The only positive at all for me was Bradley looks to have filled out a bit and was one of the few players that showed a bit of class and urgency. The forwards were living off scraps but in the limited ball that did go up he showed more than McCurry. McNulty seemed to lack a bit of mobility at full forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on March 20, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
How significant a role has Donnelly had in the Cavan u-21 success story?  If he is one of the huge reasons behind it, surely he should be offered some role within his native countys underage set-up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on March 20, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
Anyone ever looked at some of coaches working with development squads through tyrone underage set up? Definitely a few questionable 'experts'
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on March 21, 2014, 01:27:09 AM
Six players on the Tyrone U21 selection will play intermediate football within Tyrone in 2014 , hard to see muct talent emerging from division 2in Tyrone.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 21, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
I seen enough in breffini on Wednesday night to agree with you..........cunty chairman warming and trying to motivate subs till he was put in the dugout! ENOUGH  SAID
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on March 21, 2014, 04:12:40 PM
Six players on the Tyrone U21 selection will play intermediate football within Tyrone in 2014 , hard to see muct talent emerging from division 2in Tyrone.

Nonsense. Stephen O Neill is playing Div 3 this year. Does that make him a bad footballer?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on March 21, 2014, 10:15:22 PM
I seen enough in breffini on Wednesday night to agree with you..........cunty chairman warming and trying to motivate subs till he was put in the dugout! ENOUGH  SAID

  All hands to the pump. What's wrong with that? He as been involved with the U21s this year. Knows a bit or 3 about football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on March 22, 2014, 12:02:10 PM
Gaffer who knows a bit or 3 about football?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 23, 2014, 02:57:01 AM
i'll answer that, Ciaran Mc Laughlan knows a bit about football. Was a good player himself and coached clan na gael in senior at a time. but I'm sure hugh with your extensive talent and knowledge anything the cOunty chairman has done would be pretty poor when compared to your intimidating loughshore accomplishments
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 12:43:03 PM
Asking a question, Tyrone senior panel don't talk to RTE, or is the senior management? Can someone tell me reason why? Not a bland version of events, but detail please. PM me if it suits better. Regards
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on March 24, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 24, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
Was there not also an issue with some commentator being sacked as well that MH supported?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on March 24, 2014, 05:26:17 PM
Was there not also an issue with some commentator being sacked as well that MH supported?

Yes Mickey and a number of other managers voiced their support in relation to  Brian Carthy.

But it was what omagh_gael describes was the real issue and no apology was ever forthcoming from rte.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 24, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on March 24, 2014, 10:34:47 PM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?

Yes
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on March 25, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 04:46:15 AM
It relates back to a row over a sketch that the John Murray show on RTE radio1 did regarding Michaela Harte. If memory serves me right the song 'pretty little girl from Omagh' was involved. Harte sought an apology and none was forthcoming so he withdrew from commenting to all RTE media outlets. I'm sure the players fully supported him in this stance rather than him laying the law down himself regarding RTE's access to the players.

Still don't get why he would be upset about that? Was it something derogatory in the sketch towards Michaela? Was it after her untimely passing ?

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 25, 2014, 08:49:03 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.

A reply is exactly what Brolly was fishing for. F%*K him and RTE. Do the talking on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 10:02:53 AM
Harte, Cody and a few other managers voiced support for Carthy in his spite with RTE. Murray did a pretty derogatory sketch on Harte after Michaela's murder and finished on the "Pretty, little girl from Omagh". Harte was offended, asked for an apology and didn't get it so refused interviews. As far as I know the Tyrone lads are free to talk to RTE but alot of the older crew stuck by Harte and boycotted RTE, it has since kinda inadvertently become the default position so that you'd be a ballsy f**ker to be the 1 man on the squad to rail against the status quo. Harte isn't enforcing the ban but at the same time he wouldn't just be embracing a resolution either.

I see no problem, it's a disagreement and all involved have made free choices as regards it. If neither seem fit to compromise their positions then there will be no resolution.

Spot on. That's it in a nutshell.

After Joe Brollys OTT attack on Sean Cavanagh last July however, I felt that we needed someone to speak to RTE. Joe had 'free digs' if you like to mouth off all he likes knowing there will be no reply & hence not held to account.
Maybe going forward its time for Tyrone to appoint an individual to offer an after match interview. Ciaran McLaughlin would be a good choice IMHO. Very close to whats happening in the squad & with the management team, but in essence not actually a part of it.

A reply is exactly what Brolly was fishing for. F%*K him and RTE. Do the talking on the pitch.

Exactly, If RTE want to go down the road of tabloid analysis of games to get maximum exposure for their attention craving analysts then I'm glad Tyrone are having no part of it. RTE would have loved a live interview with Sean after the Monaghan game to further boost their ratings and fan the flames that Brolly ignited, but quite rightly Sean gave that interview to Newstalk. There's plenty of other media outlets to use if we want to get the point across and until RTE start to take responsibility for what they say and do (The Micheala thing was an absolute disgrace) and begin to report matches in a professional way, then I say leave them to it. The sooner Sky get to cover the games the better and they will most likely show RTE up to be the amateurish organisation that they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ardtole on March 25, 2014, 10:03:27 AM
It was a dreadful piece of radio on a par with the worst of the tabloid press in the UK. Appalling and cruel, Mickey Harte is well within his rights to boycott RTE over it and if I was a member of the tyrone panel I would do the same. It was a cheap publicity stunt on the Murrays behalf and I personally wouldnt listen to his show since that particular episode. I think Rte may have apologised for offence caused to the Hartes but as far as I know Murray hasnt although I am open to correction on this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 10:09:21 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 10:36:25 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Absolutely! Do you really think the RTE bosses wouldnt have wanted to show Sean's reaction live on air? Great TV for those after entertainment. Your further points just give further reasons why RTE would have "loved it" - perhaps expecting a Kevin Keegan moment!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on March 25, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Do you think RTE really give a toss whether Sean Cavanagh speaks to Newstalk or to RTE after a match ?

RTE have the whip hand at the minute and their ratings don't go down or up whether or not Sean Cavanagh or Tyrone speak to them or not. RTE are smart enough to realise that people will watch the match and then wait for Brolly, Spillane and O'Rourke to provide the real entertainment as they and others see it. ITV have realised that Roy Keane will get people to tune in to their station.

There's no need for proper analysis - the more controversy the better. Brolly is the undisputed king of winding merchants and controversy/ entertainment.

Absolutely! Do you really think the RTE bosses wouldnt have wanted to show Sean's reaction live on air? Great TV for those after entertainment. Your further points just give further reasons why RTE would have "loved it" - perhaps expecting a Kevin Keegan moment!  ;)

The only problem in not talking to then is that RTE can take as many free digs at Tyrone as they like. Looking back at last year, I thought that all the talk about cynical fouling that was being blamed it seemed almost exclusively on Tyrone, caught up with them with referees believing the hype and punishing them rightly or wrongly as a result of the anti Tyrone propaganda being spouted by Joe and RTE. Left unchallenged, this can only be a negative. Ferguson didn't talk to BBC for a long while but he sent a spokesperson to do so. I'm not advocating that as RTE behaved in a disgraceful manner in relation to the John Murray show and we have to respect how Mickey Harte felt then and still does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on March 25, 2014, 11:45:39 AM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on March 25, 2014, 12:11:08 PM
Eamon Sweenys take on it
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Tyrone stance has decency on its side
EAMONN SWEENEY – UPDATED 05 MAY 2013 04:06 AM

I'm glad to see that Tyrone footballers will be boycotting RTE coverage for the third championship summer in a row. Not because I've anything against the RTE sports department but because it's good to see people sticking by their principles.

We're talking about respect. Back in August 2011, only a few months after Tyrone manager Mickey Harte's daughter had been murdered in Mauritius, RTE's John Murray Show broadcast a sketch which lampooned Harte as a kind of idiot for going to see the Dalai Lama and included the song, 'Pretty Little Girl From Omagh In The County Of Tyrone'.

It was horrible stuff. But the worst thing about it was the ignoble motivation behind the skit. Harte was, at the time, one of a number of inter-county managers who had criticised RTE management for not promoting GAA correspondent Brian Carthy.

So the sketch smacked of sycophants having a go at Harte in order to ingratiate themselves with their bosses.

Or, worse again, of Mickey Harte being taught a lesson about what happened to people who dared cross the national broadcaster. Gotcha Mickey.

It took RTE three days before they decided to furnish an apology, an apology which you'd have to say didn't exactly reek of wholeheartedness

Actually, it's unbelievable stuff. A group of people decided to take the piss out of a Tyrone man whose daughter had been murdered by playing a song about a girl from Tyrone.

Think about it. Murray continues to purvey his brand of wacky fun on RTE Radio. Meanwhile, Mickey Harte and his family have had to get on with their lives.

So it's strange to see the Tyrone boycott being portrayed as something surprising or even unreasonable. In reality, the team and the county can do nothing else. Respect for Mickey Harte and the memory of Michaela McAreavey leaves them no choice.

The RTE boycott, far from being an infringement of press freedom, is actually a tribute to the integrity and spirit of the Tyrone footballers which says a lot about the kind of people they are.

There are more important things in life than a few post-match interviews.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on March 25, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 25, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.



Be a while before you have to worry about that!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 25, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Be interesting if Tyrone were to win an All Ireland and the primary television station couldn't get an interview off anyone. What would happen with the televised banquet.

RTE would be shitting themselves and tripping over each other trying to apologise.



Be a while before you have to worry about that!

I don't think too many of us will be worrying about what RTE will do!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 25, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
Thanks lads, that has helped me understand the situation, can't say that I disagree with Harte's stance on it  if that's the case.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 28, 2014, 02:12:05 PM
It's all too easy to just say we don't care what RTE do or say and to take the siege mentality approach but to me you're burying your head in the sand if you can't see that RTE Sport do have a lot of influence over the country's perceptions.

Sure didn't I tell you what my young lad's 6 year old mates were saying to me about Tyrone being a bunch of cheats and dirty cynical players. When I asked why they said they always drag you down when going in for goals. Yes of course this is just young kids being told what to think but it does influence what people think and of course in turn influences opposing fans and then referees.
Tyrone's lack of response to those accusations might not have helped their tactics whereas Dublin's perceived clean cut image meant they had a clean slate to perform cynical tackles in the AI final that Tyrone would not have got away with.

The other attitude of course is "ahh yer just a bunch of Tyrmoanies and yis all have a chip on yer shoulder". I dunno maybe some do play that card but with Brolly's very vociferous opinions last year, it is interesting how this year he is praising Mickey Harte for playing attractive open football which his U12's will really appreciate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on April 07, 2014, 02:01:40 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 07, 2014, 03:04:37 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!

Unfortunately that is true. The problem is that we have too many players on the same level, particularly in defence. Take the corner back slots, there isn't much difference between McRory, Tierney, Quinn, McKenna. Harte has given them all a chance to nail the jersey & none of them have. Their simply isn't enough stardust in the squad.

My 15 would be
1 N Morgan
2 R McNamee
3 C Clarke
4 AN other - any of the 4 mentioned above
5 D McBride
6 C Gormley
7 P Harte
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 One of the McMahon bros if fit
10 Martin Penrose
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Mathew Donnelly
13 Kyle Coney
14 Sean Cavanagh
15 Darren McCurry
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on April 07, 2014, 03:22:53 PM
mattie donnelly should stay at no6
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on April 07, 2014, 03:31:14 PM
So Tyrone played 5 games in McKenna Cup, 7 in league and the county panel have had 4/5 months of uninterupted time together but could anyone even come close to naming the team that will start against Down? I was trying to have a go but got stuck after Morgan!!!!!!!

Unfortunately that is true. The problem is that we have too many players on the same level, particularly in defence. Take the corner back slots, there isn't much difference between McRory, Tierney, Quinn, McKenna. Harte has given them all a chance to nail the jersey & none of them have. Their simply isn't enough stardust in the squad.

My 15 would be
1 N Morgan
2 R McNamee
3 C Clarke
4 AN other - any of the 4 mentioned above
5 D McBride
6 C Gormley
7 P Harte
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 One of the McMahon bros if fit
10 Martin Penrose
11 Ronan O'Neill
12 Mathew Donnelly
13 Kyle Coney
14 Sean Cavanagh
15 Darren McCurry

Admittedly i havent seen a lot of McBride but from the few games i have seen i wouldn't have him even close to the starting 15. Donnelly for me at 5 and Gormley holding at 6. Mark Donnelly 12, PJ Quinn 4, and McAliskey for Coney.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 07, 2014, 08:53:58 PM
My own team would be as follows:
Morgan
Mcnamee
Mcbride
Pj Quinn (McKenna if not fit)
Mcnabb (Mcginley if not fit)
Gormley
Harte
Colm c
Joe McMahon (defensive role, Clark if not fit)
Penrose
Mattie d (playing deep)
Mark d
Mccurry
Sean c
Ronan oneill
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigfrank on April 07, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
All senior and reserve players to wear gumshields in league and champ starting this weekend?cumpolsary? As if the refs haven't enough to worry about
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on May 19, 2014, 05:56:06 PM
How is there not a place on that team for Ronan O'Neill?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 20, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
How many players are officially on the Tyrone panel this year? 35?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 20, 2014, 01:32:21 PM
All senior and reserve players to wear gumshields in league and champ starting this weekend?cumpolsary? As if the refs haven't enough to worry about

Has that not been in since the start of the year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2014, 07:08:58 AM
I see on the other Down V Tyrone thread posters talking about how MH should have players that are the man markers in their clubs in the county set up? Who are we talking about here? Does any of Errigal's returned players have the potential to do this?
Who would Clonoe's man marker be?

Seen some Kildress lad mentioned but to be honest I've never really seen him- didn't he get a run out in McKenna cup last year?

Frank Burns looked to have great potential in last years AI minor final.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on May 21, 2014, 08:34:51 AM
I never seen young Burns pick up a man last year at all, he played as a sweeper in front of the full back line, you could hardly describe him as a man marker. Would McCrory from Errigal not be a man marker?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on May 21, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
McCrory marked Poland out of the game on Sunday. Would Dwayne Quinn from Clonoe be an option for the corner back spot?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2014, 09:02:37 AM
McCrory marked Poland out of the game on Sunday. Would Dwayne Quinn from Clonoe be an option for the corner back spot?

Mcrory was excellent on sunday, but i would probably rate both Rio Quinn & DD mcdermott of errigal ahead of him!
dwayne quinn looks a good player, but the alst thing we need is another clonoe man siting on the bench  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 21, 2014, 09:44:42 AM
I never seen young Burns pick up a man last year at all, he played as a sweeper in front of the full back line, you could hardly describe him as a man marker. Would McCrory from Errigal not be a man marker?

Never actually meant for Burns to be a man marker but was just thinking of other lads that could come into the system. He is actually a point scorer for his club.

Burns, Rory Breenan, Dwayne Quinn, Marty Swift all players that will probably be looked at in the early stages of next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 21, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
I would like tyrone to line out as follows for saturdays game:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Justin McMahon (depending on fitness)/Danny McBride
4. Ronan McNammee
5. Conor Clarke
6. Conor Gormley/Joe McMahon/ Ronan McNabb (Man to just hold the middle at 6 and not leave the defence exposed)
7. Peter Harte
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Conan Grugan
10. Mark Donnelly
11. Sean Cavanagh
12. Mattie Donnelly
13. Darren McCurry
14. Kyle Coney
15. Ronan O'Neill (dropping a bit deeper than mccurry and coney and acting as a playmaker, just like the league game against Mayo)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on May 21, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on May 21, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?

A wee disagreement at training before last week. I hope it is resolved and see him starting Sat night. Great talent.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: CD on May 21, 2014, 06:30:34 PM
What's the story with Ronan ONeill? Not in Mickey's plans?

Best player in Sigerson semi and final I went to watch. Always catches the eye for me. Was excellent in the Mayo league game when the Tyrone forwards seemed to catch light and his passing was key to that. I'd have him starting every time but there seems to be an issue. I'd assumed it was injury related but there must be something else going on there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 27, 2014, 09:48:15 AM
Great to see MH name a panel of 26 on Sat night. Subs weren't in his usual alphabetical order.
Still put on Gormley wearing number 30 though  :o another fine for Tyrone. Keep raising that money for the county team lads going to great use here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 27, 2014, 10:47:40 AM
I'm pretty sure they were in reverse alphabetical order for a we change.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 09, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
I see on the other Down V Tyrone thread posters talking about how MH should have players that are the man markers in their clubs in the county set up? Who are we talking about here? Does any of Errigal's returned players have the potential to do this?
Who would Clonoe's man marker be?

Seen some Kildress lad mentioned but to be honest I've never really seen him- didn't he get a run out in McKenna cup last year?

Frank Burns looked to have great potential in last years AI minor final.

Just seeing this. Your talking about Dean McNally. He got a run out in McKenna cup last year and played a couple of decent games but Harte dropped him off national league panel (only person) to take Cassidy back in.

He played on Jordanstown sigerson team this year and was one of there best performers after missing majority of last year with v. bad knee injury. Brilliant at club level and would love to see him get another chance at county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on June 15, 2014, 07:38:27 PM
Poor performance today and hartes frustrations speaks volumes - masking frustration with his own team. For all the supposed S&C training these lads are meant to be doing, it ain't showing, unforced errors, poor attacking play and this notion of a strong squad is just that a notion, carrying 4 to 5 passengers and living of the reputation of previous successful teams, long way off the mark at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 15, 2014, 08:26:05 PM
PJ Lavery - never gets a kick all through the National League.. not a single game.
then we throw him into the last ten mins of our most important game of the season. I am not knocking him as I think he is a good player, but surely he should have got a few league games to find his feet.

Others who played through the league like Shea McGuigan get no game time at all.

You really have to scratch your head at some of the things going on regarding Tyrone at minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 15, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
Why did mc aliskey not take the last free..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 15, 2014, 09:21:56 PM
Why did mc aliskey not take the last free..
Thought he showed his worth today.
Maybe McCrory or McNamee have his number in the in house games. Just my guess, and if so it would show a weakness in the selection policy.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 16, 2014, 11:07:02 AM
Can anybody answer this question. When was the last good game Martin Penrose played for Tyrone? all he ever seems to do is commit fouls and run down blind alleys with his head down. Absolute joke that man is starting before Mc Aliskey, Coney, McGuigan, McKenna, lavery, McNeice etc, beyond belief that the Tyrone management cant see how poor he is. Stephen O'Neill should have  retired when he was still a decent player like some of his other team mates from the All ireland winning teams. He is clearly done at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 16, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
PJ Lavery - never gets a kick all through the National League.. not a single game.
then we throw him into the last ten mins of our most important game of the season. I am not knocking him as I think he is a good player, but surely he should have got a few league games to find his feet.

Others who played through the league like Shea McGuigan get no game time at all.

You really have to scratch your head at some of the things going on regarding Tyrone at minute.

Agree. Its hard to believe this is the same manager. The strangest move of the year for me was leaving young rookie Barry Tierney on James O'Donoghue for so long down in Kerry. He got the mother of all roasting's on live TV. Harte drops him for the rest of the league yet rolls him when the serious stuff begins in (v Down the first day)
Team Selection, Tactics, Development of players - a lot to be desired.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
Please could someone (the Tyrone management) tell Sean Cavanagh to stay away from the media for a while.......he is quoted every day about one thing or another and culminated in him and Dick Clerkin having a love in on Sunday! Now which team did that suit better???? How about saying nothing for the next couple of months and concentrating on playing a bit of ball. The media attention has also adversely affected Niall Morgan. He could do with keeping his head down and doing the basics well.....then in a couple of years he might be the keeper he is capable of becoming!!
All aspects of the media is something that i dont think the present management are handling too well!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 19, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.

Tell us this Santa what way do you think Hunky Dorys view the self imposed RTE media ban. Do you think they are getting value for money ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 19, 2014, 01:42:38 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Until that happens Tyrone will be the National Villans. Hunky Dorys can not be happy with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Trap on June 19, 2014, 02:37:27 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game
4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on June 19, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........

I understand that some of the team due not use the programme set out by the current S&C coach, but use a former Tyrone player to assist in their strength and conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 19, 2014, 03:44:02 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Hopefully that'll not be too far away EC.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on June 19, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
I think the next time you see Tyrone management/players talking to RTE will be when there is different management in place.

Hopefully that'll not be too far away EC.

I'm edging towards that idea myself. Fresh ideas and different approach required. I fear it may be some time before it happens though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 19, 2014, 08:40:07 PM
Dont see how tyrone can cry the victim and moan about not getting enough injury time when they insist on the facade  bringing their furthest most player up to kick even simple frees any forward could despatch. How much time is wasted in normal time with this silly carry on
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 19, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
I don't see too many people in this thread moaning about injury time. Most of the talk is around team management/ selection and player performance. Monaghan deserved to win on Sunday, with or without the right amount of injury time
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
Dear Redhand Santa, this is my wish list for the Tyrone management team. Please feel free to tell me if you think they are doing any of these to an acceptable level:
1. Develop a system of play that suits the current squad
2. Improve the young talent in the squad that should be as good or better than any in the country given their record at underage level
3. Oversee a strength & conditioning program that will enable these players to meet the demands of the modern game
4. Motivate the team on match days to be at least as committed as the opposition in going for 50/50 ball
5. Unite the county behind the team
6. Manage media commitments of players to ensure that over exposure does not hinder performance
7. Enhance the reputation of the county
8. Have a succession plan in place for whenever it is time for the next management to take over

I know that there are great people in the present set up, management and players, but for one reason or another they are no longer doing their job well, or at least the parts outlined above...........

There is plenty of points in there that I agree with. My issue is I feel people lose perspective and too much blame is being put on Harte's head. Barring one or two counties in Ireland everyone has cycles of doing well and then periods where they don't do well. Look at the likes of Down, Meath and Galway who have won multiple All Irelands over the decades. Even consider our own county. We had a good spell from 84 to 89 winning 3 ulster titles. Then lost in the first round 4 years in a row. Before having a few good years from 94 to 96. Then were poor enough at senior level up to 03 albeit picking up an ulster title in 01. Then a great run from 2003 to 2010.

In the poor years managers were changed but it didn't make a difference, we weren't good enough. Just like changes of managers haven't made a huge difference in Armagh, Down, Meath and Galway. People can point to Harte's tactics but perhaps part of it is the fact that we don't have the players to play another way. We don't have dominant midfielders or top class target men or top class defenders. All these problems are being put at Harte's door whereas in reality there is many factors in having good players at any one time in a county and one of them is luck.

The players have to take a degree of responsibility too. Many of our top young players haven't shown the fight or guts at the top level. People can point to them being top minors but anyone who has gone to watch the u21's in the last 7 or 8 years will know that the exact same deficiency was shown their when Harte wasn't involved. I was lead to believe he had asked to take the u21's in recent years and maybe it wouldn't have been a bad idea.

It could be argued that he has did a good job to keep us as a top 8 team consistently getting to the quarter finals through a bad spell and perhaps we would be much further away with someone else in charge. The other counties I previously mentioned would love to have had our record in recent years and have learned that a change in manager doesn't always mean a change in fortune. When our lean spell is over and the players come together at the right time I'm not sure there is a better manager in the county to deliver. Maybe a year or 2 break would help it though.

Just to clarify too I'm not saying everything Harte has done is right and I was very fustrated with Sunday's performance as I really felt the team could progress from last year with an ulster title this year but I don't think Harte should take all the blame that is being given. I also think he has earned the right to see out the championship and be judged at the end of the campaign and not before the team get knocked out.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 19, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Agreed. I was only making an observation on the excuses given by management in the immediate aftermath of the game. Time for a change undoubtedly. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 19, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Harte has a few keys areas that he needs to address ahead of and during the qualifiers. If he is brave and makes the right calls and changes tactics a bit I think there could still be a decent run. We're playing too many short balls because we're scared of not being able to win ball in the middle but it's too slow and easy to defend against. If you watch Tyrone's games we're not being out caught in midfield - the issue is boys not fighting hard enough for the dirty ball. With that in mind the 2 half forward positions have to be looked at. We also need a play maker at 11. There was 3 players on the team last Sunday who looked to be too nice at this stage for county football.

We also need to offer more of threat in the full forward line. Mattie Donnelly is the obvious solution though he's also the best player coming from deep. I think maybe we're going to have to take a chance and throw him to full forward. The likes of Tierney could be an option at half back - he has struggled in the corner but gets stuck in and will offer a lot of running. Peter Harte is been too loose at times throughout the year and a game starting on the bench might not do any harm. I'd go with a team like this the next day:
Morgan
McRory
Justy
McNamee
Tierney
Gormley
PJ Lavery
Cavanagh
Cavanagh
Joe Mc (fit to tog out last week and needs games)
Coney
McNabb (was effective here at winning ball a few years ago)
McCurry
Mattie D
McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on June 19, 2014, 11:09:06 PM
Mattie Donnelly's been one of the few bright sparks for Tyrone this year at centre half back, I'd be loathed to move him. If I was to move him then it would be to midfield.

For me the obvious move is Sean to full forward. He's won player of the year there after all. He mightn't like it but he's the best option we've got there at the minute. He's the one player who would put the fear of God into opposing defences.

Peter Harte's another problem. He's one of the best players we've got but he plays his best football in attack. He's not a great defender in the truest sense of the word. I think 12 might be his position for now.

With Conor Clarke out though there's a big gap at midfield. Could use Joe there but he certainly won't be match fit for a while
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 19, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/1906140929-no-regrets-from-cavanagh-over-late-free/

In this article today Sean mentions Joe as being aj option during the qualifiers, he mustn't be too far off making a return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on June 19, 2014, 11:22:05 PM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
I agree but there is a  take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 20, 2014, 08:03:57 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on June 20, 2014, 08:30:15 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

The best way to address the RTE bias, is to do the talking on the pitch. Winning matches. Putting it up to the top teams. At the moment we arnt doing that, & that's what needs addressed
The talent is there in the county, I am sure of it, but the present management have too many favourites, & are too set in their ways to carry out the shake up that's required.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 09:04:40 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on June 20, 2014, 09:23:39 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.

Would that not undermine the Manager?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on June 20, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
I can see where people are coming from about improving the media relationship but the more I listen to the bias against Tyrone the less inclined I would be to talk to RTE. There agenda is sickening and wouldn't be speaking to them.

I don't think its having a huge influence on our chances. Before the fall out from 03 to 08 they gave Tyrone nothing but abuse anyway. Remember puke football and Spillane's constant rants about them. The abuse given to Dooher in 03 etc. It didn't do us any harm then because we had a team capable of winning.

Ignoring the problem with RTE won't make it go away. If Mickey won't talk to RTE for personel reasons thats all fine and well and understandable but this should not be allowed to have such a negative effect on the image of Tyrone. Tony Donnelly and the players should be encouraged to represent the County on the National broadcaster. The fact that the county board have not dealt with this issue shows a weakness.

Would that not undermine the Manager?

Not if Mickey asks Horse Devlin or Tony Donnelly to do it!
When Alex Ferguson fell out with BBC - did Mike Phelan giving interviews to BBC undermine Ferguson?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: east down gael on June 20, 2014, 09:32:47 AM
Sean Cavanagh had plenty to say in 03, 05 and 08 in the media and I don't remember it doing much harm to Tyrone. People in Tyrone are the hardest to listen to defeat and use it as an excuse to give out abuse all round to people who have did a lot for the county over the years.
I agree but there is a  take on it that is different. Some people now think brolly is a puppet for someone higher up in rte.. how dare mic key harte stand up to the national broadcaster. There is a concerted effort on to destabilise Tyrone football a bias by Rte and it's henchmen round the table. I think it's time to support mic key not row in with Rte and the joes of this world.   

Is this a spoof?someone high up in rte using joe as a rogue agent to destabilise Tyrone football?that sounds like something jim corr would come out with.there is no bias,a few former footballers were analysing a match in which Tyrone were playing,and gave their views on the main talking points of the game.views which we're shared by nearly everybody watching except Tyrone folk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 11:21:30 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 11:53:40 AM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 12:32:40 PM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 20, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.

My mistake there's me thinking its a forum to discuss all issues which effect gaelic games. I am well aware that the RTE issue had no impact on Tyrones performance. It will however impact on Tyrone teams in the future. Burying the head in the sand won't fix it either. I am following Tyrone for over 30 years now through thick and thin and i honestly think that 11 years under one manager so fixed in his ways is now having a major negative effect on Tyrone both on the field and off.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blackball on June 20, 2014, 01:00:12 PM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.

why do you care so much about the sponsors? Tyrone were boycotting rte before the sponsor came on board so I am sure they knew what they were letting themselves in for.

Sponsorship is an important part of the revenue which is used to support gaelic games within the county. A protracted issue such as this damages the brand image of Tyrone and value of sponsorship which the county can generate in the future. It is also a perfect example of poor and shortsighted decision  making of the current management set up in Tyrone.


Sounds like you have been watching a lot of dragons den repeats on Dave recently!lol This is a football forum not a business forum. Where Hunky Dorys put their advertising and sponsorship money is their business. They knew there was an RTE boycott before they made the decison to sponsor Tyrone GAA and if they arent happy they can pull out at the end of the contract. Not doing RTE inerviews had nothing to do with Tyrone getting beat by Monaghan. It was a mix of team selection, tactics and individual player performance, thats were every game is won and lost.

My mistake there's me thinking its a forum to discuss all issues which effect gaelic games. I am well aware that the RTE issue had no impact on Tyrones performance. It will however impact on Tyrone teams in the future. Burying the head in the sand won't fix it either. I am following Tyrone for over 30 years now through thick and thin and i honestly think that 11 years under one manager so fixed in his ways is now having a major negative effect on Tyrone both on the field and off.

the thread is called tyrone county football and hurling. I dont disagree that the current management team have been there too long and things are going stale, but the main reason for changing should be to do with football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2014, 06:54:46 PM
Minors 10 down at half time, looking like another bad weekend for the red hands.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 21, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Serious root & branch look at everything in the county needed.
We are falling behind at senior, U21 and now minor level!

Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: StGallsGAA on June 21, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
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Something needs to be done, with hard decisions made from the top down!

What's would be you suggestion Sam 03/05? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on June 21, 2014, 09:24:01 PM
Have a few things would like to see.
Firstly someone should get a full time job, paid for by county board. His remit - developed young players in the county. Especially after minor level.



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What's would be you suggestion Sam 03/05?
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on June 21, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
Seniors,  U-21s and minors out of Ulster at quarter final stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 10:07:19 PM
Do people really think that sending Tony Donnelly or anybody else out to do a post match interview would stop the likes of Joe Brolly having a rant? What could anyone have said on Sunday? "Ah well Sean didnt pull Hughes down" - would that have made a difference? Joe knows how to maximise his profile and thats by saying controversial things about big players (see the nonsense he spouted about Gooch not being a big game player a few years ago) and Sean is one of games highest profile players. Until RTE reigns the likes of Brolly in then I support Mickey's stance as the reasons for his orginal stand off havent changed and RTE have done nothing in the meantime to improve that situation. I'd be happy enough for the management to just concentrate on the football and get back to winning matches.
I think the whole problem can be laid at the door of the county board.It is run by a mixture of juntas liars and headtheballs!We need an urgent raid out of this pile of shite as it ain't bringing much luck to our county teams in spite of crazy amounts of money invested.

Benny do Tyrone County board not have any interest or care of duty towards the county sponsers ? How much damage does the dispute between Mickey and RTE to the advertising potential for current and future sponsers ? Mickey's stance is purely down to an issue between himself and RTE. Tyrone county is not some kind of personel fifedom to be used in a personel dispute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 10:09:40 PM
Seniors,  U-21s and minors out of Ulster at quarter final stage.
we will win nothing until the dung within the county board is cleaned out!too many evil deeds carried out by insurgents within our county set up!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: matchfit21 on June 21, 2014, 10:16:33 PM
How do we fix it HTR? Who's the victim of evil deeds?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on June 21, 2014, 10:28:57 PM
How do we fix it HTR? Who's the victim of evil deeds?
we fix it by raiding it clane out!just take a look at some of the ones involved in the various committees they would nt know the feel of a ball other than their own or a female ball in terms of the bitches.I am really serious about this.We are a complete laughing stock!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: keeptrying on June 21, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
 Serious amount of ego in that  minor management.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2014, 07:27:20 PM
On reflection that was a seriously bad year for tyrone football at all levels. It was undoubtedly the worst year at senior level since 06. And to be honest it feels like we're as far away from challenging for Sam Maguire as we have been on a long time. It's disappointing given the season we had last year and the hope was we were coming out of transition and ready to challenge again. Instead we seemed to go backwards at an alarming rate. It was a very average league followed by a disastrous championship with the only decent showing being away to down.

People are very quick to find scapegoats and come out with irrational crap about garvaghy. The reality is a big push is needed at various levels to get tyrone back on track. We're a huge football county who constantly produce decent players so the raw ingredients are there to mould something.

I'm not too concerned about one poor year for the minors but serious questions have to be asked as to what the hell we're doing at u21 level. We seem capable of producing good minor teams and the same players being totally ineffective 3 years later. There could be a bit of us picking the wrong type of players at minor level who suit that age group but I'm a firm believer in a winning mentality for the county so do believe in picking the best players. However we need to look at developing them after minor and drilling a winning mentality into them and that minor success is a stepping stone not an end.

We need to focus on other young players in the county too. Ones maybe not good enough at minor level or before but who could be nurtured into fine u21 and senior players. Whether this be a big lad who needs to work on his fitness or a small corner back who is light and needs built up. There is a danger that we focus too much on the best players at age groups and bring them into development squads and ignore other players with different progression rates. We're focusing too much on a small group of players at each age group and ignoring too many others and never giving them a chance.

Now we have garvaghy and availability of so many coaches maybe we should be widening the players attending these development squads to get a much wider range of players. As others have noted we also need to move away from focusing solely on ball players and find tight corner backs, a big workhorse in midfield, strong ball wining forward Etc.

I think the current squad and management have a lot of questions to ask themselves. The players need to decide if they are prepared to start working from September on properly conditioning themselves and training close to professional athletes. No one can be expected to do this but it's what it's going to take to win another all Ireland. So every player must decide have they got the hunger and desire to be there. They also must decide whether they're happy to be part of a tyrone squad and the prestige that goes with that or if they have something to offer that can get tyrone back to the top table. If your happy just to be a panel member and see that as an achievement you shouldn't be there.

I've defended Harte throughout the years but he has plenty of questions to ask himself now too. I know there's rumours of unhappiness in the panel. Even things like food seem to be an issue (though I'm not sure that should be players biggest concern and could be a sign of their current state of mind and lack of focus). Players no longer seem to be prepared to go out and put everything on the line for him on the pitch, he doesn't seem to be motivating them enough. I know he likes to have a distance with the players but maybe this needs revised. I know he takes a lot of inspiration from top American coaches but he has to realise he's managing a bunch of lads from tyrone doing this as a hobby and not millionaire full time American professionals.

He also needs to consider whether it's time for a new trainer and new ideas beside him. We don't seem to have enough ideas and seemed to have lost our identity and have no idea of how we want to play. We haven't a settled team and can't compete with teams physically. There's plenty of problems to be addressed and they need done now. This would allow new managerial personnel to take in the rest of the club season and get working on fitness from now as it will take time for the players to catch up.

Having seen our disgraceful performances at u21 level in recent years and replacement such as canavan and mcivor struggle with other counties I think Harte still is as good as we have. But he needs to be brave and ruthless now and make changes. This may involve him giving up some power but it's for the benefit of the team. Canavan could be a good man to come in beside him and maybe Peter Donnelly or someone could be an option.

I've noted before other counties other than Dublin and Kerry struggle to stay consistently at the top table and fade away after a period of success. I think we're a big enough county and have enough desire to do better than that so it's time for everyone in the county to start pulling together and make the changes to get us back to where we should be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 22, 2014, 06:36:34 PM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2014, 08:36:34 AM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.

I have seen several people mention this, you would nearly think Tyrone aren't doing any S&C work  :-\
Over the past number of years they have been working with the guys in SINI on this side of things, so i imagine they are doing all the right things and getting the best advice.

I certainly dont think that is were the problem lies, i dont think the current Tyrone team look any less fit or physically strong than the majority of teams out there at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 23, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Who are we suggesting gets the chop? Tony Donnelly? Fergal McCann? Horse? Michael Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 23, 2014, 08:52:51 AM
Who are we suggesting gets the chop? Tony Donnelly? Fergal McCann? Horse? Michael Harte?

There's a good argument to be made for a complete clear out. No slight on the individuals in question, I just feel we would benefit from fresh eyes & fresh ideas, and a different voice at training.

Ryan Porter would be a good choice as team trainer in my opinion.
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 02:43:33 PM
Forget about Dooher seen him at Breffini this year!He was a top class footballer but his management ability is in line with working with cattle! Ryan Porter is a must for Tyrone!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on July 23, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Forget about Dooher seen him at Breffini this year!He was a top class footballer but his management ability is in line with working with cattle! Ryan Porter is a must for Tyrone!

 Thought you were on holidays
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on July 23, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Free. Wi fi in the Great Northern Bundoran! I am thinking of writing a book on The demise of Tyrone football at all levels!If Ciaran McLaughlin would only stop being a dictator and employ and/or use the services of men who have achieved in the past!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 03:26:34 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 23, 2014, 03:31:28 PM
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.

Wasn't this the problem with trainer Patrick Tally back in 2003-2004?  Players where going to him rather than the manager which resulted in the termination of his involvement with the Tyrone senior set up?
That could be just rumours though. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on July 23, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
Also someone like Canavan or Dooher as Assistant Manager might be a good idea. If Mickey is a bit aloof from the younger players, there is a void to be filled there.

Wasn't this the problem with trainer Patrick Tally back in 2003-2004?  Players where going to him rather than the manager which resulted in the termination of his involvement with the Tyrone senior set up?
That could be just rumours though.

I thought I remembered something about how Tally had gave and interview about methods/achievement of winning all Ireland - that put Hartes nose out of joint so he got the road for that?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on July 23, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 

Willys sessions are poor. Really are. Im not doubting his knowledge but his sessions with tyrone mostly focus on 'prehab' work. not sure that is a direct instruction from mickey or mccann but the programme seems pretty easy. Only fellas in tyrone that are properly bulked up are the ones who have went away and done it themselves m. donnelly, c.cavanagh etc. certainly wasn't from doing willie moore programme.

The other big problem is that a weight wasn't lifted in tyrone senior squad this year until Jan.....which is pretty rubbish really by management. should have 2-3 months of heavy gym work finished at that stage. think its just an extra sign of things going stale this year
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on July 23, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Free. Wi fi in the Great Northern Bundoran! I am thinking of writing a book on The demise of Tyrone football at all levels!If Ciaran McLaughlin would only stop being a dictator and employ and/or use the services of men who have achieved in the past!

You holiday in Bundoran?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on July 23, 2014, 08:06:13 PM

Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2014, 08:31:50 PM
It looks like Harte will be in the hot seat for another year. I really can't see him clearing out his backroom a la Jim Mc Guinness. It all appears to have gone stale within the county set up. We need new ideas, a red out of the fringe panelists and a new approach to strength and conditioning.
I have seen several people mention this, you would nearly think Tyrone aren't doing any S&C work  :-\
Over the past number of years they have been working with the guys in SINI on this side of things, so i imagine they are doing all the right things and getting the best advice.

I certainly dont think that is were the problem lies, i dont think the current Tyrone team look any less fit or physically strong than the majority of teams out there at the minute.

We were blown out of the water in the physical stakes by both Monaghan and Armagh. Granted the tactics and a lot of players underperforming didn't help matters either.

Again all of this is my opinion, but from the outside looking in, the managerial/training aspects of our county teams appear to have become stale and are slipping behind a number of other counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 07:59:24 AM
Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top. 

Willys sessions are poor. Really are. Im not doubting his knowledge but his sessions with tyrone mostly focus on 'prehab' work. not sure that is a direct instruction from mickey or mccann but the programme seems pretty easy. Only fellas in tyrone that are properly bulked up are the ones who have went away and done it themselves m. donnelly, c.cavanagh etc. certainly wasn't from doing willie moore programme.

The other big problem is that a weight wasn't lifted in tyrone senior squad this year until Jan.....which is pretty rubbish really by management. should have 2-3 months of heavy gym work finished at that stage. think its just an extra sign of things going stale this year

You have experience of William Moore's S&C sessions I'm assuming based on your above post? 

I'm not saying that his sessions are good or bad because I don't know, I'm not part of the Tyrone setup. All I'm saying is that people are complaining about the S&C of Tyrone this year however they are using a guy who is top dog at UUJ and has been used by many professional teams therefore one would assume the S&C are up to scratch?

You cant build up your nuts in the gym where most of the Tyrone team seemed to be lacking this year.  I don't think they looked any smaller or weaker against any teams they played this year.  The main thing that was the problem IMO on the pitch was the cojones of the players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 24, 2014, 08:18:31 AM

Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone

I think its safe to say that Mickey Harte & Martin McElkennon wont be working together again!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 10:05:11 AM

Willie Moore is the strength & conditioning coach AFAIK who has extensive experience in providing support services to many athletic groups at varying performance levels. As well as co-ordinating activities he is also involved in service delivery in the areas of physiological support and strength & conditioning. Strong links with the Ulster Sports Academy enable clients to avail of expertise in the areas of sports physiology, psychology and nutrition.

He's top dog in Ulster, possibly Ireland and Tyrone are using him.  Don't know how much further you can go than the top.

Xmas lights, you have just shown your hand, the fact, and I refer to fact, is that Tyrone S&C is behind the Doneagals, Dublins, Armagh and Cavan (it isn't Peter Donnelly, it's a company from Dublin who bring that expertise to Cavan) and it really shows in our inability to break the tackles, bar the few players we know r going to their own private trainers. Mc Elkennon is top bracket, advising county teams and doing personal private training with numerous county players from Ulster and Lenister. What a waste not using his outstanding knowledge in this area for Tyrone

I think its safe to say that Mickey Harte & Martin McElkennon wont be working together again!

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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on July 24, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sensethetone on July 24, 2014, 10:37:14 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on July 24, 2014, 10:37:31 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on July 24, 2014, 10:48:14 AM
Would it be too simplistic to say that Mickey is indeed a very stubborn man (as are most great managers) and he tends to surround himself with yes men from what I have heard.
If you step over that line then you will be shunned from what I heard

I talked to an ex player recently and he shocked me of what he had to say about Mickey and how the lack of communication has ALWAYS been an issue and isn't something new.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EC Unique on July 24, 2014, 10:48:54 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?

Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.

McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???

maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.

McElkennon and Tally are both men with their own ideas and would both like to have a big input. Harte is his own man and likes to be surrounded with yes men.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on July 24, 2014, 11:39:59 AM
McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.
But what happened?

Nothing actually happened between them, just people going their own ways.

McElkennon worked with Harte at St Ciarans Ballygawley in the 90's and was part of the management team for the County minors in around 97. The relationship between the pair would be reminiscent of that with Harte & Paddy Tally.

Harte and Paddy Tally also worked together at St Ciarans Ballygawley. Maybe it's this school that's that problem. A cesspool of corruption???

maybe its Harte, the Glencull row and RTE row demonstrate a deep thick man.

McElkennon and Tally are both men with their own ideas and would both like to have a big input. Harte is his own man and likes to be surrounded with yes men.

Fair play for that post EC Unique, a bit cutting of your own clubman but honest none the least.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Dell on August 07, 2014, 04:21:32 PM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 07, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.
. I had retired from the thread but had to return to echo my congratulations to Dell for his complete honesty. Wisest words spoke all year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on August 07, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
Word on the street that Peter Donnelly is set to join hartes backroom team as S&C coach
 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on August 08, 2014, 12:20:48 AM
Word on the street that Peter Donnelly is set to join hartes backroom team as S&C coach
 ;) ;)

I heard a few players asked for him last year and Harte talked to him. Donnelly wanted to as long as he got the same 'travel expenses' as with Cavan! Harte said he couldn't get him that and that was that. Harte could of paid him out of his kitty!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on August 08, 2014, 08:10:57 AM
Harte has begun the task of rebuilding within Tyrone. The simple truth is there is no other candidate in Tyrone who can match his experience and knowledge. The man is a 'full time' Tyrone Manager, I don't know any other man who could give this 24/7 time to the job. IMO the Armagh defeat highlighted many issues that I believe he will learn from and deal with. I have my own gripes about selection and personnel but I'm not involved every night at training every night so I will trust a man who knows more than most. I also believe the squad he has is a very poor one in comparison to the AI winning teams. Only Matty Donnelly, Colm Cavanagh and Peter Harte appear to have physically developed themselves to play at this level. Too many if the rest of the squad are bluffing in terms of S&C with no chance in their physique over the last number of years. To play county football at this time at a serious level requires huge sacrifice dedication and discipline qualities our AI trams had in abundance along with their undoubted quality and talent. A lot of our young 'talent' (and some not so young) are a spoilt arrogant twitter premiership generation who feel everyone owes them something with their ridiculous attitude, co stand desire to be in the paper, stupid headphones, want to be wags and the lazy excuses for failure that are ready as quick at the flights to the USA. Change is good Harte is making it but the next squad of players need to stand up for themselves, and quickly.

?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 08, 2014, 09:44:42 PM
I hear that the county chairmanship club and the ulster council  are in bother over the illegal transfer of a lifted player to strabane It will interesting to see what punishment is handed out here given the influence mclaughlin has within the county board.The man who spat on Karl Lacey never got a day suspension  whilst people from the Ardboe club were persecuted  for trying to stand up for their youth!Are we seeing the beginning of the end of mclaughlins corruption?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 09:11:18 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 09:28:19 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 09:30:55 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!

What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.

If he was manager of Tyrone he'd probably ship players in from Cavan and bankrupt the county board. But at least we'd show a bit of guts and get to an AI quarter final which seems to be his glass ceiling as manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: hugh the root on August 09, 2014, 09:52:17 PM
Tyrone should have appointed McGeeny as Tyrone manager. It's a credit to him the way he has pumped up Armagh.Last year armagh were nowhere near the level of Tyrone and now with McGeeny in the post for 6 months he has them as serious title holders again.We certainly would get rid of thise on the panel who would pull out of the odd tackle!
tyrone county board love wasting money with all the igots throwing money at club tyrone. Some of the Tyrone backroom staff are more than well fed!
What title do they hold?sorry Benny I am awfully silly! I meant to write title challengers . this should not take away from what Geezer has achieved in a short spell !

He certainly added a level of aggression to Armagh that we were sadly missing this year.
Would you agree with my assumption that if Geezer was manager of Tyrone ; at least half a dozen of the current panel would be made stay at home.There is nothing as bad as having to look at Trones under achievers posing at games over the summer. if I were them I' d be either in the gym or hiding. Tyrone need to catch themselves on and realise that it takes guts to win games;skill is only one of the ingredients.

If he was manager of Tyrone he'd probably ship players in from Cavan and bankrupt the county board. But at least we'd show a bit of guts and get to an AI quarter final which seems to be his glass ceiling as manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 02, 2014, 07:41:54 AM
McMenamin  & McGuigan to get involved with the minors with Donnelly and McHugh finishing up at the end of the year;
http://ulsterherald.com/2014/09/02/mcguigan-and-mcmenamin-join-tyrone-minor-management-team/
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The 2015 Tyrone minor footballers will be under the guidance of a new-look management team. The managerial duo of Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh have landed the services of triple All-Ireland winners Brian McGuigan and Ryan McMenamin to their coaching team, in what is seen as a massive boost to Tyrone’s prospects. The pair excelled at opposite ends of the pitch for Mickey Harte’s senior side during the most successful spell in the county’s history, McMenamin one of the finest defensive players Tyrone has ever produced, while McGuigan was their architect and playmaker in attack. Now, they will pass on that wealth of knowledge and experience to the next generation of Tyrone stars. Both have already immersed themselves in coaching roles at club level, with McMenamin lauded for the work he has been doing with Dromore’s underage sides, while McGuigan was part of the Ardboe management team which guided the O’Donovan Rossa side to the Tyrone minor final a fortnight ago. It is understood that Donnelly and McHugh will step down from their roles at the end of the 2015 campaign, regardless of the outcome, and that would create a scenario which would allow a seamless transition for McGuigan and McMenamin to take over the lead roles heading into 2016 and beyond - See more at: http://ulsterherald.com/2014/09/02/mcguigan-and-mcmenamin-join-tyrone-minor-management-team/#sthash.Tu9M688R.dpuf
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 11:09:58 AM
Very positive to hear Ricey and Brian McGuigan are being groomed as future county managers. Unusually well thought out approach for Tyrone County Board rather than usual haphazard stuff. These 2 boys have a lot to offer. Great news for Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 02, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 02, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.


there is no way that is the case!! Can't be... surely mick donnelly was "given" these two by the county management committee!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
Your naivety is laughable NDA. You reckon the county board has a strategy? They aren't even aware that these men were being asked. Papering over the cracks.
You seem to know a lot. Maybe too much? My guess is your a dissenting voice in county board circles that was kept out of the loop then.
I'm no county board fan but this for a change is a first class piece of work.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 02, 2014, 12:23:32 PM
No such thing as a dissenting voice in the county board.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 02, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on September 02, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2014, 03:38:26 PM
A similar management strategy was tried 2 years ago with the u21s!!  Didn't Philip Jordan and Brian Dooher help Raymond Munroe.  That didn't work out to well but perhaps Donnelly may be more open minded than what Munroe is rumoured to be.
Similar thing tried with u21s yes but my guy feeling is this is a better strategy. Ricey and Brian have more coaching experience and reports suggest they will be taking charge in 2016.

I've definitely seen Ricey with Dromore youth teams but does McGuigan take Ardboe youth teams? How can he have more coaching experience?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on September 02, 2014, 03:40:51 PM
He was over Ardboe minors this year not sure of his involvement in youth teams prior to that. Good move though IMO.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 02, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
I see it's being reported Hunky Dorys have pulled the plug next.

http://gaeliclife.com/2014/09/things-no-longer-hunky-dory-in-tyrone/


Tyrone GAA must find a new jersey sponsor for 2015, as well as for their domestic club championships, after Hunky Dorys opted not to renew their agreement.

The Meath-based crisp firm, whose parent company Largo Foods also owns the Tayto brand in the South of Ireland, came on board as Tyrone sponsors in November 2012 on an initial two year deal with the option to extend for a third year, but have informed Tyrone GAA that they will not be taking up that option.

Club delegates at tonight’s Tyrone county committee meeting were told that the sponsorship deal, worth six figures a year to Tyrone GAA, will expire at the end of the current Tyrone club championship series.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 02, 2014, 10:59:16 PM
Probably a key indicator that tyrone need a swift change in direction! Under new management in
My opinion!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2014, 11:09:45 PM
A bit of chaos re the minor management team?

As per Teamtalk tonight!

"Tyrone looking for new minor management following county committee meeting decision this evening. Full story to follow"
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 03, 2014, 11:54:47 AM
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The 2015 Tyrone minor management post remains open this morning following a decision taken at the county committee meeting last night.  It had been thought that Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh would be ratified as managers for the new season but they failed to garner enough votes from the county’s leading decision making body.  Donnelly and McHugh were in charge of the Tyrone minor footballers since the beginning of the 2011 season.

Nominations for the management posts now rest with the  clubs.  Those nominations and selection of the new management team are expected to be concluded in the coming weeks

So I guess the timing of yesterdays news on the addition of McGuigan & McMenamin to their backroom team was to gain support at last nights meeting, which didn't quite work.

To ratify a decision like this; how many votes are needed? 50%+1? 66%? Anyone here been a county board rep?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 03, 2014, 12:53:56 PM
Was it not the case that Donnelly was reinstated a couple of weeks ago "unopposed", from what i hear it was rushed through and there was actually another party which were interested, this party then made a complaint to the county committee.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on September 03, 2014, 02:34:50 PM
Was it not the case that Donnelly was reinstated a couple of weeks ago "unopposed", from what i hear it was rushed through and there was actually another party which were interested, this party then made a complaint to the county committee.

It's the worst kept secret in local football that two members of the 1986 team want the job next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 03, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
I'll guess

O'Hagan & Lynch?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 03:03:35 PM
So who has the job??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on September 03, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
They are advertising it in the Courier this week...........
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 05:03:27 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 03, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
Was told today that two lough shore men might drop parish rivalries and go for the minor job. Micky Donnelly will walk into a big club job next year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 06:47:56 PM
Was told today that two lough shore men might drop parish rivalries and go for the minor job. Micky Donnelly will walk into a big club job next year.

Ardboe and Moortown?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 06:53:26 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on September 03, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..

You're far from 50 big lad maybe you and your derrylaughan mate I heard are going for the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bigtogs on September 03, 2014, 09:01:56 PM
So who has the job??

You interested in it? You have a decent CV and good knowledge of footballing affairs around the county.

when u hit 50+ umpiring is my limit i am afraid..

You're far from 50 big lad maybe you and your derrylaughan mate I heard are going for the job.

barking up the wrong tree
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 10:06:14 AM
Apart from O'Hagan and Tar Lynch is there anyone else rumoured to be interested in the minor post?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 12:25:55 PM
Would Paul Devlin (Moortown) not be looking a go at it considering his success this year with Moortown minors?

What are the usual credentials for a minor manager? What where Mickey Donnellys for example?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 12:29:30 PM
There is a suggestion that Moortown have an equally as strong a minor side next year, I doubt Paul Devlin would walk away from his team just yet.

I know Mickey Donnelly had managed Mayobridge before taking on the minors, can't say for cetain that he won a Down championship with them but I am fairly certain he did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 04, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
There is a suggestion that Moortown have an equally as strong a minor side next year, I doubt Paul Devlin would walk away from his team just yet.

I know Mickey Donnelly had managed Mayobridge before taking on the minors, can't say for cetain that he won a Down championship with them but I am fairly certain he did.

Yeah I hear only 2/3 are overage next year - could you not do both?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
In theory he probably could but if you were to look at it cynically, it would make his job as Moortown managers easier as he would be working closely with the key players from the clubs challenging them for honours.

I would also expect a minor manager to be taking in club games to keep an eye out on players, if he was managing his own team he couldn’t do this as he’d only see the players his own club faced.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 04, 2014, 05:20:44 PM
Would Paul Devlin (Moortown) not be looking a go at it considering his success this year with Moortown minors?

What are the usual credentials for a minor manager? What where Mickey Donnellys for example?
Paul Dook yes had great year with murtin minirs but hes no Ollie Mallaghan who along with Benny Hurl raised the bar in minor football
Mickey Donnelly wasnt even at the minor final this year and him expected to take the tyrone minors next year with probably between murtin and ardboe you could have picked at least 6-8 for the team.this year never mind looking for next year

How many grade 1 games did he go since he took charge??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on September 04, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Hugh the root !!!
Is that you?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 04, 2014, 07:04:48 PM
 8) ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on September 04, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Scullys not far aff the mark, Olly Mallaghan and Benny Hurl definitely raised rhe bar within youth football in tyrone and left lads in Ardboe with a pocket fulla medals, indeed Benny was involved with development squads in tyrone and was well respected  but his face didnt suit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 04, 2014, 09:26:37 PM
I would have no hesitation having Benny Hurl involved with the minors but we all know that won't happen under the current chairmans watch. That said if the Co Committee has the power to remove Mickey Donnelly do they have the same say when it comes to voting for a new management team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on September 04, 2014, 10:55:01 PM
Sean Teague?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on September 05, 2014, 01:37:28 AM
Raised the bar??? They didn't win an Ulster title ffs. Omagh, Fianna and Errigal have all done that in the last 10 years. Good wee team but that comment was way off. There would be worse ideas than bringing Raymond Munroe back. Suits U18 management and has a proven track record.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: highballlow on September 05, 2014, 11:49:12 AM
I see the rumour mill has already begun on the next team sponsor,heard talk of Moy Park but this is a new one.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Hand-Fan/787751621266690



Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on September 05, 2014, 01:06:24 PM
I see the rumour mill has already begun on the next team sponsor,heard talk of Moy Park but this is a new one.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Hand-Fan/787751621266690
You've created a new facebook page & gaaboard account just to tell us this?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: wee scully on September 05, 2014, 10:53:38 PM
Raised the bar??? They didn't win an Ulster title ffs. Omagh, Fianna and Errigal have all done that in the last 10 years. Good wee team but that comment was way off. There would be worse ideas than bringing Raymond Munroe back. Suits U18 management and has a proven track record.

Only omagh and ardboe have ever got to three grade 1 minor finals in a row which is some achievement in anyones eyes

Ardboe fell short in ulster 2 years in a row against the king pins of youth football in Glen Maghera
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 09:14:29 AM
It would appear that Micky Donnelly is still the county Minor Manager despite not havng the support of the County Committee. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 17, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
It would appear that Micky Donnelly is still the county Minor Manager despite not havng the support of the County Committee.
Was there a meeting last night?
How did that go?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 10:13:13 AM
Have no idea how the meeting went, just heard on the grapevine that Micky Donnelly is still the Minor Manager.  If anyone can confirm that?  I know Teamtalk said Tyrone were seeking nominations for new Minor Management.  I heard different this morning
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on September 17, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
Still the manager for now, another meeting to be called, needs a 2/3 majority to overturn that and open the position up for nominations.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on September 17, 2014, 12:22:54 PM
Still the manager for now, another meeting to be called, needs a 2/3 majority to overturn that and open the position up for nominations.

Could you be bothered if ratification took this long - I think I would just walk away!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on September 17, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
Is it not a bit of a farce that over half the County Committee voted that they have no faith in this man, yet your being told it has to be 2 thirds?  I hope they get the majority they need.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
This is some farce.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 17, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
What a mess.
Apparently the Co Committee didn't follow the correct procedure, now another vote is required to either remove or retain existing management. As is stands Mickey Donnelly and Kieran McHugh remain in the job, if I was them I think I would have got the message by now.....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Find it hard to believe the guys will stay on in the known circumstances.  But at the same time this could be a handlin we could do without.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on September 17, 2014, 08:04:48 PM
Something to do with Micky Donnelly managing another team according to our cc member.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on September 17, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
It is alleged that he was also managing a club team in Fermanagh, I'm told this isn't permitted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on September 17, 2014, 08:29:13 PM
It is alleged that he was also managing a club team in Fermanagh, I'm told this isn't permitted.

custard cant be happy with all this
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on September 17, 2014, 09:58:10 PM
     We' re playing Monaghan on 31st January in the league.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on September 17, 2014, 11:11:15 PM
Round 2,Mayo away Sunday Feb8th2pm Castlebar.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BADONEY on September 17, 2014, 11:54:27 PM
Tyrone  national league fixtures 2015,
Round1 Monaghan Home Sat Jan31st
Round2 Mayo away  Sunday Feb 8th
Round 3, Sat Feb 28th Derry home
Round 4, Sat 7th March Dublin away
Round 5, Cork homeSunday 15thMarch
Round 6,Donegal  away sat 28thMarch
Round 7, Kerry home Sunday 5th April.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on September 18, 2014, 01:14:08 PM
Tyrone  national league fixtures 2015,
Round1 Monaghan Home Sat Jan31st
Round2 Mayo away  Sunday Feb 8th
Round 3, Sat Feb 28th Derry home
Round 4, Sat 7th March Dublin away
Round 5, Cork homeSunday 15thMarch
Round 6,Donegal  away sat 28thMarch
Round 7, Kerry home Sunday 5th April.

Would want max points from the first 3 rounds as there is nothing easy after that!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 09, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Right so we have a tough league campaign followed by a even tougher Ulster championship, with a dry run up in Ballybofey at the end of March.

What are our realistic ambitions and what do we need to do to achieve them?

Stay up and a run in the qualifiers, League final and an Ulster championship or League and All Ireland?

A new style of play?
A winter in the gym?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: twenty one yard free on October 12, 2014, 09:20:51 AM
Rumours that fergus is back and intends filling a hole in the tyrone defence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on October 12, 2014, 09:56:37 AM
Dont know if you are just slagging the fella, but if the lad has recovered I would not be against him trying to reestablish a positive reputation.   Will be tough..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on October 12, 2014, 06:43:05 PM
Rumours that fergus is back and intends filling a hole in the tyrone defence


Looks to be true, introduced to the lads at a session this week. He will need one tough skin as he will get serious sledging I'm sure at county and club level
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 13, 2014, 11:12:17 AM
Thats good news for the fella. Hope everyone can give him a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 13, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
We could have done with him a few times last season all right. For whatever reason we havnt been able to find any decent corner backs.
Good luck to the fella, a rocky road ahead of him no doubt.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 13, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
I see the tyrone minor management debacle rumbles on.

I happen to come across some twisting about it on twitter - I think it was between county board officials!!!

Talk about airing dirty laundry in public!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: barelegs on October 13, 2014, 12:41:36 PM
Might be a job that's a poison chalice. The Under 17s were hammered in the Jim McGuigan final this year by Donegal who they meet in the opening round of the championship. Now that'll count for nothing in May but if Tyrone are beat there'll be some crying one way or another by the other party.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandloo on October 13, 2014, 02:30:39 PM
Might be a job that's a poison chalice. The Under 17s were hammered in the Jim McGuigan final this year by Donegal who they meet in the opening round of the championship. Now that'll count for nothing in May but if Tyrone are beat there'll be some crying one way or another by the other party.

We're no worse off than Donegal who are making Declan Bonner reapply

Correction.
We are just as bad as Donegal.  Our minor management also had to reapply following last year's All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 15, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on October 15, 2014, 02:32:27 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064

I am very surprised at this also that he hasn't walked by now but possibly he is going to play the 'smart' game and seek revenge.

He could be lying in the grass waiting on this whole saga to unfold, clarifications etc which could all take a few more weeks and then when all is said and done he will inform the county board that he is no longer interested and leave them high and dry with wasted time and money and no manager - then trying to get a manager to get all sorted out regarding trials will be a nightmare. apparently Derry have already completed their trials and are ready to go ....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 16, 2014, 04:05:48 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 16, 2014, 04:10:16 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shawshank on October 16, 2014, 05:39:19 PM
Red Hands seek Croker clarification after Donnelly loses minor vote!!


Hoganstand have got hold of this story that Tyrone County Board don't have a clue what's going on up on the hill.  They have asked Croke Park for clarification to find out if Mick Donnelly is still our Minor Manager. This is a farce. I'm surprised Micky hasn't walked away from this knowing he doesn't have the support of the county clubs.

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=226064

I am very surprised at this also that he hasn't walked by now but possibly he is going to play the 'smart' game and seek revenge.

He could be lying in the grass waiting on this whole saga to unfold, clarifications etc which could all take a few more weeks and then when all is said and done he will inform the county board that he is no longer interested and leave them high and dry with wasted time and money and no manager - then trying to get a manager to get all sorted out regarding trials will be a nightmare. apparently Derry have already completed their trials and are ready to go ....

This is the first time in years that Derry is that well advanced, in saying that there still a small number if players not on the panel who may feature yet
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 17, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.

I support him coming back - everyone has their issues but I actually thought he had changed his name!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on October 17, 2014, 05:23:39 PM
Any word of Tyrone retirements or shall we also say forced retirements for 2015.

Any idea of who will be coming in? Bar Fergus

Can we stop this Fergus shit. He is going to need as much support as possible, especially from Tyrone people, players and supporters.

I support him coming back - everyone has their issues but I actually thought he had changed his name!

I dont support his return In anyway. Man is lowest of the low. Has repeatedly stole money and defrauded people over and over again. Alot of whom were good tyrone gaa people. Showed no remorse at any stage. And for mickey to bring this man in shows a complete lack of respect to decent tyrone gaa people who have been conned by this con artist.im ignoring the video farce but I cant look past what he has done before
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on October 18, 2014, 08:41:16 PM
I don't agree with the beards sentiment in anyway, but I hope Mickey Harte knows what he is doing. Tyrone GAA is a very fragmented group at the moment. I can't recall as much frustration  at anytime as now when you look amongst county board officials, management, players, supporters, sponsers, referees etc
So much internal conflict. Ultimately I don't think that'll ease until the senior manager decides he has had enough, but that aside we don't need more devisive scenarios like this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on October 20, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
Mc Carron was at the fitness tests in Cookstown.  What worries me is that we cant even hold our fitness testing in the multi million pound 'Centre of Excellence'  :-\ :-\

Looking fwd and putting all the above aside I feel the introduction of Peter Donnelly to the Tyrone setup will bring great change.  A born leader, winner, captain and now - excellent trainer he can only help Tyrone.  I Believe we still have the talent, that there is no doubt but we must add steel, grit and will to win.  All of which Donnelly will bring to the table.  He will not accept excuses from the current bunch which I believe there to be plenty...Conditioning is crucial in the modern game and Donnelly will provide a fresh approach to that.  I fancy us to give it a real rattle this year.



   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on October 20, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
I heard the general consensus amongst the players where that they didn't want to turn their backs to Cathal McCarron - well I suppose would you??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on October 20, 2014, 06:21:59 PM
Mc Carron was at the fitness tests in Cookstown.  What worries me is that we cant even hold our fitness testing in the multi million pound 'Centre of Excellence'  :-\ :-\

Looking fwd and putting all the above aside I feel the introduction of Peter Donnelly to the Tyrone setup will bring great change.  A born leader, winner, captain and now - excellent trainer he can only help Tyrone.  I Believe we still have the talent, that there is no doubt but we must add steel, grit and will to win.  All of which Donnelly will bring to the table.  He will not accept excuses from the current bunch which I believe there to be plenty...Conditioning is crucial in the modern game and Donnelly will provide a fresh approach to that.  I fancy us to give it a real rattle this year.

Is there a Carmen clear out? Our two fellas went through the fitness test but no word of Michael Cassidy. Surely he must be in line for a call up shortly?


 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on October 23, 2014, 10:20:39 PM
Was there not talk of Mattie Donnelly walking away or never playing in the same team as Mc Carron ever again???????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: billabong on October 24, 2014, 07:44:08 AM
I heard the general consensus amongst the players where that they didn't want to turn their backs to Cathal McCarron - well I suppose would you??

 ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on October 24, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
I have it on good authority that Mickey Donnelly is to be ratified as minor manager for another year. Croke Park must have ruled in his favour.

Assuming this will be brought before the county committee on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on October 24, 2014, 11:14:29 AM
Was there not talk of Mattie Donnelly walking away or never playing in the same team as Mc Carron ever again???????

I suspect that he will climb down from this threat and continue his county career.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Napper on October 24, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
I have it on good authority that Mickey Donnelly is to be ratified as minor manager for another year. Croke Park must have ruled in his favour.

Assuming this will be brought before the county committee on Tuesday night.

Mickey Donnelly was in the big house on the hill last night running fitness tests. He does not need to be ratified. He is already in place doing the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on October 24, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on October 24, 2014, 04:05:14 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.
+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on October 24, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Ruairi Sludden has had an excellent year for Dromore,maybe worth a look.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on October 24, 2014, 07:49:49 PM
Patrick Quinn and Padraig McNulty bound to get a call up after their performance for dungannon in this years championship.
Dwayne Quinn also worth a trial along with the two sluddens.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on October 25, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Never did like the thrash talk but as Dromore were the worst for it, can hardly complain now if McCarron gets it. Like who sets the rules on how low it can go, certainly not some of his team-mates... 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2014, 06:55:06 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on October 27, 2014, 07:09:28 PM
Just think Bradley may have the same problem as McCurry has to an extent - his size. He will be very small for Senior intercounty footbal but an excellent inside forward he is, no doubt in that. I'd give any defender who looks half decent a trial because other than Aidy McCrory our full back line was woeful last year. I think thats 99% of the reason McCarrons back in the fold. Drastic times/drastic measures and all that. Also would leave Ruari Sludden to focus on U21s. Don't think he's ready for intercounty senior yet and a good year with U21s would be more beneficial to him probably than being on the fringe of our senior panel. Same goes for most of our U21s, let the lads focus on their own grade and those who show up best get drafted into the panel? Seems to me a reasonable idea.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
Just think Bradley may have the same problem as McCurry has to an extent - his size. He will be very small for Senior intercounty footbal but an excellent inside forward he is, no doubt in that. I'd give any defender who looks half decent a trial because other than Aidy McCrory our full back line was woeful last year. I think thats 99% of the reason McCarrons back in the fold. Drastic times/drastic measures and all that. Also would leave Ruari Sludden to focus on U21s. Don't think he's ready for intercounty senior yet and a good year with U21s would be more beneficial to him probably than being on the fringe of our senior panel. Same goes for most of our U21s, let the lads focus on their own grade and those who show up best get drafted into the panel? Seems to me a reasonable idea.
ruari sludden was kicked of the u21 panel last year,maybe he has changed this year but I don't think he has the right mentality for county football.remember you have to nearly train 4/5 nights a week.niall sludden should get a look at for sure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 27, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday

What year was Gorman Co minor captain before he broke his leg?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on October 28, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.

Ruairi Loughran Carrickmore
Michael Cassidy Ardboe
Frank Burns Pomeroy
Hugh Pat McGeary Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann Killyclogher
Jason Mc Anulla Omagh
Shane O'Hagan Clonoe
 
Any of these lads worth a shot?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on October 29, 2014, 07:56:21 AM
Anyone know of names Harte has approached to join the squad? Niall Sludden has to be a certainty to get on the panel this year. If he does I've not a doubt in my mind he'll be in the starting team come summer. Class act.

Ruairi Loughran Carrickmore
Michael Cassidy Ardboe
Frank Burns Pomeroy
Hugh Pat McGeary Pomeroy
Conall Mc Cann Killyclogher
Jason Mc Anulla Omagh
Shane O'Hagan Clonoe
 
Any of these lads worth a shot?
After the last couple of years anyone fresh is worth a shot.
Think McAnulla was on the panel before, would be surprised if O'Hagen was interested but he and McCann would give a good presence around the middle.
Loughran and Cassidy are 2 good players, McGeary and Burns were good minors but I havent seen them play since.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on October 29, 2014, 10:03:09 AM
Kieran McGeary Pomeroy would be a great option. Class act
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on October 29, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
if thats the quality of new players ticket sales would be poor imo
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on October 29, 2014, 10:39:56 AM
if thats the quality of new players ticket sales would be poor imo

Ticket sales? You must have this mixed up with the Man Utd thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on October 29, 2014, 11:44:22 AM
Out of those names, Cassidy is the only one I feel would add a  difference, looks the real deal. Loughran is a decent footballer but not sure he has the pace/power for county level but maybe that could be worked on, so worth a chance. Shane OHahan is now 28-29 and not county material in my view. McAnulla decent but has been there before as said and dont think is interested.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: SuperHo on October 30, 2014, 12:29:43 PM
 Gorman minor 08 i think.was against down in omey ??
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 03, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
danny Gorman and mark Bradley should def be worth a look at from killyclogher.very impressive on sunday

What year was Gorman Co minor captain before he broke his leg?

Not sure what year, but it was his cruciate. He recovered and then did it again the following year!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 03, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
I watched the Omagh v Cross game yesterday and whilst I was delighted they came back and won it in the end I couldn't help but think how their style of play is very similar to that of the county team.
This slow sideways passing up the pitch which often gets broken down by one stray pass is very hard to watch and seems prevalent now in the game.

I couldn't help feeling dejected listening to the TG4 host interview Mickey Harte about the year ahead and will he be taking in new backroom staff and will there be a fresh approach. "Not really" was more or less the response I heard as yes he has Peter Donnelly as new S&C coach but sounds like it will be Mickey and Horse as the only men at the wheel. From chatting to a few ex players last year I hear relationships between a lot of the players and Mickey are at an all time low with very little communication happening and an unpleasant awkwardness about approaching Mickey. I suppose players feel he's hard to approach with all that he's been through yet there are issues that need to be challenged. From what I hear Horse is a YES man to Mickey and that's what Mickey likes. Nobody questioning him.
Tony Donnelly was the man all the players went to before by all accounts so does Gavin Devlin play that role now.

It's hard to know what's going on for someone like me down in Dublin but it seemed to me that there was a large contingent of Tyrone Gaels thought it was time for Mickey to leave in the last year or 2. Certainly as we went our early last year most of us thought that was the last straw.

Our style of play (maybe influenced by trying to beat Donegal/Monaghan) has become very ugly and slow in my opinion. I saw it again yesterday with Omagh "Crab passing" as I call it up the pitch. I've watched it with Tyrone the last few years and it is so frustrating that the pace and intelligent football we used to play is now totally nullified with this paranoia about trying to keep possession at all cost.

More often that not we try a short kick out. Work it back and forward around the full and half back line whilst forwards try to make good runs into space but never get the pass.
Then one loose pass gets intercepted and suddenly we're on the back foot again.
Whilst the game has changed radically in the last few years and even the "Mighty" Kerry have changed their style to counteract this, I think Tyrone football has become very stale and needs a good kick up the hole. Just my own opinion.

Fear is the word that holds us all back in life and I think Tyrone players now are playing with a huge element of fear under the manager that helped us win our first and ALL 3 All-Irelands.
It seems to me as there as been a big fudge this year with us all fed up with Mickey's antics & stubbornness yet instead of Mickey resigning, his 2 assistants resigned instead. Did they do this themselves to try to encourage Mickey to go? I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows for SURE.

Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion so please don't start giving me a hard time for starting a Mickey Witch hunt at Haloween. Of course the man is a legend in Tyrone and around all of Ireland and of course most people outside the county will take the easy option and say how could you ask him to step down. He's earned that respect to stay as long as he wants. Yes all true but I am just curious what people think within Tyrone and that's why I posted this in here and not out on the main board page.

I for one and I know there were many others was really not impressed travelling hundred of miles last year to watch some of the tripe football we played and some of the team selections he made.
He actually apologised for it down in Kerry I think after the league defeat which is grand if he then learns from it but I don't think he did.
I'm curious now that the season closes and we approach a new national League season with the same manager and to me same ideas.
I am not expecting to win the AI and think we got lucky with the draw 2 seasons ago to make the semis but I do think we still have the makings of a fine team that should at least be winning Ulster a bit more.
With players like Morgan, Justy, Joey, Gormley(even still), Sean & Colm, Clarke, Barry Tierney, Ronan O'Neill, Coney, McCurry I think with the right tactics and mindset and as Jim McGuinness showed belief that we can still be a force

For me anyway, under Mickey we are going backwards and that most important thing belief isn't there.
It reminds me of how players see Roy Keane as a manager. Huge amount of respect for the man and what he achieved but scared shitless of letting him down, making a mistake, pissing him off and so on the field they will play with FEAR and be cautious which leads to mistakes.

As usual people ask yes yes but who would replace him? Who would do a better job?
An easy reply but that reply just shows that you don't accept how bad things are in reality. Yes Mickey was sharp back in the 2000's when we were winning things and made the player believe they were the best but I don't think he has that influence any more. He hardly even talks to the players by all accounts.
Of course I hope he proves us wrong but to me I am not looking forward to the season ahead or to my birthday on the 7th March when Tyrone come to Croke Park to play the Dubs. A game I used to look forward to every year and how they used to fear us. Now they don't even consider us a threat any more.
I'd like to hear people's thoughts as to me the whole thing was swept under the carpet when the backroom staff resigned.
Have many of ye stopped going to away matches the way you used to?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Congratulations to Omagh yesterday and to any of the Omagh heads on here.  They matched us in the second half and worked hard and as a result the ball fell their way.  That's the way the thing goes and they have to be commended on that.  There are questions that can be asked about refereeing and other matters but the reality is that the team that worked hardest for the full 60 minutes and most importantly for the last 10 minutes won.  The sendings off played a key part in that as many of our men were dead on their feet by then and the decision making went awry but there are no complaints about either sending off.

Anyway best of luck now for the rest of the championship, remember there are no medals given out for winning 1/ finals no matter who you beat.  The semi opponents will be tough enough,  probably Letterkenny, but they are very beatable. I reckon Slaughtniel might surprise a few on the other side of the draw and get through,  Mickey Moran is a shrewd man on the line.  They will play a very similar brand of football to Omagh and the final would be a very attritional one if both teams make it but it is there for Omagh to win it if they want to.  They have the talent anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Puckoon on November 03, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
Cheers BC1. Hard luck yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on November 03, 2014, 06:14:16 PM
very gracious bc1. the standard of armagh championship certainly didn't help. nothing like the white heat of battle to sharpen a team. maybe that caught cross cold in last 10mins

good post by fuzz man. spot on with most of it i think
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 04, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I see today that the Irish News are reporting that Cathal McCarron attended the latest round of Tyrone trials.  Does Cathal have a club confirmed? I hope he will be given the chance to put the past behind him.  However lets be honest in club football he will be singled out for attention every single game he will need a lot of self discipline to get through the year.

I genuinely hope he comes back to be a real asset to Tyrone and can let the past stay in the past.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 04, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
From what i heard he is going to Dungannon, not sure how true that is. Im sure hes big enough to take it  :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on November 05, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
Its interesting that Ger Cavlan didn't get a second chance yet Mc Carron is given a chance to resurrect himself.  Cavlan was one of my all time favourites...My only worry is the disruption this could cause...perhaps none.....There is no doubting the lads talent and there is a need for quality defenders in the squad.  The difference from the Ger Cavlan episode is that Tyrone didn't need Cavlan at the time of his scandal where as Tyrone and Harte need some defenders!..

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on November 05, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 05, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention? 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 05, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention?

I heard that it was actually discovered in Oz by an ex pat but then again it would be interesting to trace it back to the first man that laid eyes on it! lol
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on November 05, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
Never watched or had any intention of watching the video, I wonder how someone from here ever stumbled across it in the first place?  How do you bring that to your mates attention?

I heard that it was actually discovered in Oz by an ex pat but then again it would be interesting to trace it back to the first man that laid eyes on it! lol

Why? People watch porn. A lot of people watch porn. Do you? I'm sure there are plenty of gay guys that play gaelic too you know- Cathal would have been easily identified here.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on November 05, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\

Any cream on the cake?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on November 05, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
Always thought about how Cavlan was treated differently, but as you say he was at the end of his career and no longer required.  What exactly did McCarron do in the video?  Did he interact with anyone else or was it a solo?
you dont want to know  :-[

Lets just say he had his cake and he ate it......... :-\

Any cream on the cake?

Not when he was finished with it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 06, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
My God, I know I was stirring it a bit and people don't wanna say too much about Mickey H but was there really a need to change the topic THIS DRASTICALLY

Lads we're talking about a decent player who will no doubt get a hard enough time next year so maybe we should delete some of those posts
Other counties will be only too delighted to read about it all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on November 06, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
From what i heard he is going to Dungannon, not sure how true that is. Im sure hes big enough to take it  :-X

Can't see Dungannon taking him. Young Walsh is a fine full back and the Clarkes seem to have put their faith in this decent young crop of players coming through.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on November 06, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
I don't think it's all jst the fact about his porno as to why he shud or shudnt be on the panel,it's the fact that he was out breaking into house and stealing from his friends,neighbours,employers,club etc!
In my opinion he shudnt be there and I can say I won't be supporting Tyrone for as long as he's on the panel! I'm led I believe no apology has ever been given and stolen money never returned!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 06, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
Would Trillick take him?

He could register with a hurling or handball club and still make the panel. Canavan was with Killyclogher HC in his Glencull days. Dromore have a hurling club, Naomh Eoin.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 06, 2014, 11:16:28 PM
at the end of the day what mccarron does in his spare time is up to him. what worries me more is the continued need for mickey to continue with his little projects first reigning in the horse now getting fergus back on the straight and narrow excuse the pun. it smacks of desperation all round but i suppose thats where the tyrone football manager now finds himself. there must be huge pressure now on mickey not only is he the longest serving but must be the oldest intercounty manager by a long shot he has presided over 4 years of dross and ever diminishing returns. the question for anybody looking on the outside to mickey is why has he not been able to get a performance of note out of this current squad. Today i see its the 08 panels fault thats rich coming from a man who continued to suffocate any of those guys development unless he shared a similar surname.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: orangeman on November 07, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 09:33:21 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.

Did Tyrone win - No.

2nd and below is nowhere and is not the standard of a top team which Tyrone believe themselves to be in although I very much doubt that myself. We have gone downhill big time since 2008. Yes, most counties would give up their arm and leg for that result in 2013 but most counties have not won 3 out of the last 10 AI and had Minor success also in that period. With the success we have had in recent years (since 2003) at all levels I believe we should be in a better position than we currently are - realistically we are not even in top 3 in Ulster any more therefore would struggle to get into most peoples top 10 for Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on November 07, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
The argument off Harte staying or going will rumble on...Personally I feel Tyrone football needs a fresh face, fresh ideas and a renewed sense of vigour and pride.  The thing that worries me is talk that Harte's relationship with the players in non existent...surely this will have an effect on performance and desire....added to that the return of MC Carron - will it have a negative effect on the camp...?

Look at how they do things in Kerry...and this is important.  Apart from Paudi O' Se each manager has stayed no longer than 3 years at a time...they freshen things up...change the voice, change the players, change the ideas...This hasn't happened in Tyrone, we have stuck with Harte, let him control all football in the county, let him decide where our centre of excellence should be located (On top of a hill which no facilities to pre season fitness test) and we are afraid to challenge him and his ways...

Jack O Connor  2004-2006   2 AI and 2 Munster Titles
Pat O Shea  2007-2008       1 AI and 1 Munster Titles
Jack O Connor 2009-2012   1 AI and 2 Munster Titles
Eamon Fitzmaurice 2013 - ? 1 AI and 2 Munster Titles

4 Management Changes 5 All Irelands in 10 Years





Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on November 07, 2014, 10:13:30 AM
Taking McCarron back smacks of absolute desperation.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on November 07, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
When you look at the minor record of the past 10 years it is unreal that things are not better.  We go into another season with a huge hole at u-21 too.  Change is needed, and I don't think MH is going to change too much this year coming.  Another under-achieving season beckons.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 07, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
2013 Tyrone reached the AI semi final, had no luck at all in the game, injuries, dodgy penalty etc. the minors reached the final, beaten narrowly. Hardly dross surely. Most counties would give their an arm, a leg and plenty more to be in that position.

And if Sean Cavanagh had not of made 'that tackle' we'd have been out on our holes at the QF.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on November 07, 2014, 11:23:21 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 07, 2014, 12:27:37 PM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.

You are making a good case for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on November 07, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
was interesting to hear Harte say on TG4 last week when interviewed that he was going to be more "hands on" this year and that his mgmt team is staying as currently is i.e. him, horse and Donnelly (donnelly having a role at all levels of course). Will that be enough to inspire the players? By all accounts his hands off approach with most players hasnt worked up to now, but then again was this not the way he operated even in the glory years when his interaction was really only with some of the key players. I have heard from a few sources that if next year is to be his last, he will pull out "all" stops to ensure tyrone get precedence over club football, more so than before.

On the McCarron thing, its going to divide the county, it is already..yes the mantra is - we should forgive and forget, but the apparent destruction this man has left behind leaves a big element of mistrust which cant be good for the camp.

I believe this is to be the case also - club football will be destroyed in Tyrone in 2015 - MH will issue ultimate pressure on players to focus on county only and will use other counties are prime examples of how it leads to success - Donegal, Kerry, Dublin, even Armagh. I think this year we will see limited access to our county players especially with a prelim game v Donegal in early May. If we use the normal 2 week rule then that means end of April / early May and with Easter in April next year we could see a scenario whereby only 2 or 3 A.C.L games played before Tyrone play Donegal.

You are making a good case for him.

I think in fairness this is well known and every county manager would be aware that these counties don't really release their county players unless it is Championship or other important games. Some of these counties have a system whereby championship is not straight knockout so their players are released for minimum all championship games - read somewhere this week that one county actually has 2 groups of 6 for their championship with top 2 qualify for semi finals...Counties not releasing players has been ongoing for some time but I think this year MH will apply some real  pressure and it will be quite interesting to see what happens - our club scene is very competitive and clubs cant afford to be without their key players so will be a highly debatable issue when it comes around at county board level...I hope that all clubs stand their ground and refuse to allow county men more than 5 games absence
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 07, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
I think its more to do with the players rather than Harte that things have regressed. At the end of the day how many chances has a lot of these fringe players to get to they put down two good performances together. Suffocate their development?? The players aren't making it easy for him, no consistency whatsoever! Yes he probably makes it worse by changing the team regularly but boys like Kyle Coney and the forwards in general continue to dissapoint time after time and show no signs of developing any kind of consistency. They simply can't put two good games back to back. The group of the 00's was special, couldn't name 3 of the players under 28 who have the character of the men in them teams.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 07, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
I was out at a night at the dogs last night with our Tyrone Assoc Dublin and halfway through the meal I asked the table of 10 Who would ye pick as your new Tyrone Manager if Mickey was to step down.

Of course I just wanted to spark debate and get a bit of banter going but alas, I only got dirty looks and virtually nobody answered.
I think that on it's own shows how sad our situation has become. Nobody even wants to discuss football any more in case they'll offend somebody. We're definitely in a bad rut and with the underage talent being left to fall away and not develop is a terrible waste in my opinion
I'm not saying everything is Mickey's fault but by God he's not helping things
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 07, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
when is someone in the county board going to force mr harte to toe the party line. the continued lack of communication interaction with clubs, players in the squad, the media and rte sends out a them and us message. or is it a deliberate protocol in terms of i dont know what im doing who knows. if we go back to 2008 every hound dog from ardboe to aghyaran knows that until caroline currid was brought into the squad to act as a go between the players and harte the players were jacking. we have not moved forward one dot since 2008. whos fault is that. lets just put the statue up in garvaghey for gods sake and be done with this current malaise. we need  a change of direction even if a 4th mckenna is secured god help us. its a known biological fact as you get older your aversion to risk increases.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 08, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
maybe i'm a bit nieve, but why cant he play for dromore anymore ?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 10, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Any word of of trials taking place or who is at them? Could do with finding a few defenders, a midfield option or 2 and and a couple of half forwards forward for starters. Would be good to see mcmahons staying fit and making a big push next year. Justy looks in better shape than has for years. Will also be good to see Clarke back. In terms of players for trials I assume some of the following will be involved:

Mccarron
Swift (if staying home)
Gorman
Mark Bradley (looks to have bulked out a we bit but still very small, could even be worth a go at 11 anyway)
Meyler
Hugh Gallagher
Mcnulty
Walsh
Niall sludden
Burns (how's he progressing?)

Many others out there worth a go? Tierney from the Omagh games looks a real option at half back.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 10, 2014, 11:54:19 PM
Any word of of trials taking place or who is at them? Could do with finding a few defenders, a midfield option or 2 and and a couple of half forwards forward for starters. Would be good to see mcmahons staying fit and making a big push next year. Justy looks in better shape than has for years. Will also be good to see Clarke back. In terms of players for trials I assume some of the following will be involved:

Mccarron
Swift (if staying home)
Gorman
Mark Bradley (looks to have bulked out a we bit but still very small, could even be worth a go at 11 anyway)
Meyler
Hugh Gallagher
Mcnulty
Walsh
Niall sludden
Burns (how's he progressing?)

Many others out there worth a go? Tierney from the Omagh games looks a real option at half back.

I 'believe' Cathal McShane from our Club is up training with the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 11, 2014, 12:51:26 PM
Gaelic Players Association Releases

Statement on behalf of Cathal McCarron, Tyrone

Cathal McCarron and the Tyrone senior football management would like to inform the national media that Cathal is currently working on his personal fitness under a strength and conditioning coach with a view to returning to full training with the Tyrone squad when they regroup next month.

While conveying this positive news we would like to point out that Cathal will not be engaging with media in any capacity for the foreseeable future.

On behalf of Cathal, the Tyrone squad and management, the GPA would kindly ask you to respect Cathal’s need to focus on his recovery and his return to football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: mick999 on November 11, 2014, 12:59:28 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-confirm-the-likely-return-of-cathal-mccarron-to-panel-1.1996346
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bensars on November 11, 2014, 01:52:50 PM
I think its more to do with the players rather than Harte that things have regressed. At the end of the day how many chances has a lot of these fringe players to get to they put down two good performances together. Suffocate their development?? The players aren't making it easy for him, no consistency whatsoever! Yes he probably makes it worse by changing the team regularly but boys like Kyle Coney and the forwards in general continue to dissapoint time after time and show no signs of developing any kind of consistency. They simply can't put two good games back to back. The group of the 00's was special, couldn't name 3 of the players under 28 who have the character of the men in them teams.



In fairness to the forwards ( especially the full forward line ) it must be nightmare to play in.

Handpass central- goalkeeper to full back out to corner back- handpass back to full back- out to wing half back- back into centre- back out to wing half back- hand pass to wnghalf forward- hand pass to centre- another hand pass across the line- then all the way across the 40 yard line if not backwards.

By this stage the oppisition have set up camp.  Last year more shooting oppurtunities were created for Mattie Donnelly and half backs than were for the full forward line.

Contrast that to 10 years ago- the ball played fast and direct and ended with a shooter-  the ball broken or possession gained and a fast counter attack with decent balls into space for the full forward line. Aprox 4 or 5 men in possession moving the ball 100 yds at pace compared to now with 10 men having hands on the ball and moving it 40-50 yards slowly.

Its hard enough for some of these young fellas to make the breakthrough at senior county level without having to play in a set up that is designed to hold possession.

These young players take some of the responsibility but ultimatley the style that has developed is instructed from the sideline !
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on November 11, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Kieran McGeary of Pomeroy should get a look. Playing CHF in a St Mary's sigerson team that has beaten UUJ, DCU and QUB in Ryan Cup and from reports he is playing very well. Perhaps wait to see how he gets on with Tyrone U21's first though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 11, 2014, 10:45:52 PM
did i hear the mcnulty from dungannon and dwyane quinn from clonoe have been asked to join the training panel. like both of them physical and direct. badly needed physicality weve turned into soft lateral handpassing jessies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on November 12, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
John McCullagh from Greencastle also asked to attend a trial.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on November 14, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
O'Neill and Penrose call it a day

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584)

2 great servants for Tyrone. O'Neill especially was a joy to watch when injury free, scored some fantastic points down the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on November 14, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
O'Neill and Penrose call it a day

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/30050584)

2 great servants for Tyrone. O'Neill especially was a joy to watch when injury free, scored some fantastic points down the years.

Big loss for Tyrone, however there is a real opportunity for some of the young lads coming into the panel. And no more excuses for some of the existing fringe players of recent years too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on November 14, 2014, 03:03:48 PM
Great players in their day, however they didnt play much last year and maybe the decision was made for them.  Exceptional talents and god only knows how good O'Neill could have been if he managed to stay injury free.  Stevie was one of the greatest
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 14, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
Watching Stevie take 10 points of Francie was the highlight for me although he scored some great goals over the years.
Always annoyed me how Refs would tend to make exceptions for great players like Stevie rather than just giving the free.
However I suppose that did come back to serve us well n 2005 when we got that last free

Was this the moment or was it a different one
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on November 14, 2014, 04:21:20 PM
His points v Dublin under the lights in Croke park that night was something special. A fit Stephen O'Neill was some addition to the Tyrone cause and it's just a pity that injury robbed us of his services more often than not.

A ball winner and finisher, strong as an Ox and bravery to match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 14, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
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Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 14, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
Watching Stevie take 10 points of Francie was the highlight for me although he scored some great goals over the years.
Always annoyed me how Refs would tend to make exceptions for great players like Stevie rather than just giving the free.
However I suppose that did come back to serve us well n 2005 when we got that last free

Was this the moment or was it a different one
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did my keever ever learn to tackle
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 15, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
The time was probably right for both players to go. They've given a lot to Tyrone but given age and miles on clock its probably unrealistic to expect them to get back to their best. Stevie O'Neill at his peak was a top top player and an absolute joy to watch. It's a shame his career was blighted so match by injury as we didn't get to see him at his best near often enough. Penrose gave a lot to the cause too and had a good impact on the 2008 All Ireland winning year as well as the minor title in 01.

On a different note will Cathal McCarron be able to play for Tyrone in the championship next year before taking part in the club championship? Does that rule only apply when you leave your native county? If it did apply to him he'll definitely hope for an early club championship next year.

Will be a nice way to start 2015 with a trip to an improving Armagh team on the first day out. Sounds as if work is already been put in for next year and its going to be needed. Definitely a big year for Harte. Considerable improvement needed and if doesnt happen his position will no doubt be under threat. But I think he deserves another go at it and hopefully can prove the doubters wrong - you don't win 6 All Irelands, multiple ulsters, ulster club championships, county championships etc by being a bad manager that some have painted on here and it certainly wasn't with one group of players as some try to make out. People can point to 3 or 4 bad years recently but he had a number of bad years with the minors before getting it right.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 15, 2014, 06:33:23 PM
First time in a long while MH has real pressure on him I imagine. Previous poor years were assuaged by him having a few years left on the contract ...but now he's in his final year and coming off possibly our worst season in over a decade.....definite improvement needed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 15, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
It's as valid a perspective as any of the harte basher s but is laughable as it's now as sure as Xmas that you will post this. I for one hope that he has a successful final year in charge of Tyrone football. What a great run we all had..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 15, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
It's as valid a perspective as any of the harte basher s but is laughable as it's now as sure as Xmas that you will post this. I for one hope that he has a successful final year in charge of Tyrone football. What a great run we all had..

I have no idea what you mean by this.

I don't regularly say much negative about MH and I'm absolutely grateful for everything the greatest manager in our history has done but like every other supporter who attends games rain hail or snow I'm entitled to an opinion. I sincerely hope Harte turns the ship around and would have no problem with him extending another term in office however last year was poor and there is no point saying otherwise.

The point I was making was that he has never been under the same sort of pressure tenure wise as will be next year. We have had bad years before, for various reasons and last year was our worst in a long time but Harte always knew he had the following year(s) to get things right, this time it looks like he must get it right or someone else will probably be in.

It's ridiculous that people are accused of 'Harte bashing' if they suggest anything other than all is rosy in the garden.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 15, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
I think he may have actually been giving me abuse for continually defending him. I agree that he's under the most amount of pressure he's been under since starting or early summer 08. And the team most show serious improvement this year for him to continue. But I do think there is a lack of balance on here when it comes to Harte.

It's a big year for a lot of the players who consistently haven't delivered enough as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on November 17, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
Sorry Tyrone man, it was santa this was aimed at.. Not abuse either.  I think its high time for rational debate on Tyrone future.  however not of the abusive kind. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on November 17, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Rational debate is in order indeed without this usual line of how can you question a man who won 3 AI's and several underage ones.
We all change and the game changes. Look at Arsene Wenger for Arsenal. They have been left behind for years now as they stuck with a man that wont change his ways. Ferguson knew when it was time to leave I think.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on November 17, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
the key question who would come in and do as good or better job.i cant think of anyone really.mal orourke maybe, that's it.2 years ago we reached al Ireland semi.this year tell a lot.not as much about micky but more about the players and how much they want to improve.look at the shape Clarke,matty are in.thats the level u have to be at to be winning al Irelands.plenty of skill in the team but some players aren't putting that extra bit in.mickey prob struggled with that,but that's were peter Donnelly will be key
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on November 19, 2014, 09:15:21 PM
Still no word on a new sponsor?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Rational debate is in order indeed without this usual line of how can you question a man who won 3 AI's and several underage ones.
We all change and the game changes. Look at Arsene Wenger for Arsenal. They have been left behind for years now as they stuck with a man that wont change his ways. Ferguson knew when it was time to leave I think.

Success over a ten plus years period has to be considered. So does the quality and performance of players which hasn't been good enough.

My biggest problem with criticism on here is it so often is irrational. In recent days for example people have been suggesting a load of Omagh players should have started last year, before that it was people about Clonoe players and I often have suspicions that they're looking at things with a bias to their own club players. I saw plenty of Tyrone last year and don't believe Ronan O'Neill or Grugan showed enough to be automatic starters. Both our young and will hopefully improve though.

 People have accused him of not making changes and sticking to his favourites. Last year he gave loads of opportunities to multiple players but they didn't deliver the goods. Some of the new players like Emmet McKenna I didn't think were ready to start but obviously Harte saw something in him and maybe he'll prove it going forward.

Like many others I'd like to see a more direct style of play. Though many of the successful teams in recent teams are playing a very similar style. Donegal and Kerry were both very defensive and slow build up in the final this year. If anything Tyrone were too attack minded at times.

The u21 performances over the last ten years concern me as much as anything and Harte hasn't been involved at that level. Our players don't seem to be progressing from minor to u21. So many good minors arent making the step at the next grade up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on November 19, 2014, 10:16:17 PM
Still no word on a new sponsor?

Was just thinking that myself. Big mistake if they miss out on the Christmas sales as nobody will want to buy a Hunky Dory top.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Another thing which is unreasonable is that some people here want Harte to let the players play in every club game and criticise him over availability of players while on the other still expect success at county level.

 The tyrone players play more club games from April to August than most other top counties such as Donegal and Dublin of even armagh where they played no games for a month before Cavan match last year.

It has cost tyrone with injuries on loads of occasions. I hope they continue to play in line with last year but given what tyrone are competing against its hard to expect them to available for all games. Though either way regular club games are a most, may have to come up with something to involve more games in some form without county players,
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 19, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
On a different note does anyone think mark Bradley is worth a call up? Only saw him for the u21s this year and he was decent enough. Was brilliant minor but was so small always had doubts over him making it.

What about swift? Thought he was a decent option at corner back up until leaving.

Only a few weeks until the annual McKenna cup uni row kicks in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 19, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on November 20, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

Hard to take your comments serious when you say he is one-sided! He has 2 equally good feet and has in the past taken frees with his right foot at club level. Only a player very strong on the perceived weaker foot would consider doing this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on November 20, 2014, 01:15:22 PM
Only pours from the optic with one side in McGinns - I think that's what hes on about!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on November 20, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

 ::) Aye, O'Neill, Mulligan, Cavlan, Coney are proof of that alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on November 20, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
is bradley better than oneill mccurry or mcaliskey i doubt it. very small for county ball and hes very one sided but has pace worth a look in mckenna and then hang him upside down on the stairs worked for peter shilton when he was growing. harte will include him as he is a image in his own making harte no fan of big forwards hang up from his own shortness competing with the likes of mcguigan and kerlin back in the 70s. if ure over 5 10 you wont make it up front and especially in the corner.

 ::) Aye, O'Neill, Mulligan, Cavlan, Coney are proof of that alright.

Enda Mc Ginley and Tommy McGuigan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on November 20, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
i didnt say he was one footed i said he was one sided read my post, (he needs blinkers to get him out of the top right side of the field) and i think he needs a wee stool to get him up to the optics in the said establishment. he will get his chance no doubt but hes while small boys and them wee short hamstrings will never stick county ball. i hope he stands up (what he is standing up) and prove me wrong as we need forwards. will he count in the physical stuff and what would happen if they line him out top of the right hed be having shots from the carpark at healy. mind you the best greyhound that ever lived master mcgrath needed alignment he pulled to the right as well so it can be done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omaghjoe on November 20, 2014, 06:34:11 PM
I know u have a shift key cause you got the brackets in
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on November 27, 2014, 07:22:38 PM
Noticed on Twitter that Tyrone are due to play Derry in the O'Fiaich cup in Cross next Saturday. Is this a first under Mickey?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on November 28, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
you be hoping gael nobody from st endas will be playing due to big result sunday
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on November 30, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
There isn't much details in terms of the o'fiaich cup. Like no mention of who else is playing in it. I assume armagh and Louth.

You'd have to guess the team will be made up more or less of players on trial. Maybe few fringe players from last year but no established ones. Would like to see new players in areas of pitch we're struggling most. Like corner back, holding centre half back, midfield and half forward.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfun on December 03, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
http://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/ (ftp://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/)

Does this mean BOI are Tyrone's new sponsors?

Will new jerseys have Bank Of Ireland on them?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on December 03, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
http://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/ (ftp://tyronegaa.ie/2014/12/tyrone-gaa-bank-of-ireland-announce-partnership/)

Does this mean BOI are Tyrone's new sponsors?

Will new jerseys have Bank Of Ireland on them?

No!! This is just a secondary sponsor similar to Moy Park.  Main sponsor is yet to be announced.  Think they are calling it Tyrone GAA's financial partner  I thought with Christmas coming we might of had word to get the Jersey sales up but all seems quiet.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 03, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
There isn't much details in terms of the o'fiaich cup. Like no mention of who else is playing in it. I assume armagh and Louth.

You'd have to guess the team will be made up more or less of players on trial. Maybe few fringe players from last year but no established ones. Would like to see new players in areas of pitch we're struggling most. Like corner back, holding centre half back, midfield and half forward.

That O'Fiach Cup had been postponed I believe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on December 03, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
good! Is enough of an overkill of county football...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on December 09, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
Will the new shirt sponsor be announced tonight?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Beantown on December 09, 2014, 09:14:51 PM
Will the new shirt sponsor be announced tonight?

Apparently so
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on December 09, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Congratulations to Roisin Jordan, Ireland's first female county chair. She takes on a big role at an important time for Tyrone GAA - best of luck to her.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 09, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
Aye best of luck to Roisin.  Here's to a new start for Tyrone gaa. Strong support for the clubs. strong support for the  county.  Let's push on...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 09, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
McAleer and Rushe the new sponsor.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on December 10, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Who is she?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on December 10, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
McAleer and Rushe the new sponsor.

So McAleer & Rushe have taken up the poisoned chalaice of sponsoring Tyrone! Hopefully they fair out better economically than our last 3 or 4 sponsors

Fair play to them though, its great to see genuine Tyrone people sponsoring the county side again. The likes of Seamus McAleer & Eamon Laverty have been involved with Club Tyrone from its inception.

Their yellow and blue logo will clash with the jersey colours but I suppose its no different to hunky dorys
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on December 10, 2014, 12:14:17 PM
Congrats to Roisin, for a county that has been viewed as conservative, this is monumental
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on December 10, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
My Irish is not great. Could somebody translate please?

Cathaoirleach – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
 Leas Cathaoirleach – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
 Rúnaí – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
 Leas Rúnaí – Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
 Cisteoir – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
 Leas Cisteoir – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
 Ard-Chomhairle – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
 Comhairle Uladh – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh)
 Oifigeach Chairdreamh Poibli – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
 Oifigeach Cultúr – Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
 Oifigeach Forbartha – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
 Oifigeach Oiliúna & Forbartha – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
 Oifigeach Iomána – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
 Oifigeach Leanaí – Adrian Nugent (Rock)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 10, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
ChairMAN – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
 Vice Chairman – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Secretary – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
 Vice Secetary– Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Treasurer – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
 Vice Treasurer – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
 Executive – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
 Ulster Council Rep – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh)
 PRO – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
 Cultural Officer– Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
 Development Officer – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Training & Development – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Hurling Officer – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Childrens Officer– Adrian Nugent (Rock)

How long has McCaughey been Sectretary?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on December 10, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
My Irish is not great. Could somebody translate please?

Cathaoirleach – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish) Chairperson
Leas Cathaoirleach – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor) Vice Chairperson
Rúnaí – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick) Secretary
Leas Rúnaí – Donal Magee – (Killyclogher) Assistant Secretary
Cisteoir – Raymond McKeown – (Moy) Treasurer  
Leas Cisteoir – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart) Assistant Treasurer
Ard-Chomhairle – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
 Comhairle Uladh – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh) Ulster Council
Oifigeach Chairdreamh Poibli – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly) Public Relations Officer
Oifigeach Cultúr – Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor) Cultural Officer
Oifigeach Forbartha – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
 Oifigeach Oiliúna & Forbartha – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe) Coaching Officer
Oifigeach Iomána – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Oifigeach Leanaí – Adrian Nugent (Rock) Child Protection

Thats most of the positions.  Liam Neilis is the representation at Croke Park.  Hope that helps
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GJL on December 10, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
ChairMAN – Roisin Jordan – (Eglish)
 Vice Chairman – Michael Kerr – (Eire Og An Charraig Mhor)
Secretary – Dominic McCaughey – (Trillick)
 Vice Secetary– Donal Magee – (Killyclogher)
Treasurer – Raymond McKeown – (Moy)
 Vice Treasurer – Eileen Connolly – (Newtownstewart)
 Executive – Liam Nelis – (Edendork)
 Ulster Council Rep – Ciaran McLaughlin (Strabane) & Adrian O’Kane (Drumragh)
 PRO – Eunan Lindsay (Glenelly)
 Cultural Officer– Cliodhna Kerr (An Charraig Mhor)
 Development Officer – Sarahjane Kelly (Owen Roes)
Training & Development – Brendan Hurl (Ardboe)
Hurling Officer – Brendan Harkin (Killyclogher)
Childrens Officer– Adrian Nugent (Rock)

How long has McCaughey been Sectretary?

Is that not a full time job as opposed to something that's elected?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on December 10, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
County Secretary is a full time, paid position. I'm sure it would be an appealing job should a vacancy ever arise.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on December 10, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
need a few strings to your bow to get the secretarys job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on December 10, 2014, 11:32:17 PM
need a few strings to your bow to get the secretarys job.

  And a thick skin to survive in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on December 11, 2014, 01:12:47 PM
Just wondering how long he has been in the job?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Golden Years on December 22, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
Have it on good authority that Conor Gormley is retiring from county football.  A great servant to the Tyrone cause, leaving a big void to be filled within the current set-up.  On a positive note, great news for Carrickmore as he will now put all his efforts in restoring us to the top of the pile again. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 24, 2014, 02:55:52 PM
I see the panel is out for the McKenna Cup. Some new faces though thought there would have been more. Will be looking forward to see how McNulty, Quinn and McShane get on. Also how some of the boys called in in recent years push on. Looks like a strong enough squad as usual for the McKenna cup. Any word on why Grugan pulled out? Must be a fair few involved with the universities.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on December 29, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on December 29, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
not a make or break year for tyrone but a make or break year for harte. mcguiness is gone can he get past donegal if not time to go end of.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 29, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!

McGinley working in England as far as I'm aware. No word why Grugan has walked away. Thought it was a big year for this year in terms of development - felt if he was ever going to that now was the time to make the break through. Has appeared to me to lack a we bit of hunger when I've saw him play which I felt was holding him back but he has plenty of talent and still relatively young.

Good game this Sunday to get the season up and running.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: reddgnhand on December 31, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
What's the story with Conan Grugan & Ciaran McGinley for 2015 season. Reportedly both have pulled out for personal reasons making them unavailable - can anyone shed any light on this please. Both lads will be missed in an very important year ahead - it is a big make or break year for Tyrone !!!

McGinley working in England as far as I'm aware. No word why Grugan has walked away. Thought it was a big year for this year in terms of development - felt if he was ever going to that now was the time to make the break through. Has appeared to me to lack a we bit of hunger when I've saw him play which I felt was holding him back but he has plenty of talent and still relatively young.

Grugan no big loss in my opinion.

Good game this Sunday to get the season up and running.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on December 31, 2014, 10:57:47 PM
not a make or break year for tyrone but a make or break year for harte. mcguiness is gone can he get past donegal if not time to go end of.
let's take it game by game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 02:44:18 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 02, 2015, 04:15:20 PM
See Peter Canavan has got himself involved with the Under 21 set up.  Is he positioning himself for the senior post next year when Micky's term comes to an end?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on January 02, 2015, 05:53:36 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?

I think they normally do name the team in advance for McKenna Cup - maybe just with new years they havent done so for this match. Are you waiting patiently to hear if Cathal McShane will be starting?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneboi on January 02, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc

2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin

3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin

4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór

5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair

6 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais

7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin

8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh

9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn

10 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo

11 – Kyle Coney – Ard Bó

12 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach

13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc

14 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh (c)

15 – Shea McGuigan – Ard Bó
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on January 02, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
Mc Carron starts on Sunday. I have a few reservations about this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2015, 07:15:39 PM
Think the future for Sean is FF. Won his POY from there in 08 and with his pace dropping a little he would extend his playing time by another few years.

Would have preferred a more experimental panel / line up. Beating Armagh at this stage of the year is neither here nor there. Nice if it happens, no biggie if not. Finding new players us far more important.

Is Dan mcNulty injured?


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: EastTyrone on January 02, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.

I have been told that has taken the year out to improve his own conditioning and bulk up.
Although im sure he could of done this while on the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 02, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
Think the future for Sean is FF. Won his POY from there in 08 and with his pace dropping a little he would extend his playing time by another few years.

Would have preferred a more experimental panel / line up. Beating Armagh at this stage of the year is neither here nor there. Nice if it happens, no biggie if not. Finding new players us far more important.

Is Dan mcNulty injured?

It might not be overly experimental in terms of new players but the majority of the team are not yet established successful county players. A lot of new players have been brought in during recent years and now is the time for them to step up. The likes of mcnamme got his place last year but still needs games at the level to continue to improve.

I'm also glad to see cavanagh up to full forward. We have really lacked ball winners in the forward line in recent years and cavanagh and mattie d are 2 players who could improve this from last year. Looking forward to seeing how mcnulty goes in midfield. Tyrone really need options there.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 02, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
Hopefully Padraig McNulty gets a run of games and gets a chance to get to grips with county football. It's a big step up for him but he has all the required attributes to be a big success. My fear is he'll have one mediocre game and never been seen again.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 02, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
Still no word on why Grugan pulled out? This could have been a huge year for him.

I have been told that has taken the year out to improve his own conditioning and bulk up.
Although im sure he could of done this while on the panel.
He could bulk up on the panel but wouldn't be guaranteed as much game time as he will get with Omagh so that could be a factor if his focus is on development.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 02, 2015, 10:53:07 PM
Do they announce the line ups for the McKenna Cup in advance or is it on the day?

I think they normally do name the team in advance for McKenna Cup - maybe just with new years they havent done so for this match. Are you waiting patiently to hear if Cathal McShane will be starting?

Something like that alright Tyroneboi.

I've something else on on Sunday but would rejig if he was starting. Don't want to change a pile of plans if he only gets 5 or 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: superstar_ on January 03, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
Tyrone (McKenna Cup v Armagh)
1. Niall Morgan (Edendork);
2. Aidan McCrory (Errigal Ciaran),
3. Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran),
4. Cathal McCarron (Dromore);
5. Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher),
6. Ryan McKenna (Eglish),
7. Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran);
8. Colm Cavanagh (Moy),
9. Padraig McNulty (Dungannon);
10. PJ Lavery (Clonoe),
11. Kyle Coney (Ardboe),
12. Peter Hughes (Eskra);
13. Darren McCurry (Edendork),
14. Sean Cavanagh (Moy),
15. Shea McGuigan (Ardboe).

Subs: Michael O’Neill (Clonoe), Rory Brennan (Trillick), Mark Donnelly (Carrickmore), Plunkett, Kane (Coalisland), Connor McAliskey (Clonoe), Emmett McKenna (Eglish), Niall McKenna (Donaghmore), Cathal McShane (Owen Roes), Dwayne Quinn (Clonoe), Patrick Quinn (Dungannon).

Sean Cavanagh at 14 is the big thing to take from the team, sign for the rest of the year maybe?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on January 03, 2015, 08:50:00 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

 The point is to try and win the goddam game!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2015, 10:31:26 PM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

 The point is to try and win the goddam game!!!!!


It done Tyrone a lot of good stuffing Armagh last year in McKenna cup then get humiliated when it really mattered in the championship. Surely this competition should be treated as a way of finding out if new players are suited to Inter County football, and if they win that's a bonus, but it shouldn't be about winning it for the sake of it. I'd like to see a settled team for league as playing Division 1 football much more important than winning a McKenna Cup!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on January 04, 2015, 01:02:27 AM
Would like to have seen more of the new faces get as much game time as possible during the McKenna Cup as well as others who need to establish themselves. What is the point in playing the Cavanagh's, Harte etc when we already know what they can do?

It's all about balance, you can't just launch a team of young fellas in and expect them to hit the ground running. You need to surround them with established County footballers who will help them settle and hopefully bring out their best talents. Sending out a team of new faces, especially against the likes of Armagh, will benefit no one.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 04, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
If Tyrone weren't going out to try and win these games I'd rather we pulled out of the competition. Harte is using a similar policy as he did when Tyrone were successful and people didn't have a problem then. Armagh have a strong team out and are the toughest opponents in the group so Tyrone need a decent lineup.

At the end of the day whoever wins today will have no impact on a meeting later in the year. But in my opinion it's nice to go out and win these games and try to win the competition. That's what sport is about, especially when your playing Armagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Any of ye at the match want to give us a run down on who played well and who didn't
How did Padraig McNulty do at MF?

Was it the usual slow build up or any long balls kicked into Sean. I hope Sean stays at FF for the season cos whilst he is great at running with the ball he is creates havoc in there and knows how to win a free. McCurry and any other CF will benefit with a ball winner at FF I think

How did the defence fair?
What age is young McShane and what's his best position? what's he good at?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 06, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Norf will give you a better answer but from what I saw of McShane it's all positive. Very quick and mobile and makes very intelligent runs. Not a small guy either so can win his own ball (Prob does need to bulk up a bit but he's still young). Seemed to be very good at coming out and winning balls, turning and going towards goal. Shooting was strong as well. Definitely the best talent I saw all year in D3. And I would hope he'll get better.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on January 06, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Any of ye at the match want to give us a run down on who played well and who didn't
How did Padraig McNulty do at MF?

Was it the usual slow build up or any long balls kicked into Sean. I hope Sean stays at FF for the season cos whilst he is great at running with the ball he is creates havoc in there and knows how to win a free. McCurry and any other CF will benefit with a ball winner at FF I think

How did the defence fair?
What age is young McShane and what's his best position? what's he good at?


I wasnt at the game but from what I was told McNulty was didnt make much of an impact. The red card for C.Cavanagh left him tussling round the middle on his own, it wasnt a true reflection - another game would give a better indication.

I also hear McCurry was played in a more withdrawn role - can anyone shed any light on this? I thought he would be the ideal man playing alongside a ball winner like S.Cavanagh!?

I hear McShane came on and held his own which is positive news. Just goes to show there is quality players outside the top tier, and some who may never have gotten the chance yet!?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 06, 2015, 04:28:10 PM
Mc Nulty did well for his debut.  Whilst he didn't catch much clean ball he did make sure and get a good fist on any 50/50 ball.  He had a goal opportunity which was well saved by the Armagh Keeper.

As for McShane, he played approx. 7 mins.  He put himself about, possibly could of picked up a black card with a blatant foul to stop a prominent Armagh attack but escaped with a yellow (probably because the Armagh man didn't go to ground).  Took a good score.  I'd expect him to play against St Mary's give him a chance to shine. 

Both men I feel would be reasonably happy for the time they had on the pitch
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on January 18, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
Dwayne Quinn Padraig Mc Nulty and Cathal Mc Shane have all featured in the 3 games played to date. Any of these players going to feature come championship time considering their performances so far?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 18, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
Decent start by the new boys so far. Thought Quinn was tackling hard before going off at half time so assume he was injured. Mcnulty seems to be improving with games. Wouldn't be surprised if either of them got time come championship but it's early days yet. Pj lavery came on and looks very keen to get involved which i like in him. Small but definitely a classy player.

Sounds like Harte will go for a strong team on Wednesday, might not be far away from his league team. It'll need to be strong as I'd expect a fairly high tempo physical game on Wednesday for McKenna cup. Definitely one to look forward too more than the average McKenna cup game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
Anybody hear any reports from the Tyrone camp about 4 high profile players being dropped from the NFL panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WeeDonns on January 27, 2015, 11:36:09 AM
Anybody hear any reports from the Tyrone camp about 4 high profile players being dropped from the NFL panel?
Contribute to the discussion and tell us what you've heard, otherwise your input is pointless
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
I have heard, 3rd party, that 4 players have been dropped. Obviously I don't want to name names just yet in case it is not true.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 27, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
I have heard, 3rd party, that 4 players have been dropped. Obviously I don't want to name names just yet in case it is not true.

Maco, come on now... a lot of stuff on this board is rumour so don't use that as an excuse. If you have heard names then let us know, it is not like MH is gonna come and get you if you are wrong...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: maco on January 27, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin

There ye have it. That's the names I have heard. I'm away into hiding....just in case MH comes calling!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 27, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
Heard the same but don't know if it's true. Has a Chinese whispers feel to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on January 27, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: smort on January 27, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
I would lay low for a while Skeog, the grammar police are coming for you.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: oakleaflad on January 27, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin
Plunkett Kane

All gone from Tyrone squad for National League.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 27, 2015, 03:20:07 PM
Joe Mc Mahon
Mark Donnelly
Kyle Coney
Dermot Carlin
Plunkett Kane

All gone from Tyrone squad for National League.

What would we do without the Derry lads to bring us the news?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on January 27, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
Think Joe is doing a PGCE atm which could be taking up a lot of his time currently, added to his age it is perhaps not surprising. Dermy has struggled with injuries so I guess thats the reasoning behind his omission. Both these men I would have on the panel for their experience and attitude. Donnelly and Kane I think fall into the category of good players but aren't going to start and they're probably not going to kick on further so maybe its better to have younger guys on the fringe of the squad who are hungrier to develop and push on at this point in their careers. The biggest one here is Coney, but he just has dissapointed time and again. Maybe the year out will be good for him and give him a push to kick on as it seems to have improved Niall McKenna as a player. Some of the lads who were excellent underage players maybe need to feel the shock that its not a given that they're going to be in the Senior set up and if you're not playing well you're not going to be carried.

My team for NFL opener would be.(Think Harte and Tierney may both be out - Concussion and Ankle but not 100% on that.)  1)Morgan 2)McCrory 3)McNamee 4)McCarron 5)McNabb 6)Donnelly 7)TMcCann 8)C.Cav 9)McNulty 10)PJLavery 11)McCurry 12)McShane 13)McAliskey 14)SeanCav 15) McKenna/RON (McKenna deserves it on last week but RON is a special talent but don't know where to play him that he will do damage at intercounty).

Think an Ulster title would be a great achievement this year. Think we're quite a bit away from AI contention, but I'd love to be surprised over the summer.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bonkers09 on January 27, 2015, 05:39:34 PM
Difficult to predict the team for this weekend. Did Harte come off with a concussion on Saturday? Probably rules him out of this weekend.  I'd go for
1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. Donnelly
7. McCann
8. Cavanagh (Colm)
9. McNulty
10. Lavery
11. O'Neill
12. Hughes
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh (S.)
15. McKenna (N.)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on January 27, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
Think Joe is doing a PGCE atm which could be taking up a lot of his time currently, added to his age it is perhaps not surprising. Dermy has struggled with injuries so I guess thats the reasoning behind his omission. Both these men I would have on the panel for their experience and attitude. Donnelly and Kane I think fall into the category of good players but aren't going to start and they're probably not going to kick on further so maybe its better to have younger guys on the fringe of the squad who are hungrier to develop and push on at this point in their careers. The biggest one here is Coney, but he just has dissapointed time and again. Maybe the year out will be good for him and give him a push to kick on as it seems to have improved Niall McKenna as a player. Some of the lads who were excellent underage players maybe need to feel the shock that its not a given that they're going to be in the Senior set up and if you're not playing well you're not going to be carried.

My team for NFL opener would be.(Think Harte and Tierney may both be out - Concussion and Ankle but not 100% on that.)  1)Morgan 2)McCrory 3)McNamee 4)McCarron 5)McNabb 6)Donnelly 7)TMcCann 8)C.Cav 9)McNulty 10)PJLavery 11)McCurry 12)McShane 13)McAliskey 14)SeanCav 15) McKenna/RON (McKenna deserves it on last week but RON is a special talent but don't know where to play him that he will do damage at intercounty).

Think an Ulster title would be a great achievement this year. Think we're quite a bit away from AI contention, but I'd love to be surprised over the summer.


I have yet to see RON be this special, very good club player but at county v average. For someone his size to compete in intercounty he needs to be either blisteringly quick and powerful like penrose, Darran o'sullivan, McBearty etc. and he just doesn't look to have either and to top it off seems to be bit of a mouth-piece from what I seen on that club run, McCurry is the the county premier forward at the minute, so hopefully stays fit for the season for the team to have any sort of run
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 27, 2015, 11:18:59 PM
Difficult to predict the team for this weekend. Did Harte come off with a concussion on Saturday? Probably rules him out of this weekend.  I'd go for
1. Morgan
2. McCrory
3. McNamee
4. McCarron
5. McNabb
6. Donnelly
7. McCann
8. Cavanagh (Colm)
9. McNulty
10. Lavery
11. O'Neill
12. Hughes
13. McCurry
14. Cavanagh (S.)
15. McKenna (N.)

Hopefully Harte will be fit and if so will get a starting spot somewhere. Justy has played very well in the McKenna cup and worth a place. All the players in the half forward line are good footballers but would like to see a bit more presence there. Ronan oneill to me looks like a corner forward or nothing. Hasn't the running ability for 11.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on January 28, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tyroneman on January 28, 2015, 07:50:17 PM
Cutting Coney is a very poor decision imho. He was playing well with a run of games in the league a few years ago and scored 8 from play in Cork last year lets not forget. Previous poster is spot on. These players need a solid run knowing they won't get hooked and benched for the slightest mistake.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 28, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
I'm a bit disappointed about Coney getting the boot too. I just never felt he was given the run of games whereby a full picture of his ability at senior level could be assessed. His performance in Cork whet the appetite and was an insight into what he was capable of and I think we all were hoping he'd kick on from that. I suppose Mickey sees him every night in training and is making judgements based on more than just the 60 mins we see at the weekend. However, I'd be a bit worried that a few of the younger lads may meet the same fate. McNulty could be a great asset on the team but learning the ropes at midfield at inter county isn't easy and he will have a few below par games as he progresses. I hope Mickey can stick with him because he has the physique, power and ability to be a real asset in a position we have struggled in for a few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 28, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Has it been confirmed Coney was dropped or did he leave of his own accord? Tyrone supporters never appear too tolerant of bad performances from the team in any competition so I'm surprised so many are keen to play players no matter how they play.

Coney has had plenty of opportunities over the years when he's fit. Don't forget he missed a lot of time through injuries. I don't think his issues relate to a lack of game time. He looks great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences and a bit more physcial. It's hard to know whether that will improve going forward or not.

Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on January 28, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on January 29, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
A chance to plaay 15-16 games consistently with perhaps less expectation could be the making of him. He always struck me as a confidence player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on January 29, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...

Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that.  There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2015, 09:14:23 AM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on January 29, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

He's quite a similar player to suckie bell in Derry. Very good in their comfort zone of club football but haven't proved they have the mental strength to make the step up to county football. They both have a chance yet to make it but i have my doubts on both.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: supersarsfields on January 29, 2015, 11:01:10 AM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

Heard from a Fermanagh man (And fellow poster on here) that Kyle left the grounds before the end of the game against Cavan so that may signal a bit of a rift. Not sure if this is the case or not but to me would explain things a bit as I don't believe Kyle would have been dropped from the panel otherwise.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on January 29, 2015, 04:32:03 PM
he is not in photo at the end so he must have left the ground
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on January 29, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Some of these players need to start taking responsibility for their own performances. A a  lot of them are now at an age where its time to deliver. Look at Mattie Donnelly and McCurry - they have taken chances and proved something and earned their place. Every player has to earn it and can't be played because people think they have potential.

Agreed, also he's not banished from IC football either. Look at McKenna, thrust into IC too early, didn't preform and was tactfully let go on good terms and welcomed back into the fold when he got up to pace again. I'd rather Coney goes out with Ardboe for a while, clears the injuries, defines his role on the pitch and comes back. For all we know he could be well relieved of being rid the commitment of IC football for a while. I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun hanging around the edges of an high profile but unsuccessful panel for a few years considering how draining it must be on your time. When you look at the time and physical commitment Mattie and McCurry put into becoming first team players it's no wonder not every man is lining up to do it. It's not just enough to be talented anymore, you have to be a professional athlete without getting paid, that's the level Mayo and particularly Dublin have taken it too.

Much as I like Niall McKenna and was impressed by him on Saturday night, I think its still a bit early to be lauding, as a success, his comeback to the county scene after one good performance in the McKenna Cup. Is this the blue print for the future? Do other counties use this strategy with their best young players? Playing in the stop, start nature of club football in Tyrone will not necessarily help improve Kyle Coney's game. As Redhand Santa suggested, Kyle can "look great when given a bit of space but has always struggled in games with tighter defences". How is he going to improve in this regard playing club football? Personally, I think he is worth persevering with but, it looks like Mickey doesn't. Assuming it was Mickey's decision to drop him from the panel, then that's his prerogative as he sees much more of him than me, so that's fair enough I suppose.

He's quite a similar player to suckie bell in Derry. Very good in their comfort zone of club football but haven't proved they have the mental strength to make the step up to county football. They both have a chance yet to make it but i have my doubts on both.
Time will tell, but I think its time we were all a bit praiseworthy of the management this year.  Some of the younger players and those who were playing beneath themselves to date have made strides so Im happy.  Lets not doubt progress but encourage it ye miserable hoors.  Long way to go and of course Coney leaving is disappointing.  Am I wrong or have Carmen no representation this year now? Coalisland?  Errigal just 2. The face of Tyrone football is changing...   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on January 29, 2015, 08:38:15 PM
Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that. There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.

Who? Without any examples thats just a load of whataboutery. Are you saying McAliskey/RON/McKenna are only there because they're Mickey's favourites? Who are these forwards who are starting irrelevant of preformance?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 29, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
Dermy Carlin looks a cert to go.  Joe needs a bit of extra training to get in shape, wouldn't discount him just yet.  Maybe its the kick up the ass Kyle Coney needs to give him a year out.  As for Mark Donnelly I think theres worse.

Kyle Coney's senior career has been so stop and start that I think a year out would be the end rather than a kick up the ass. Have to say I am disappointed that he has been cut from the panel, such a talented minor and has on occasion shown glimpses at senior level. I would have loved to have seem him get a proper run of games in the forward line to see what he could do. Fair enough if he failed to kick on then let him go. Injuries have been an issue but I think the lack of that series of starts has also hindered him.

Raymie Mulgrew had a similar experience and we are now in danger of failing to find a place in the senior team for the outstanding individual talent of the 2008 minor team just as we did with Mulgrew from the 2004 team. I'm not suggesting at all that management is entirely to blame and of course great minors don't always become great seniors but Tyrone can ill afford to miss out on talents like these.

I would like to think Joe will be back before the season is out. Not too bothered about the others, good players and in the case of Carlin and Donnelly very good servants but I think we're better off giving the chance to younger players.

Very good point - I feel sorry for Coney and a few others who never seem to get a run of games that are afforded to other players. The likes of Coney, McAliskey, Niall McKenna, Rony O'Neill should be told you have 3 or 4 games whereby you will start, not be taken off unless injured and let us see what you can do - after that then we can make a fair judgement. It is difficult enough to hold a place on the Tyrone team without the fear that you will be first man off or you are looking towards MH all game to see if anyone is coming on...

Give these lads a fair crack at the whip and then they can have no complaints...

Exactly.  When players who aren't big favourites of the manager get the odd start they are looking over their shoulder for every minute they are on the pitch, and to remain on the pitch or get a start the next day they have to come up with a spectacular performance when in reality the odds on that performance happening are greatly reduced due to their lack of a consistent run and the obvious confidence that would be built with that.  There are some players in the panel who seem to get start after start irrelevant of performance, pretty unfair that others don't get the same chance.  Coney has struggled against tight defences and doesn't seem to have much ball running ability/pace, but in saying that there aren't any inter county forwards who thrive against the modern day tight defence.

But if you weren't sure of your place in the team surely instead of looking of your shoulder you should be bursting a gut to try and prove yourself? Coney is not a new player and has played dozens of times for Tyrone. He has not proved himself consistently to earn the right to stay on when playing bad. It was his third appearance of the McKenna Cup and he hadn't played great in any of the games and struggled to win ball going his way. I'd doubt very much if he'd have imrpoved any in the 2nd half and maybe Harte was trying to give him a kick up the bum by taking him off. He had lost 2 or 3 balls during the first half that he should have won.

I do think Coney had a future on the panel and was a good squad player. He's still relatively young and wouldn't be surprised if he was back on the panel within the next few months. Maybe 3 or 4 months away is what he needs right now. But I don't think Harte can be blamed for him not fully making it or him walking away over not getting on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on January 29, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
Disappointed with Coney's senior inter-county progression but that happens. He'll be a great player for Ardboe for a decade.

What about Harry og?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 29, 2015, 09:40:54 PM
coney to me is the sort of player who has 100% talent and only 50% commitment. harte  would rather have 100% commitment and 50% talent.so would I. players like coney are plentiful in tyrone. u have to be fit to hold on to the ball first time, or, call it what u want.it will make or break him. hopefully he will come back a lot better. the ball is in court now. it would be grt to see him bulk up, get the injuries cleared and mayb b invite back ltr in the yr or next year. I would say hes a lot more talented than Raymond mulgrew was but he has to work his bollix of from here on in.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2015, 10:37:21 PM
hard to pinpoint what the hell happened in that 2nd half.completly wiped out around the middle section.1 player that is needed back is aidan cassisdy.thought pj and hughes were goin well but we just weren't getting any breaks.matty is the leader in that team and when he walked that was it.tierney had it tough out there tonite.monanghan were well set up and disciplined in the tackle.i said here before that poacher was the best coach in ulster, and when micky didn't go lookin about him says it all  really.theres more in that tyrone team and they will be hurting no doubt.canavan will be shrewder about it next yr.mayo and Dublin up next,two tough games.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on January 31, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on February 01, 2015, 12:32:23 AM
I have to say when I started watching tyrone as a youngster they weren't much good but then I got to witness a great team in the noughties and I am glad I got to watch such a great team.... BUT I have to say the current tyrone team is absolute SHITE!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on February 01, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
Not enough leaders when the chips are down.As I watched last night's game I couldn't help but recall Owen Mulligan's comment that towards the end of his Tyrone career he thought too many of the new boys were just happy to get their Tyrone tracksuit and say they were a county player.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on February 01, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 01, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
Awful awful stuff tonight. Played some decent stuff in first 15 or 20 minutes but after that they couldn't have played in any worse. I have no problem with us getting beat by a better team when we at least make a go if it. This tyrone team just seems to have too many players that don't have the balls for the battle. It's been the same at u21 level with good minors not stepping up at all. Harte would be an easy target but the players have to take a large portion of the blame too.

If this was a one off performance and you thought Harte wasn't bothered with little emphasis on the league it would be ok but it's happened to many times in recent games and we do care about the league. Kerry last year, Armagh last year etc, to many shocking performances with boys disappearing once it's put up to them.

I thought we were going to put last years poor performances and after the hurt from it that lot of the younger boys would look hard at themselves and push on this year. Was no encouraging signs. McKenna cup looks like another false dawn with the team quitting once intensity levels raised.

I really hope this is the last time we perform like that last year but very worried it's not. We couldn't win a ball in the middle and win no breaks. We seem to work on smart kickouts with no emphasis on the basics of winning hard dirty ball around the middle.
one game into the league and we are ripping into harte and players already. Let's give it a few games folks.

Is it one game though?

To me it's 4 of 5 seasons plus 1 game.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 03, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Personally, i agree aswell in that this has been going on for a few years atleast 2 or 3, and that a change in management is needed at the end of this season.

Also have to agree with an earlier comment regarding how good of a coach Ryan Porter is, and from a few elder dromore men i know they couldnt speak any higher of the man. Harte was stupid not to approach porter and make him part of his team years ago considering the knowledge he has of tyrone football along with his great coaching skills.

Could anyone see malachy o'rouke and ryan porter being tyrone manager and trainer in next few years? even enxt year?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on February 03, 2015, 12:45:28 PM
Personally, i agree aswell in that this has been going on for a few years atleast 2 or 3, and that a change in management is needed at the end of this season.

Also have to agree with an earlier comment regarding how good of a coach Ryan Porter is, and from a few elder dromore men i know they couldnt speak any higher of the man. Harte was stupid not to approach porter and make him part of his team years ago considering the knowledge he has of tyrone football along with his great coaching skills.

Could anyone see malachy o'rouke and ryan porter being tyrone manager and trainer in next few years? even enxt year?

Yes. 100%.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 03, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: In hiding on February 03, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?

 ;D ;D ;D no, he's from omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on February 03, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Harte is going to be there to the end of the season so no point talking about his position at this stage. Personally I'd rather get behind the team and worry about that later in the year. It's very easy to blame Harte for our poor form over last few years but there is a chance that we maybe just haven't been good enough. The new boys don't seem to have the desire and hunger you'd expect and that was also the case at u21 level. All the best players in tyrone are involved so that isn't the issue.

The thing that annoys me is that if tyrone had own well on Saturday night the boys calling for hartes head would be saying its only the league and too much emphasis is being placed on it. For all we know tyrone have changed there training approach with the aim of peaking in the summer and are currently in very heavy training. My guess is that wasn't the issue but at the end of day it'll be the championship the team is judged on.

I have hated in recent years though the way the team have folded in certain games and took bad beatings. That was never a character of tyrone teams in the past. Hopefully it won't happen again this year. No one minds defeats but the nature of Saturday was what was so annoying.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: shezam on February 03, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
Well summed up http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/77315/2/Tyrone_in_the_dark
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2015, 11:15:07 PM
Well summed up http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/77315/2/Tyrone_in_the_dark

Hard to disagree but this line from O'Rourke and now Canavan that Monaghan went man to man after 20 mins is false. Monaghan had 3 men around any Tyrone attacker in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on February 04, 2015, 11:45:59 AM
From Saturday nights game it is looking more and more as though Tyrone are certainly going to have a few difficult years ahead.  I feel Mickey has a very tough job ahead of him and I certainly do not feel it is his 'fault'.  Tyrone just don't have those physical players at their disposal nor those work horses that are prepared to go that extra few miles. 

We lack seriously in some areas and non more so than the middle third.  We don't have primary ball winners and in the past this was compensated with players who had the unbelievable skill, nohow, hunger and determination to win secondary possession in terms of break ball, tackling, harassing, blocking runs etc.  As Canavan commented, players with the hunger of P Jordan, B McGuigan, D Harte, B Dooher, E McGinley, K Hughes, C Holmes, C Gormley. M Penrose etc are just not evident anymore. 

A telling sign on Saturday night was when I watched Niall Morgan go on 3 or 4 attacking drives out of his defence and he actually passed at least 7-8 of his own Tyrone players and when he did look up he found himself in 'no mans land' with no one supporting him.  This surely shows the lack of drive, work rate and ambition in this existing squad of players.  Tyrone could struggle to gain any more than maybe 4 points in the league,  they will struggle with Donegal in Ballybofey in championship and quite possibly find it difficult in the qualifiers.  Though lets hope not.

A quarter final place in the championship is now not a given anymore,  but a bonus.  Tyrone to stay in division 1 in 2015 will be a major boost for building toward the future.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on February 04, 2015, 12:21:23 PM
After an encouraging McKenna Cup campaign Saturday was an exterme blow to expectations for the year.  Maybe it will do no harm to rein in expectations (see 2008).  Tyrone get the warning early in the year that there is a lot more work needed and I dont think anyone can dispute that after naming a strong side was taken apart by a weakened Monaghan side missing many potential championship starters with their key man making a cameo appearance.  I would say Tyrone started 11 or 12 of the 15 that will play against Donegal. (Maybe im wrong)

Hopefully against Mayo we will see an improved performance.  Tyrone will have seen how good Mayo are watching their game vs Kerry.  Mayo cant really take much from Tyrone's performance other than it was poor and they will expect better. 

Support the team, Get down to Castlebar.  Tyrone also lost the supporter match with Monaghan supporters more vocal making their persence known in Omagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 04, 2015, 05:35:29 PM

Is Porter originally from Dromore?

no doubt about it id say your a typical omagh man.go to the county games but club football not a clue.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on February 04, 2015, 10:32:12 PM

Is Porter originally from Dromore?

no doubt about it id say your a typical omagh man.go to the county games but club football not a clue.
Porter is from Omagh
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on February 06, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Is Porter originally from Dromore?

Typical omagh person not knowing where people come from, even when its there own area or are you going to tell me the gallagher brothers are from omagh aswell?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: omagh_gael on February 06, 2015, 06:47:38 PM
Club Nazis coming out of the woodwork. Having a young family and no longer living in the town reduces my awareness of these crucial details. I played with Omagh up to minor and have had no involvement in the club for years so it's handier to keep in with the county.

Youhavenofans, where are you from? Does your inability to spell and use the correct grammar represent everyone in your locality?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on February 09, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Good to see a vast improvement from the Tyrone team yesterday.  Their tackling, harassing, defending in numbers, support play and work rate was the difference.  Hopefully they can continue to improve.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on February 09, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
Welll done lads. Great hunger, hunting in packs, disciplined tackling, that game had it all. I want to see the same against derry. Made the right call dropping ronie. Way to lazy to play that sort of game. Mcnammee stood up well. Justy was immense. Wat about McCurry eh. I mind watching an u21 final in Enniskillen one time and saying to myself that hed be a better prospect than  ronan oneill. Midfield still a huge worry. The only time u really felt confident about a kick out was when matty was targeted. Morgan obviously has peter ward as a role model. Knew wat he was at with  o shea that time to. Def only a yellow even at that. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 23, 2015, 02:59:07 AM
For any of you that will be down in Dublin on the night before the Croke Park game (Friday March 6th, with the game on Saturday March 7th, @ 7pm), we're having a bit of a (totally free) hooley in the Lansdowne Hotel (http://lansdownehotel.ie), where Brendan 'Bacon' Gallagher from Strabane will be regaling us all, with very able assistance on stage from a Tipperary crew too, with proceedings kicking off about 9pm. :) The Lansdowne have very generously reduced the price of their pints to €4 on the night too, so no excuses! ;)

www.tad.ie
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on February 26, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
Sounds good Fear
I might go myself
Will there be many birds at it?

I look forward to the Dublin v Tyrone game in Croker every few years.
I think we owe them wan.
I must buy some more paint for the hordes coming down.
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Hard to believe its 20 years since that ill fated AI final when Charlie Redmond got his red card appealed at record speed
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on February 26, 2015, 10:06:35 PM
Trouble in the Rock camp after Croke Park suspended managers Niall and Paul Conway after abuse of official at Ballinasloe replay. Seems some club members not happy with the Derry lads at all... watch this space.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 02, 2015, 02:24:13 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.

Its Harte that should be told to get lost.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 02:29:38 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.

Its Harte that should be told to get lost.

players say he lit on her on saturday nite. some boy alright. must be time for him to take the walk.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 02, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 04:25:16 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   

County board suffering financially at the hands of harte. The man who speaks to everyone else except players and rte. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 02, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 02, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads.

Why? To protect the dictator?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 02, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
Can we keep this inhouse lads.

the dogs in the street know about it rrhf. no doors left on the house.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 02, 2015, 07:06:56 PM
how much longer lads mrs jordan getting it in the neck due to the lack of a contract not the the demands of rte. if the sponsors are gone then his position is untenable.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on March 02, 2015, 10:24:42 PM
Let's sack him and burn him at the stake for being forcefully passionate about an issue that's intertwined with the death of his daughter. Sad ba$tard$ yous are. Sure Micky's a stubborn man but my god can you not put yourself in his shoes on this issue.  Maybe you would not act the same way but I know some would here considering the grudges you hold against county board officials, etc. Mrs Jordans more than fit enough to battle her corner on this, would you say it if it was McLaughlin he said it to? I doubt it. Just because she's a female doesn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 03, 2015, 03:14:03 PM
Let's sack him and burn him at the stake for being forcefully passionate about an issue that's intertwined with the death of his daughter. Sad ba$tard$ yous are. Sure Micky's a stubborn man but my god can you not put yourself in his shoes on this issue.  Maybe you would not act the same way but I know some would here considering the grudges you hold against county board officials, etc. Mrs Jordans more than fit enough to battle her corner on this, would you say it if it was McLaughlin he said it to? I doubt it. Just because she's a female doesn't change a thing.

No one said anything about the chair being a female if memory serves me right this issue has been debated for a few years now and its the main reason why Hunky Dorys left is it not? My issue with the whole debacle is the fact that Mickey Harte has taken a very painful personal issue and made it very public when he has stopped his backroom team and players from even talking to RTE. If I was Harte I would find it hard to deal with RTE myself but that does not give me the right to stop any other members of my team from talking to them.
As for the county sponsors they want their name out there seen at every chance and with RTE showing the biggest games they have a right to ask for a member of the Tyrone team to speak on tv after or before a game do they not?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 03, 2015, 07:58:04 PM
Anyone know what was said exactly?
Would it not have been agreed before hand?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
Anyone know what was said exactly?
Would it not have been agreed before hand?

Of course they don't know what exactly was said Fuzz. But it doesn't stop them from commenting with complete authority.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 03, 2015, 08:17:59 PM
That's true Benny, we don't know for sure exactly what was said. But we do know the said incident did take place. For sure there is now very significant fragmentation between playing squad> to manager > to county board > external sponsors.
We've all heard it from enough sources, even if it is 3rd hand. Things can't & won't continue as they are. Something has to give.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 03, 2015, 09:17:14 PM
longballin methinks your missing the point. there is not one decent tyrone person on this forum or any forum for that matter that doesent in some way appreciate the personal difficulties that MH has faced you would need to be completely heartless to not. but this is a personal matter and is something the hartes need to deal with in their own way more than likely in the courtroom. how that equates to tyrone players not fulfilling media duties is beyond any rational argument. where would you draw the line at that rate every tabloid newspaper should be shunned for carrying the same stories. hunky dory didnt stand for the lack of exposure can you really expect somebody else. i wonder if tyrone were winning all-irelands would the omerta remain. the county board need to make a stand.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 03, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 03, 2015, 10:02:08 PM
Whilst we have Mickey Harte as manager we need to accept the choices being made in relation to RTE. If the players choose not to speak at all / or ever that is their right to do so regardless. 
Yes it is a problem for others.
If Mickey ceases to be the manager that may or may not change for some.  Lets not make this problem bigger than it actually is.  We play the Dubs this weekend, that is a much bigger problem.   
 


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Over the Bar on March 03, 2015, 10:15:59 PM
Bo man, you're boy Coney's performances weren't much to write home about so I doubt he had that many people knocking his door down to stay.   You and longballin are presenting pub-talk rumours as facts now. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on March 04, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.

Backing his stance or afraid to stand up against it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
Well I don't know which it is but looks like the boycott is gonna continue either way.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: clarshack on March 04, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
so what's happening with the sponsorship then?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 04, 2015, 03:29:38 PM
Given Harte's track record of dealing with things and player-manager communication, I'd say it's a case of the fore-mentioned, whereby the current players probably realise if they make any kind of a backlash against his ruling they'll be dropped before they know it without any communication informing them so.

Which should not be the case in any group, players should be able to stand up for what they believe is right, even if that means being axed at the hands of the manager.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 04, 2015, 03:42:33 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.

Bo man no surprise you only appears when theres a chance to put the foot into mickey. We all prob want a change but it wont happen to end of the season at least. You couldn't wait to get the dig into Ciaran McLaughlin either. Just because he didn't bow down to ardboe doesn't make him any less of a man. As for coney (who I think as massive potential and will be grt player for tyrone hopefully) he made the desicision himself to go in and get changed and leave early after that game. When a player does that theres only gona be one outcome.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on March 04, 2015, 04:03:03 PM
if he starts talking to his own players that would be a start. should show some respect for the chairwoman. she's a dam sight better than what went before as we know. he wont say sorry and he wont admit that hes wrong about dragging the players into it. our fella coney would still be about if he talked to him. its all going to end in tears and hes gona drag everyone down with him.

Bo man no surprise you only appears when theres a chance to put the foot into mickey. We all prob want a change but it wont happen to end of the season at least. You couldn't wait to get the dig into Ciaran McLaughlin either. Just because he didn't bow down to ardboe doesn't make him any less of a man. As for coney (who I think as massive potential and will be grt player for tyrone hopefully) he made the desicision himself to go in and get changed and leave early after that game. When a player does that theres only gona be one outcome.

"doesn't make him any less of a man" lmao who's callin his manliness into question? rj is just a better woman for the job.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 04, 2015, 04:50:54 PM
It is sad that this is the way Mickey Harte is going to bow out of his managerial career with Tyrone whether at the end of the year or during it.
I have heard many stories about Mickey from when he was a player, to when he was with Glencull to when he was minor and then senior manager
Of course lots of pieces of the stories you have to wonder how true they are but there always seems to be a common thread of Mickey's way or nothing.
I think what RTE did to Mickey about Michaela was very very low and I don't know did they ever issue an apology or not so I was on Mickey's side when he made a stand with them. Especially how people like Brolly, Spillane and others often portray Tyrone over the last 10 years you can see why we would have issues with RTE here and there. The media however has a huge influence over the people's perceptions and for Tyrone squad not allowing to speak out and put their opinions forward with RTE I think is a huge disadvantage
For Mickey to DICTATE this to his players and now to his chairperson I think is a step too far.
It reminds me too much of the Roy Keane style of FEAR management that do what you want lads but remember I am the boss.

Whatever way Mickey leaves this year it will be with a lot of annoyed and disappointed people in his wake.
The lack of respect he has shown to our new chairperson very much goes against the whole image of what lots of people think he is really like.

All this is just my opinion folks and is not a FACT so don't shoot me for having an opinion. I hope Sat night doesn't see fans shouting at Mickey and giving him a hard time if we lose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 04, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
It is sad that this is the way Mickey Harte is going to bow out of his managerial career with Tyrone whether at the end of the year or during it.
I have heard many stories about Mickey from when he was a player, to when he was with Glencull to when he was minor and then senior manager
Of course lots of pieces of the stories you have to wonder how true they are but there always seems to be a common thread of Mickey's way or nothing.
I think what RTE did to Mickey about Michaela was very very low and I don't know did they ever issue an apology or not so I was on Mickey's side when he made a stand with them. Especially how people like Brolly, Spillane and others often portray Tyrone over the last 10 years you can see why we would have issues with RTE here and there. The media however has a huge influence over the people's perceptions and for Tyrone squad not allowing to speak out and put their opinions forward with RTE I think is a huge disadvantage
For Mickey to DICTATE this to his players and now to his chairperson I think is a step too far.
It reminds me too much of the Roy Keane style of FEAR management that do what you want lads but remember I am the boss.

Whatever way Mickey leaves this year it will be with a lot of annoyed and disappointed people in his wake.
The lack of respect he has shown to our new chairperson very much goes against the whole image of what lots of people think he is really like.

All this is just my opinion folks and is not a FACT so don't shoot me for having an opinion. I hope Sat night doesn't see fans shouting at Mickey and giving him a hard time if we lose.

Great post i agree 100%.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 04, 2015, 05:41:21 PM
From what I've heard recently as well the respect his old players used to have for him is rapidly falling away
I heard he had a recent run in with a very high profile ex player which again shows Mickey's head is not in a great place.

I suppose he feels backed into a corner and rather than know when is a good time to go he digs in his heels for a fight.

The other side is of course this from 2013 Indo article
Mickey Harte: Football helped me deal with Michaela tragedy
In a revealing interview with Pat Kenny on Newstalk, the All-Ireland winning manager opened up about the murder of his daughter Michaela McAreavey during her honeymoon in Mauritius in January 2011 and how he has coped with the grief since.

Since taking over as Tyrone boss, a number of tragedies have befallen the squad including the death of Paul McGirr following a minor gam, Cormac McAnallen's death from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome(SADS), the death of two siblings of Kevin Hughes in road accidents and the loss of Michaella.

"In times of trouble and times of strife, it (football) is a focus that you need to have outside of what is in front of you at this particular time," Harte said.

"When the tragedy which visited us comes upon you, and I know many people will be able to identify with this, it is such a dark cloud engulfs your life and there seems to be no way out but I think the hope I can give to people is with time the cloud begins to move.

"It may never go away, but it will move to the side. Therefore it doesn't dominate your thinking, it never goes away but you can manage it, you can be in control of when it has some degree of impact on your life. When you decide that life is still about living and you need to go on living, it is important for everyone else to be still there , to live life as best they can."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mickey-harte-football-helped-me-deal-with-michaela-tragedy-29548229.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/mickey-harte-football-helped-me-deal-with-michaela-tragedy-29548229.html)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 04, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
Puts life into perspective.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Traveller on March 04, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
At the end of the day RTE treated the Harte family disgracefully. It wouldn't have happened to a Dublin or Kerry manager in similar circumstances. Granted he was wrong to insult the Chairperson but why was she in the changing room? I wouldn't be Hartes biggest fan but agree with him on this.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Traveller on March 04, 2015, 11:17:21 PM
She had no business in a changing room, it should have been sorted well in advance of that. Too many agendas in the County on all sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 05, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...

What, opening their 'skit' with 'Pretty Little Girl From Omagh' -- under the circumstances prevailing at the time, they could hardly have been more insulting and insensitive!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
Mickey is well within his rights not to talk to RTE as it's a very personal thing however not to let anyone else talk is holding Tyrone back and from what I hear could cost them a major sponsorship deal.

Now I know some will say - well he's said that the players are allowed to talk if they wish but apparently they don't want to talk to RTE due to "Loyalty" - kind of reminds me of North Korea - can anyone guess who the Kim Jong il is in this situation????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on March 05, 2015, 03:54:14 PM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.

Have to agree with this - it is not loyalty - it is peer pressure in as if you defy MH your county career will go downhill under his management.

Rumour has it that MH phoned an ex player now analysing on RTE occasionally and asked him to refuse to do it and take the MH stance - he told Harte where to go and how dare he try to tell him what to do. At least that is how the story goes anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 05, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on March 05, 2015, 07:34:24 PM
RTE did not do anything regarding Michaela.. they were slagging Mickey for trying to dictate to them which commentator to use ie: Brian Carthy. Was ill thought out at the time and they have apologised but now we are in realms of vindictiveness from Tyrone...

I actually only heard the RTE piece this morning for the first time - was very tongue in cheek and maybe the insensitivity comes more from exceptionally bad timing. But I totally get why MH is offended....its only natural given what he had to go through at the time

Mickey, brian cody, justin mcnulty and a bunch of other managers had sent a 4 page letter to RTE questioning why they had not replaced Micheal O 'M with Brain Carthy - and in fairness to RTE, its nobody else business how they do what they do and they will hardly ever take direction from a bunch of football managers...media in general were also questioning Mickey being a PR outlet for anti-abortion and Sean Quinn, which would not have sat well with the Dublin middle classes...

And now its just a mess that Tyrone have no access to the national broadcaster - how did that ever happen?

Lets not rewite history. It was widely accepted at the time that Micky wrote the letter and got a few managers he was friendly with to put their names to it. He was very friendly with Brian Carty and took offence at his failure to get promotion which Micky said he had been promised. What a journalist on RTE did subsequently was to poke fun at Micky trying to interfere in internal appointments in RTE. The sketch was obviously clumsy and ill timed and noone can blame Micky for being hurt and still taking offence. On the other hand most reasonable people would accept that the journalist wasnt being deliberately malicious and for the whole Tyrone gaa setup to still be boycotting RTE is a bit ridiculous and short sighted.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 05, 2015, 08:27:08 PM
could we not have an actor saying the words
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on March 05, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
could we not have an actor saying the words

Yeah censorship RTE are good at that been known to do it in the past.

On another note. Why is Mickey O Neill peter hughes Emmett mc kenna boys like that still on the county panel. Why cant they get a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on March 05, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
County board after a new sponsor? Men saying that the main sponsor walked this morning. still no one talking to rte. chairwoman was told to get lost by harte when she went lookin for a player to talk on saturday nite.
Rothschild Television Eireann should be boycotted by all Irish people. Its the BBC in a skirt. Taking a side the shameful treatment of Michaela. I remember R.T.E. had the "voice over" Sinn Fein well before the six County media.   

County board suffering financially at the hands of harte. The man who speaks to everyone else except players and rte.




I disagree . With all the success Tyrone had under Micky Harte didn't he start bringing big crowds through the turn styles to see the teams play? If it comes down to Micky Harte vs RTE I'm sticking by my fellow Gael. As regards not speaking to players there has to be some line of communication at least with instructions, tactics team plays etc? Can you give me an example?   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on March 05, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
According to reliable sources, Roisin Jordan and Mickey Harte ended up having an aggressive argument with each other at the County Management meeting on Tuesday. Apparently others had to literally stand between them.

The CB needs to put it's foot down and get rid of MH is he doesn't play ball. They should be in control not him.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 05, 2015, 11:37:47 PM
It's a tough one. Everyone understands Mickey's stance. But just as everyone in RTE didn't sanction that piece, not everyone should shun them.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 05, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
It's a tough one. Everyone understands Mickey's stance. But just as everyone in RTE didn't sanction that piece, not everyone should shun them.
fcuk them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on March 06, 2015, 12:14:42 AM
A quare Tyrone response.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 06, 2015, 08:12:17 AM
Agh sure listen.  Would any of you guys supporters sponsors anyone be in the least bit offended if harte was still winning all Irelands.   I think it is time for a bit.of honesty here?  What changes if Rte interviews are given.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:13:23 AM
According to reliable sources, Roisin Jordan and Mickey Harte ended up having an aggressive argument with each other at the County Management meeting on Tuesday. Apparently others had to literally stand between them.

The CB needs to put it's foot down and get rid of MH is he doesn't play ball. They should be in control not him.

The County board should run the teams?
Should club committees also run the club teams?

If the CB get a Manager to run a team he should be able to run it how he sees fit without interference. They had a ll winter to change Managers.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:14:06 AM
Idea of 'loyalty' kind of goes out the window when you consider players retire and then go on RTE.. indicates was pressure to not speak.

Or unity within the squad!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 06, 2015, 08:32:56 AM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?
Has to be McAleer & Rushe surely?

Now that the time may be closer than we think, who actually would replace Mickey Harte if he resigned? Dooher or Laurence Strain maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NaomhBridAbú on March 06, 2015, 08:44:44 AM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

A fairly significant package from McAleer and Rushe and a serious intent to continue support over the next few years - all agreed in october last year with the caveat that TYRONE COMMUNICATED with ALL media...THAT meant "anyone or someone" speaking to RTE - not Harte - and it was agreed by the county board that all would be ok....also quoted in the irish news about 6 weeks ago as the same
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 06, 2015, 08:50:03 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on March 06, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.

Fair point - i'd say that sean would be hoping for a career in Media when he retires - a spot on Second Captains, sure you know the craic
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
When I heard the news on this and I got it in quite good detail from a good source I was totally shocked and thought that is the straw that broke the back and maybe the whole thing was even expected to happen and Ms Jordan was brought on board with maybe even this in mind that it would come to her having to intervene. Only my own viewpoint

I heard another story about how Harte treated an ex player recently and was totally shocked that that too.
So I expected the board this week to be totally disgusted with Harte and there is no way for him to continue now but alas there are still a few who think this is only about him not talking to RTE. Its goes a lot deeper than that and a lot further back than that.
Mickey has always been used to getting things his own way and even when he makes a mistake he's not the type to say sorry or I was wrong there IMHO.
He has stood on a lot of toes over the years and I think NaomhBridAbú sums it up very well in his bullet points. HUGE lack of respect for other people's opinions.

Fair play to Roisin Jordan for standing up to him and I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that CB meeting this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 06, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Mickey says the players are free to speak to RTE. Sean Cavanagh, as captain & a fella slandered by RTE himself in the Brolly debacle, should throw them a few words on Saturday night & it'll be forgotten about soon after. Sure I could tell ye Seans interview here & now anyway - he's been giving the same clichéd answers since 2001.
Sean is too important a player for MH to drop, and sure anyway Mickey is in his last few months of the job. He will be gone by the end of July.

I have it on authority that Mickey told RJ that Sean Cavanagh won't be speaking because Joe Brolly hurt his feelings on the RTE panel which made me cast my mind back to that incident that day and the interview Sean gave to Colm Parkinson at the side line immediately after the match when Parkinson relayed what Brolly had just said minutes before - he laughed it off and gave it one of the 'Joes one of the guys' BS he usually comes out with.

Something doesn't add up here!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Birdseed on March 06, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 06, 2015, 01:07:48 PM
Welcome on board mickey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 06, 2015, 01:27:35 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????

So you think that sponsors who pay a bucket full of money for exposure should not get exposure on the largest broadcaster in Ireland, and we as a county should continue to allow ourselves to painted negatively, without as much as a player to promote our county on the same broadcaster.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on March 06, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
What has changed with RTE that now merits Mickey Harte or the Tyrone County Board to change their stance. From memory the Tyrone PRO has repeatedly berated RTE for their handling of all coverage of Tyrone County and Club football. What have RTE done in the last 6 months to bring about a change of policy from MH or Tyrone GAA? RTE are bullies and expect everyone to bow down to their demands. What respect does an organisation that peddles nothing but bile about our wonderful game deserve. Do any of you actually listen to what RTE say about Gaelic Football (and 6 county football in particular)? Its nothing but biased, uninformed, sensationalist hyperbole. What they say about amateur players, managers and officials while sitting in their Ivory studios (and getting well paid) is a disgrace. The GAA should take a leaf out of MHs book and stand up to RTE. Money is the real issue here. The speculation about a pissed off sponsor is being used to have another go at MH. That is shameful. Do real Gales really believe that his relationship with RTE should sully the reputation of one of the greatest GAA men Tyrone has ever produced???
RTE over Mickey Harte.....are you for real!!!????

 ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Up the Middle I always enjoy your posts even if its just a smilie
Sometimes I even read the text on the right as well.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 06, 2015, 05:41:25 PM
Never has a post game been so crucial or interesting for a county.

If no one talks after Dublin game is MH position in doubt given that Sponsorship could be withdrawn?

Which sponsor?

EDIT: Just seen this. http://gaeliclife.com/2015/03/tyrones-rte-stand-off-set-to-continue/
Would seem strange that McAleer & Rushe were not aware of Mickeys stance when signing up. Or were they told something else in private?
Given their business I had assumed they were primarily sponsoring the team to support the County rather than for the the advertising.
With sponsors like KerryGold, Arnotts, Supermacs, Rocwell, Hunky Dorys it is about getting the brand recognition. I would have bought a bag of Hunky Dorys and a bottle of Rocwell ahead of a bag of Tayto and a bottle of Tipperary Sping water.
No one watching TSG thinks "I must get them boys to build me a hotel"

A fairly significant package from McAleer and Rushe and a serious intent to continue support over the next few years - all agreed in october last year with the caveat that TYRONE COMMUNICATED with ALL media...THAT meant "anyone or someone" speaking to RTE - not Harte - and it was agreed by the county board that all would be ok....also quoted in the irish news about 6 weeks ago as the same

I think the key here is who agreed and Told M&R there would be communication? If it was Mickey and he is reneging his position should be untenable, if it was someone else making promises they could not back up to get M&R to sign then they should be hung out to dry.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
I would be very surprised if the players don't want to do interviews themselves. We need PR from them otherwise its always siege mentality.
Like it or not the media control the public perceptions.
Kids at my Dublin GAA club think Tyrone are a bunch of cheats based on the Sean Cavanagh incident and Joe Brolly's analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 06, 2015, 09:39:57 PM
When I heard the news on this and I got it in quite good detail from a good source I was totally shocked and thought that is the straw that broke the back and maybe the whole thing was even expected to happen and Ms Jordan was brought on board with maybe even this in mind that it would come to her having to intervene. Only my own viewpoint

I heard another story about how Harte treated an ex player recently and was totally shocked that that too.
So I expected the board this week to be totally disgusted with Harte and there is no way for him to continue now but alas there are still a few who think this is only about him not talking to RTE. Its goes a lot deeper than that and a lot further back than that.
Mickey has always been used to getting things his own way and even when he makes a mistake he's not the type to say sorry or I was wrong there IMHO.
He has stood on a lot of toes over the years and I think NaomhBridAbú sums it up very well in his bullet points. HUGE lack of respect for other people's opinions.

Fair play to Roisin Jordan for standing up to him and I'd love to have been a fly on the wall at that CB meeting this week.

You don't need to be a fly on the wall. Sure posters on here will be able to tell you EXACTLY what happened given their reliable sources or fellas they were talking to.  ::)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 06, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
With the meeting taking place in front of club delegates within 24hours the world and his wife would know what happened roughly!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: 50fiftyball on March 07, 2015, 10:17:55 AM
Any fellow tyrone supporters need tickets for tonight? Have 4 lower hogan , ended up with more than I need.. Heading down to dublin around 2...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 07, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Grt result. We always play well v the dubs.Hopefully thats the politics left to one side and we can  all all get behind the team till the end of the year.who knows were it will take us
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 07, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
Agreed.  Well done mic key and the team.  Great interview after.   To hell with rte
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on March 07, 2015, 09:41:04 PM
great gutsy display hopefully barry tierney hasnt suffered a serious injury looked horrible
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on March 07, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
Yes very unfortunate
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on March 07, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
Did look bad on the replays.
Great result from a low base. 3/4 from Mayo & Dublin v 1/4 from Derry & Monaghan.
Not sure where we are going but still hoping.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on March 08, 2015, 08:25:46 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.

It's debatable that Morgan is even the "Best" keeper in Edendork!!!

O'Neill a far better shot stopper, stays between the posts where he is supposed to, accurate kick outs and from what I hear, performing better at training. I myself am surprised he is still hangin around, considering MH has always rotated his keepers until this years League
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 08, 2015, 08:42:09 PM
Harte got criticised last year for playing so many players so he can't really win.  Peter Hughes started a good few McKenna cup games and first day of leagues so has got games. Emmet McKenna started loads last year including a few championship games. Opportunities limited this year but has never taken his chances .

Oneill is a good keeper but probably not as good a a Morgan. Plenty of keepers up and down country have to accept being the number 2. Hopefully he does push on and challenge Morgan over next few years.

It's debatable that Morgan is even the "Best" keeper in Edendork!!!

O'Neill a far better shot stopper, stays between the posts where he is supposed to, accurate kick outs and from what I hear, performing better at training. I myself am surprised he is still hangin around, considering MH has always rotated his keepers until this years League

Right enough, Mickey rotated the keepers in the league up until Morgan came on the scene, O'Neill getting very few run outs at all
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 11:11:18 PM
There's people who no longer want Harte as manager using his rte interview thing as an excuse to get giving him abuse. Let's face it the average tyrone fan couldn't care less if there was interviews with rte after these games.  In fact they'd be more than happy with the situation if we were winning all Ireland's.

The funny thing about this big issue of not talking to rte and the damage it's doing the sponsors is that rte don't show the league games cause they don't give a crap about the league. So any interview is more for the radio and there would be no exposure for the sponsor anyway. They do the league Sunday show in fairness but interviews are very light. Tonight Gavin was on for about 20 seconds and you didn't see the Dublin sponsor on his jumper.

I personally feel a big drama is made over very little given any exposure from the interviews is so limited. I'd prefer a situation where our county board and sponsor was supporting the county manager and team and not causing unnecessary distractions.

I know fuzzman and a few have said that the stance is leading to us getting a hard time from rte but I don't think it makes one bit of difference. They gave tyrone serious abuse right throughout the 2000s when the team did interviews. Puke football, orourke eating his hat etc.

Also let's not forget the way sean cavanagh was victimised by them 2 years. A complete over the top sensationalist rant against an amateur sportsman. He might have shrugged it off initially but he did say later it was very difficult for his family and caused hassle in work. I have heard that the players don't want to speak to rte and I would not be surprised if it was the case.

Let's concentrate on the football and getting behind the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 11:20:00 PM
On another note isn't it great to see 'nephew' Harte and 'brother' colm playing so well against one of the top teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on March 10, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Funny game - 11 wides and 4/5 dropped short into Dublin keeper....a few ifs and buts and that game would have left the papers saying that Gavin and Dublin were under more pressure and Tyrone were on the ascendancy....?
And the monaghan game all but forgotten....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on March 10, 2015, 04:29:52 PM
RHS, do you really think RTE has no influence over the GAA public's perceptions?
Do you not notice how many people depend on pundits opinions to help them judge a game for themselves?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: WT4E on March 16, 2015, 12:13:40 AM
RTE not sending any cameras to omagh today to cork game? Is this due to the snub or am I reading too much into it?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 05:18:16 PM
Anyone got any idea of the starting under 21 team for Wednesday night. Apparently the county board have thrown a lot of support into the campaign
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tiempo on March 16, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
Anyone got any idea of the starting under 21 team for Wednesday night. Apparently the county board have thrown a lot of support into the campaign

What do you mean? Loads more cash than normal?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on March 16, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 16, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.

How did morgan play. Few reckon mickey oneill should get a go. Were the frees missed long way out. Didn't get but to match cork indeed lead for most of the game would indicate we not far of the top table. next 3 games I suppose will tell us more. Looking forward to wed night. Fermanagh normally not upto much but this is the same group that won the mcrory a few years ago. They could be dangerous but id like to think wed be tuned into that. il have a stab at the team.Only a guess.
1   fox- killyclogher
2 r mullen - Carmen?
3 r brennan-trillick
4 r Kelly-trillick
5 k mcgeary-pomeroy
6 m Cassidy-ardboe
7 p McKenna-donghamore
8 c mcshane -roes
9  maculey Quinn-stewardstown
10 f bruns-pomeroy
11 m Kavanagh-errigal
12 r mcglone-agahloo
13 l brennan-trillick
14 r sludden-dromore
15 m Bradley-kllyclogher
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 16, 2015, 07:46:30 PM
I'd say that'll be very close to the starting 15 redzone. I'd expect Mathew Walsh to be included somewhere in the forward line.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 08:24:31 PM
What about Danny mc nulty, is he still injured? Would conor Meyler not be close either?
A lot of good players on that panel. No pressure fergal 😄
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on March 16, 2015, 08:27:32 PM
Forgot about meyler. One of the first names on the team sheet too.

As far as I know, big Dan still struggling with back injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on March 16, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
Is paudie hampsey still under 21 also, Ciaran mc Laughlin too.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on March 16, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
There are some exceptions but a lot of the time rte only show highlights of games that have been on Setanta or tg4 at the weekend and don't bother with the league. So I don't think them not sending cameras was anything to do with Harte but more there indifference to the gaa from October to May.

Positives and negatives from yesterday. Thought we put in a really good first half and worked hard and as a team throughout. We did run totally out of steam with 15 to go. The game plan on that omagh pitch obviously had a big impact. It is only match and no one would want to team to peak yet so hopefully there will be a bit more in the tank come championship.

The two areas that require most work are scoring and breaking ball. We're missing to many frees and dropping to many short from open play. We really need cavanagh Donnelly and Harte go start getting more on the score board. Mcaliskey was excellent in the first half yesterday but doesn't have the engine for the current game plan. He either needs to be excused of tracking back so far out the pitch or used as an impact sub with 30 to go.

Breaking ball from kickouts has to be a priority and has been an issue for at least 3 years. We aren't getting in positions to win breaking ball. Teams push up on our kickouts and we end up kicking to an isolated player with 3 or 4 opposition around them. We need to get back to basics and get more men around the ball.

Overall plenty to work on but I do think we're going to right road and our a lot further ahead with a settled team and plan.

How did morgan play. Few reckon mickey oneill should get a go. Were the frees missed long way out. Didn't get but to match cork indeed lead for most of the game would indicate we not far of the top table. next 3 games I suppose will tell us more. Looking forward to wed night. Fermanagh normally not upto much but this is the same group that won the mcrory a few years ago. They could be dangerous but id like to think wed be tuned into that. il have a stab at the team.Only a guess.
1   fox- killyclogher
2 r mullen - Carmen?
3 r brennan-trillick
4 r Kelly-trillick
5 k mcgeary-pomeroy
6 m Cassidy-ardboe
7 p McKenna-donghamore
8 c mcshane -roes
9  maculey Quinn-stewardstown
10 f bruns-pomeroy
11 m Kavanagh-errigal
12 r mcglone-agahloo
13 l brennan-trillick
14 r sludden-dromore
15 m Bradley-kllyclogher

I would expect dan mc nulty paudie hampsey connor meyler all to start
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 16, 2015, 09:47:13 PM
yeah forgot about a few. some squad we have. is big dan over his injuries. never really seen much of hampsey play only once or twice, meylers a good player. is a grugan u 21? Again we seem to be producing a smaller type player. Not much you can do about that. just play the hand ure dealt really. I will be watchin the line closlely to see how big a say wee peter has. Logan has worked with this group at underage so he should know the players inside out. nothing better than a midweek championship match
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:12:27 PM
I wont b watching Pete closely, nothing to watch. Great great player who isnt going to cut it in management. Took Errigal to nothing, mc guckian comes in and wins a championship, takes fermanagh, totally crap, look what Mc Grath is now doing. Won a championship with Cavan gaels is like winning a championship with st galls in Antrim i.e. Anyone could do it
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 16, 2015, 10:34:02 PM
I wont b watching Pete closely, nothing to watch. Great great player who isnt going to cut it in management. Took Errigal to nothing, mc guckian comes in and wins a championship, takes fermanagh, totally crap, look what Mc Grath is now doing. Won a championship with Cavan gaels is like winning a championship with st galls in Antrim i.e. Anyone could do it

I suppose I agree that Peter Canavan's record has not exactly set the world alight but just clarify what Pete McGrath has done at Fermanagh in his time so far to earn your admiration? A mediocre div 3 league campaign and a championship loss to Antrim and first round qualifier defeat in 2014 hardly warrants praise in comparison to anyone's record. He's started well enough this term but hasn't really done enough yet to be suggesting he's making better use of the players at his disposal than Canavan did.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 16, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
Looks like Mc Grath is taking Fermanagh into division two, never those All Ireland's he has won at Sen and minor county football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on March 16, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
Looks like Mc Grath is taking Fermanagh into division two, never those All Ireland's he has won at Sen and minor county football.

Is he? There's a long way to go before you can confirm their promotion and somehow rating Canavan's record in Fermanagh by quoting McGrath's All Irelands with Down is just a little bit silly. The truth is that Fermanagh are a busted flush with limited resources and to hang Canavan on that record is harsh - remember he did get them promoted. So that leaves us with the record at Errigal where, if I'm not mistaken he won the league twice, some might say the foundations were laid for McGuckin, who hasn't exactly set the world alight since that first victory. So actually, his record isn't too bad, I'd be confident he would have something positive to add to the u21 set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on March 17, 2015, 06:53:46 AM
couldnt imagine conor meyler and ciaran mclaughlin not starting in  the u21 team redzone and mcgarrity possibly the galbally lad
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 09:23:23 AM
on canavan. bennys right. he took errigal to the league a few times and def laid the foundations for errigal.daisy wouldn't play for him and that was the one player extra that they needed. the island beat them in dungannon the year they won it in the first round and errigal had 16/17 wides that day.i think errigal were beat by the eventual winners everytime under canavan. with Fermanagh again laid the founds, (ryan mccluskey said they had never experienced as high a level of management) but again a player wouldn't play for him in seamie quiqley.(headcase anyway). they nearly got promoted out div3 but just missed out narrowly. brought a championship to cavan gaels who hadn't won one in quite a few years. id say hes a good manager. the only thing that blackened his name was the massive money he had to get to go to Fermanagh and gaels. suppose if there foolish enough to hand it over that's there problem. Pete McGrath by all accounts is more or less just getting basic mileage allowance and would be a grt manager. look how long hes in the game. Fermangh would give any ulster team a game of it on there day and would be dangerous on the easy side of the usfc            MAN MARKER  id say you probably played in the reserves again errigal then yous had a few injuries and you were threw onto pick up canavan. (manager knew what he was doing and decided to put some manners on this young cub man marker).He made you sick with sidesteps and the ultimate humiliation u were subbed of again.   After that game u were christened the man marker. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) That's the only logical reason I can think of as why you don't like the wee  genius. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 17, 2015, 07:36:08 PM
Go on, feel free to put in bold the post where I said I didn't like him. He won't cut it at inter county management. If you want to win a championship in football go St Galls, Cavan Gaels or  Ballinderry. I literally laughed myself to tears reading he put Fermanagh in good staed for wee Pete Mc Grath, couldn't get him out the door quick enough with terrible football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: bannside on March 17, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
Total Bullshit. Nearly every Fermanagh player will credit PTG for taking them on miles even if it didn't result in silverware.  Set the foundations for next man in PMG who is also a serious operator. But for Man Marker to say PTG won't cut it at management level is laughable.  Is he going to put his credentials out there?  LOL.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 17, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
You are entitled to your opinion, but after reading many of your overly optimistic posts on how successful Antrim could be if only this or that was done, I will stick with my observations. But let me say I would be delighted if he turns out to be a success with Tyrone, thst would be great, but cant see it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Total Bullshit. Nearly every Fermanagh player will credit PTG for taking them on miles even if it didn't result in silverware.  Set the foundations for next man in PMG who is also a serious operator. But for Man Marker to say PTG won't cut it at management level is laughable.  Is he going to put his credentials out there?  LOL.

Sorry bannside but wee Pete was left with a fair few players who walked away after Peter quit. Wee Pete was left a mess to clear up and very few foundations. 
Peter took us from division  4 to division 3 after the shambles of the John O'Neill year where everybody en mass walked away.

Canavan had an excellent set up. Great backroom team.
But his decision making during games wasn't great.

He will probably have learnt a lot from his Fermanagh experience and I would say will be a lot wiser for it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: North Man on March 17, 2015, 09:09:07 PM
I watched Peter C at the Cavan Gaels v Slaughtneil Ulster Club game in Owenbeg
From being a giant in his playing days he was a small lost boy in this game.
I would have serious reservations if he is going to cut it at management level, his name will only carry so far.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
Yeah that  slaughneil match. Football is easy managed from the stands. Dont agree that he left
a mess behind him and few foundations. Why did so many players think so highly
 of him then. The fact that players left after he quit is hardly his fault.james sherry work
commitments, mccabe soccer.id say look at the players
he brought through
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 09:48:28 PM
Peter was the manager that gave Eoin Donnelly his chance.
Played him wing half forward instead of midfield
Name the rest of the players he played and brought though?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
D mccusker,tomas corrigan. BIG UNIT. Eoin donnelly
Clucker, mccabe.the list is endless as half the team walked during oneill time
Fermanagh were in disaray before he came and hes deserves credit for wat he done.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on March 17, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
No Fermanagh supporter I know would let Canavan back near a Fermanagh team again if he did the job for nothing. I think that says it all. Tyrone U21s should beat Fermanagh out the gate.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 10:18:54 PM
Corrigan and mcccusker played under o Neill in London.
I was there unfortunately.

As I said Canavan brought Eoin Donnelly in.

Big unit is  a reference to Seamie I think who played under O Rourke and Clucker and McCabe both played for numerous Fermanagh managers before Peter.
Sean Quigley probably got his debut under Canavan but he was always going to be called in as he was just out of minor in Canavans first year

No doubt Fermanagh were in disarray when he took over.
We were at the bottom of the barrel.


Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Yeah thats the supporters. The players thought othetwise. Sure if the tyrone supporters had there way harte a 3 time all ireland winner would be gone. What did paudie o shea say about supportets
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
All im sayin fermgael is if tyrone player couldnt play his best football for canavan there would be somrthing wrong with him. Hes a walking legend down here. Good luck in the year ahead. Tipping yous to get to the ulster final
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: North Man on March 17, 2015, 10:25:31 PM
Redzone
There is a big ? mark over Peter C becoming a top class manager
Hopefull he will
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: NDA on March 17, 2015, 10:31:54 PM
Yes huge questions marks over Canavan's coaching and tactical awareness. Very negative boring gameplan and poor decisions during games. Players were treated really well but performances on pitch were poor. Pete McGrath has unexpectedly for many really improved Fermanagh and is getting great credit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2015, 10:35:17 PM
All im sayin fermgael is if tyrone player couldnt play his best football for canavan there would be somrthing wrong with him. Hes a walking legend down here. Good luck in the year ahead. Tipping yous to get to the ulster final

I would agree with that about Canavan.  He should inspire your players.

As for an Ulster final place, I will take a first round win over Antrim.
That's the priority.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 17, 2015, 10:41:51 PM
Yeah agree hes a not a top manager and mightn be. Time will tell. Any team he has went to has improved from him being there thats for sure.Fermgael you better not boo him tomorrow night, he only took about 120g of yous over 2yrs   >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 17, 2015, 11:07:46 PM
Have Tyrone named a team yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on March 18, 2015, 09:39:24 AM
My stab at the Tyrone un21 team tonight, know most of the lads really well and from what people are saying i also think ciaran mclaughin and meyler will both start, also i wouldnt be surprised if dan mc nulty also starts at full forward. Big question over the team is midfield and where to play rory breenan and cathal mc shane. I think paudie hamspey is a cert for full back as logan and dooher really like him, which i cant blame them, so where do you play rory breenan? from last year he struggled at full back against cavan so id say either half back or at midfield. Cathal Mc Shane is another, i dont think he best position is midfield but with the lack of quality at midfield i think they will play him here, ideally id play him at wing half forward instead of matty walsh

1. Sean Fox (Killyclogher)
2. Ruiari Mullan (Cookstown)
3. Paudie Hamspey (Coalisland)
4. Ciaran Mclaughlin (Omagh)
5. Michael Cassidy (Arboe)
6. Rory Breenan (Trillick)
7. Kieran Mc Geary (Promeroy)
8. Cathal Mc Shane (Owen Roes)
9. Frank Burns (Promeroy)
10. Mathew Walsh (Dungannon)
11. Mark Kavanagh (Errigal)
12. Conor Meyler (Omagh)
13. Ruairi Sludden (Dromore)
14. Dan Mc Nulty (Clonoe)
15. Mark Bradley (Killyclogher)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on March 18, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
Yeah agree hes a not a top manager and mightn be. Time will tell. Any team he has went to has improved from him being there thats for sure.Fermgael you better not boo him tomorrow night, he only took about 120g of yous over 2yrs   >:(

Glad you finally agreed with me
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 08:09:49 AM
Made the journey to Ballybofey yesterday,  bleak situation Mickey finds himself in with only a few short weeks to revisiting Donegal on the same sod again.  Hard to envisage the tables getting turned with a Tyrone win in May.  On the face of things it seemed we lacked any type of strategy, at best it was haphazzard. There seemed no plan on how to break down the 15 man Donegal blockade, certainly nothing new about Donegals game plan in last 4 years.  Our counter attack lacked pace, precision and cutting edge, it was laboured, predictable and Donegal could easily choke our attack to death.  70-80% of Donegal scores came from over-turned ball on a Tyrone attack.  We seemed extremely weak in the tackle and certainly there appeared no spear head for our forward attack. The forward fist pass process to the full forwards wasnt possible against the Donegal defensive blockade.  It would have taken a sonar device on the ball to make its way into them.  I wonder if Tyrone would have opted for some height within their Full Forward line and test an 'isolated' Donegal full back line, by whipping quick and fast high diagonal ball into the scoring zone on the counter attack,  it might have yielded something, at a minimum the high ball would have cut out at least 12 defenders if nothing else.  Mickey and his back room staff find themselves again in dark waters,  I sincerely hope he can turn this one around as it will be extremely hard to stomach another defeat to Donegal in Ballybofey in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: everymanaman on March 30, 2015, 09:41:54 AM
Out-thought, out-muscled, out-played. Tyrone in a very bad place, as the man says
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on March 30, 2015, 03:13:21 PM


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Made the journey to Ballybofey yesterday,  bleak situation Mickey finds himself in with only a few short weeks to revisiting Donegal on the same sod again.  Hard to envisage the tables getting turned with a Tyrone win in May.  On the face of things it seemed we lacked any type of strategy, at best it was haphazzard. There seemed no plan on how to break down the 15 man Donegal blockade, certainly nothing new about Donegals game plan in last 4 years.  Our counter attack lacked pace, precision and cutting edge, it was laboured, predictable and Donegal could easily choke our attack to death.  70-80% of Donegal scores came from over-turned ball on a Tyrone attack.  We seemed extremely weak in the tackle and certainly there appeared no spear head for our forward attack. The forward fist pass process to the full forwards wasnt possible against the Donegal defensive blockade.  It would have taken a sonar device on the ball to make its way into them.  I wonder if Tyrone would have opted for some height within their Full Forward line and test an 'isolated' Donegal full back line, by whipping quick and fast high diagonal ball into the scoring zone on the counter attack,  it might have yielded something, at a minimum the high ball would have cut out at least 12 defenders if nothing else.  Mickey and his back room staff find themselves again in dark waters,  I sincerely hope he can turn this one around as it will be extremely hard to stomach another defeat to Donegal in Ballybofey in a few weeks time.

yeah it wasn't good, reminded me of the monaghan game. we recovered after that so the Kerry game should be a great battle. I wouldn't totally write the team of yet. if Kerry beat us by 10/11 points next week then I would be worried.  they were very well organised and are near experts at this defenisive game. they continually fouled/stopped tyrone out the field in second half when we had the wind, and stopped the man taking a quick free until they got organised, whether it was by holding onto the mans hand after the whistle was blew or simply tapping the ball away a few yards, it all helps.id say they are the most cynical team ive seen.mcquillan never caught onto any of this but in fairness u need help from linesmen and umpires which never happened. even a man taking a free for a score they were roaring at him as he was takin the free which def isn't allowed. to put matty in fullforward in the second half just didn't work. ronan oneill should have stayed on, maybe he was injured. im sure he would have kicked a few in the second half. justy was the only player that came out of it with any credit. McCarron tried hard as did McNamee. at least the lads know nothing but a 9/10 performance from them all in 8 weeks time will get us over the line.

Will we do away with the blanket for the champ match. I think we should. Go man to man and push up on them up the field. It will take a furious workrate by the forwards and if we can get ahead of them early on they will have to come out and attack. Your only playing into donegals hands by playing a defensive game in ballybofey

   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on March 30, 2015, 04:42:48 PM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 01, 2015, 01:13:45 AM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.

That's actually a good point re the jersies.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on April 01, 2015, 11:47:39 AM
Agree 100% with you Redhand on the refereering aspect to yesterdays game,  the problem with this lies with the inconsistency of refereering.  What is a tackle and what is not a tackle?  Each referee has completely different interuption to a tackle.  How is this then coached technically by trainers/coaches?  Its outside the control of players and Management. Without question,  Tyrone full back line has been extremely consistent in this league campaign and I have been impressed by McNamee, McCrory and McCarron over the games.  You correctly point out the cuteness of Donegal,  but on the flip side of that,  Tyrone should be well aware of these small areas of Donegals game and by now we should be trying to counter act these in some shape or form. As mad a suggestion it might be but is it time to move away from the skin tight tops and back to older more loose styled top to accentuate the quick pull back by opponents that now goes un-noticed, unbooked?   Michael Murphys frees again could be looked at, would there be any possibility of putting him off his stride?  I did notice (I stand corrected if wrong) that Michael Murphy kicked a free wide in the second half, third quarter,  but seconds before his kick Peter Harte walked across the path of the ball (intentionally or not, I'm unsure).  Two years ago Donegal focused on Morgans kicks,  this year Tyrone need to be coming with new ideas, new forward thinking strategies to counter act Donegals strong points. It will be difficult in Ballybofey at the best of times, but a no show would be unbearable.  It will be a great battle in Healy Park come Sunday another massive yardstick for Tyrone to measure against the 2014 All Ireland Champions.

That's actually a good point re the jersies.

nonsense, the reverse would be the case to highlight any pulling, a baggy jersey would do nothing only leave you more open to getting pulled and hauled and go unnoticed.. 'mon boys if we didn't have skins sure there'd be no point in getting a six pack a tall a tall
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 12:14:41 PM

"Will we do away with the blanket for the champ match. I think we should. Go man to man and push up on them up the field. It will take a furious workrate by the forwards and if we can get ahead of them early on they will have to come out and attack. Your only playing into donegals hands by playing a defensive game in ballybofey"


Isnt that what Dublin did last August? Go man to man & push up the field? Tactically I cannot see how Tyrone can possibly get out of Ballybofey with a win. Donegal are masters at the defensive game and will prevail if we decide to sit deep and get men behind the ball. Equally if we push up we will get slaughtered.

It sounds crazy, but id put the 3 best fielders of a ball in a 3 man forward line. Sean Cav, Clarke & Joe McMahon for example. Hoof occasional ball directly into them - high, direct & early. Deploy the rest of the team in a 12 men behind the ball in the zonal defensive strategy. You have effectively a half back line of about 8 men here. Id select in this position the best long range kickers in the squad - McAlisky, McCurry & the likes - over more traditional traditional defenders like McNabb, McCrory & grafters like Tiernan McCann. When you defend in such numbers your defensive skills arnt tested as much, its more the ability to swarm. These lads need to be kicking points accurately at 45M, or delivering fast accurate ball into the 3 forwards.
The 12 defenders need to either kick the ball early to the full forward line (Plan A) or work a shooting chance in under 4 passes amongst themselves (Plan B). If your taking more than 4 hand passes - your playing into Donegals hands.
Another thing - don't contest the kickouts. Again overload team selction with men who can kick points from distance, over the likes of Colm Cavanagh (who in a different tactical battle may well be the first name on the teamsheet)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 12:31:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 12:46:59 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 01, 2015, 12:52:35 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....

Mattie Donnelly is on the Panel. & Kyle Coney should be also. As I said it was "my team" for Donegal id be entitled to put whoever I liked on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 01, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
my team for Donegal SFC, Ballybofey

Keeper - Morgan
Full Back line -McCarron, Justin, McNamee
Zonal defence (8men) Harte, McAliskey, McCurry, M. Bradley, Joe McMahon, M Donnelly, K Coney, R O'Neill
Forwards - Sean, Colm & Clarke

God14 - do you know something the rest of us don't..? K.Coney and M.Donnelly aren't even on the panel so unless they are back or due to be invited back they will not feature v Donegal....

Mattie Donnelly is on the Panel. & Kyle Coney should be also. As I said it was "my team" for Donegal id be entitled to put whoever I liked on it.

God14 - apologies, I thought you meant Mark Donnelly and forgot about Mattie - yes he should definitely be on any team. As regards Coney, I agree 100% with you but unfortunately the man that counts disagrees with us on this one - Coney is a quality player.

It was 'your team' as you correctly state but like the rest of us we could pick teams with players that MH has dropped, forgot about or ignores and that is when they are on the panel...

All told it will take a super performance from whatever team is selected to come out of Donegal with a victory in a few weeks time....

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 01, 2015, 02:42:11 PM
How is Joe McMahon getting on with his studies,  I'm wondering if he is worth carrying on the panel for the Donegal game, he's a guy that brings immense experience and 'grit' and goes without saying, he's a leader. I'm wondering if Gavin Devlin could bring Kyle Coney back into the fray?  There is certainly a argument for him to be 'coaxed' back to county football.  Management must be considering every possibility since Sunday last.  Niall McKenna is another option that might or could be worked on.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 01, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
yes god 14 Dublin did go man to man and were looking like they were going to run away with after 15 min. they didn't take they scores and some very naïve defending cost them. I thing one thing is for sure u need to get ahead of Donegal early on, don't concede goals and make them come out and play.

will joe have a role to play. it will be hard coming in to play championship football having not played any league at his age.

Donegal aren't world beaters. they have it all to lose and tyrone are massive underdogs and sometimes that can hold a team back. at the end of the day lacey is the only natural defender they have. they are an oldish team but extremely cute at the dark arts. push up and go man to man. its something they wont be used to.obv have to win midfield/breaks but that is were the hunger will come in. im sure the lads wont let us down

sunny day unfortunately id say  the ship as sailed for coney as regards this year but u never know.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 02, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
How is Joe McMahon getting on with his studies,  I'm wondering if he is worth carrying on the panel for the Donegal game, he's a guy that brings immense experience and 'grit' and goes without saying, he's a leader. I'm wondering if Gavin Devlin could bring Kyle Coney back into the fray?  There is certainly a argument for him to be 'coaxed' back to county football.  Management must be considering every possibility since Sunday last.  Niall McKenna is another option that might or could be worked on.

Joe mc mahon and dermy carlin are both back training with tyrone at the minute
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: referee on April 05, 2015, 02:47:45 PM
Watching tg4,nip and tuck,tyrone showing much more fight, S avanagh playing well but have to say unless it's my tv ,but has he man boobs
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 07, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 07, 2015, 04:32:53 PM
Disappointed Dwayne Quinn left the panel, couldn't really care about the other three going as they had plenty of chances and were far from impressive. Quinn found it tough to get into the defence but in fairness I think they defence has been pretty good in the league (aided by the system of course). I hope Micky drafts in a few U21s when they are finished up. Their freshness would be no bad thing to bring into the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 07, 2015, 08:58:47 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2015, 10:47:25 PM
Before the watershed?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 07, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: DermyTDredi on April 08, 2015, 07:40:13 AM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.

+1
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 10:36:12 AM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: skeog on April 08, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
what a disgusting comment max payne go and get yourself versed in how a stammer or speech impediment can affect people or better still dont comment
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 08, 2015, 11:06:20 AM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.

 Sure next time you see someone in a wheelchair go over and have a good laugh at them!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 08, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
With the recent departures of lads from the Tyrone panel what is now the panel count?  Is there 30 plus players readily available?  You would need 30 plus players to be able to play in house games for the next six weeks in preparation of the Donegal game.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on April 08, 2015, 12:10:48 PM
With the recent departures of lads from the Tyrone panel what is now the panel count?  Is there 30 plus players readily available?  You would need 30 plus players to be able to play in house games for the next six weeks in preparation of the Donegal game.

Some club lads get drafted in to play in these.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Max Payne on April 08, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
what a disgusting comment max payne go and get yourself versed in how a stammer or speech impediment can affect people or better still dont comment

Hes a bumbling fool. If it was anybody else bar Ricey I would have sympathy for them but speech impediment or otherwise, it never affects him too badly when he is gubbing on a football field. Disgusting sums him up perfectly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 08, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
good one max, I did laugh at that one.no harm but there's a hell of a lot of men from that tyrone team who should be on it before him. a good footballer but not anywhere near a legend.

good to have you back man marker. all im sayin is that surely they went in to the setup at the start of the year knowing that they would have very little roles to play. its the same on every county team, you will have 20 players that will play the games and the other boys will be there to make training competive. theres a flip side to that though and if you are showing well at training  then you may well get a chance at some stage, you will just have to bide your time. one player who I think has shown this and proved he is upto the task is pj lavery. hes kept his head down kept at it and any time he has got game time hes worked like a demon and proved hes upto the task, and if I was picking the team id nearly have him in corner forward for the championship.fair play to yea pj.

As for the lads not developing by being on the county panel, laughable that. cant understand that at all. surely the mere fact of being involved the other county players, training with them and being coached by a multiple all Ireland winning manager would bring anybody on. At the end of the day they would only be missing 3/4 starred games, in the grand scheme of things not that much. but if their not happy its their choice. I think the harsh reality is they just aren't upto county standard

good luck to the lads tonite
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 08, 2015, 04:56:33 PM
Playing is the only way you develop, coaching is only relevant if you play so you can copper fasten what you have been coached into proper game/ pressure situations. Therecr players who have sat on that Tyrone bench and their game has went backwards, Peter Donnelly is a very obvious example

Mickey don't do the coaching, hasn't in a while
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 08, 2015, 05:03:01 PM
Ricey is the subject on Laochra Gael next Tuesday night 8pm TnaG


The show is set to last an extra 45 minutes than normal due to all his stuttering and stammering whenever he was asked a question.

Max if you don't like the man, say it, no one will get offended by that, but don't make fun of some ones disability, you come across as ignorant
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on April 08, 2015, 05:36:19 PM
good luck to the 21s tonite. Hope they sort out that outfit.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 08, 2015, 08:31:23 PM
Important win tonight. Well done lads!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 08, 2015, 09:26:51 PM
Well done team and management.  an important milestone in the comeback for Tyrone football.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 08, 2015, 10:49:26 PM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

Yeah, go ahead and enlighten us how sitting on a bench all season, playing max of 60 mins and then missing 5 starred games with the club will help you develop as a player. Answers on a stamp.

There is some logic in this for mcguigan and Mcneice who have been there years and not made it but doesn't really make sense for Quinn. It was his first year on panel and surely you'd have to expect a fight on your hands to make the team and that it might take time? He played in 2 or 3 McKenna cup games then got injured and then got a start when back from injury in the league. He didn't do enough to hold down a place that day but who knows in the future.

On a different note it was a super win for the u21s tonight, very good all round team performance. Let's hope they can step up at all ireland level now.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 09, 2015, 08:57:09 AM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

That's a lot of forwards we have lost from last years panel.  Off the top of my head...
Stephen O'Neill
Martin Penrose
Mark Donnelly
Emmet McKenna
Ciaran McGinley
Shea McGuigan
Paddy McNiece
Kyle Coney

We are only an injury or two away from a crisis.

Youd imagine the management would be taking a serious look at Dan McNulty. He offers something completely different to our prototype small nippy forwards. He has struggled with injuries in recent times but the talent & athleticism is clear for all to see. If he could avoid injury he would be the one that I could see making the step up this year.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 09, 2015, 09:05:49 AM
The ulster herald has it that dwayne quinn.shea mcgiugan.emmet mckenna and paddy mcniece have left the squad.if true its a wild thing to do a few weeks before the showdown with donegal.granted some might be injured but not all of them

That's a lot of forwards we have lost from last years panel.  Off the top of my head...
Stephen O'Neill
Martin Penrose
Mark Donnelly
Emmet McKenna
Ciaran McGinley
Shea McGuigan
Paddy McNiece
Kyle Coney

We are only an injury or two away from a crisis.

Youd imagine the management would be taking a serious look at Dan McNulty. He offers something completely different to our prototype small nippy forwards. He has struggled with injuries in recent times but the talent & athleticism is clear for all to see. If he could avoid injury he would be the one that I could see making the step up this year.

I believe Ciaran McGinley has transferred back to Errigal from Fulham Irish in London, I wonder will we see him back again?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 09, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
As far as I know,  S McGuigan was only called into the Tyrone set up at the beginning of the 2014 year (I think).  At best he is only with the county senior set up for 15/16 Months max,  I certainly dont think he has been there as years.  I do agree that being part of the Tyrone set up or any county set up will contribute to a players development both mentally and physically and as noted,  a County player should only miss 4 or 5 starred club games at best during any given year.  Having a club player on the county set up automatically gives the club a boost in my opinion and naturally creates a leader/leaders on the pitch for club teams.

Great win for the U21's last night, super game.  Its great to get the win so close to the 1st round of the senior championship.  It just might be the first little edge needed. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 09, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
congrats to the lads last nite, grt team performance. mcshane was brilliant first half and really took the game to Donegal. 2 brennans were outstanding and big dan was the back to his best. there's no real individual stars on this team but just a savage work rate from them. the Roscommon match will be the acid test. great to be n he pitch afterwards watching tyrone lift an ulster title. The joy on peoples faces was unreal, especially the older generation.

a word on the ref who I thought had a good game. at u21 level there is no pressure on refs and they aren't afraid to give out black cards if they are warranted. advantage rule was applied numerous times and he came back after 5 seconds if didn't work out. theres no doubt having watched the Donegal and Kerry games there should have been 8/9 black cards which weren't given. you have the same refs mcquillqn,paudie hughes etc who ref the big games the way they think it should be and players no what they will get away with. if the rules were applied correctly or as near it there wouldn't be much wrong with the game.

well done fergal logan, agreat servant to tyrone football.
wee word on peter the grt, and dooher two legends. how many ulster titles have they between them now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 09, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
PJ Lavery gone now also!!
Pressure from Damien Cassidy? Both PJ & D. Quinn both going.

All is clearly not well in the senior squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on April 09, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
I suspect this reaction from many of the squad players is on the back of Joe Mcmahons appearance on Sunday. They were probably already frustrated at not playing, but when someone (albeit a quality player) returns for 1 week training and immediately gets on, its sure to annoy the players even more. I'd say Lavery was on the verge of starting. He must have made an appearance in most league games this season. Has Mickey O'Neill returned to the county panel? Could he be the next to depart?

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 09, 2015, 09:53:04 PM
Shocking that PJ has followed suit, I heard whispers all day that this was about to happen. Cassidy must be putting serious pressure on the Clonoe lads. He has a point if their not in the first 18 he wants them available but every county needs a squad.  Continues to make a farce of the starred game set up. 2 Cavanaghs should withdraw say they want to make themselves available for Moy or the Omagh Contignent say club first see what happens next. Clonoe, Ardboe, Coalisland and Eglish all benefit
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 10, 2015, 06:57:27 AM
Surprised to see Lavery go, he stuck it out last year and was getting some opportunities this year. I hope it not down to a Derry man forcing club before County.

For the past few years Harte has been getting criticized for not having a settled team. Now by finally trying to do that he is limiting the opportunities for the greater squad. Unless there is an exceptional team spirit and belief that the team is on the verge of something great no man wants to sit on a bench and sacrifice himself for the greater good.
Harte and the 03 team had that with his u-18/u-21 success but the majority of the squad no longer have that belief that comes with success together.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on April 10, 2015, 07:56:23 AM
Sad that these lads have left.  It takes 30 plus players to build a team of 15. During the 2000's club players it was recognised by many of our great players it took every last player to push the starting 15 to the edge, to go one better,  to get that 1% extra out of the team, and every man on that panel was cherished.  Yes, Joe MacMahon coming back might have caused a lot of ill feeling amongest squad players but unfortunately and regretably its part and parcel of football.  2008 seen Stephen O'Neill return for an All Ireland Final, never to be at training all year, never to play 1 minute of championship football.  Ciaran Gourley started and finished every championship game that year and then found himself dropped for that All Ireland Final and not to play as much as 1 second that day.  Brian McGuigan returned from Australia on a Thursday and came on as a substitute that Sunday against Cavan (I think) in 2005 Ulster Championship. These are just some examples.  All players mentioned who have left the panel this year are extremely talented individuals with immense football ability,  they all have many attributes and would make any County set up but it's terrible to see them leave.  I sincerely hope that club managers who have no vested interest in Tyrone Football are not persuading players to leave the county set up.  But,  as pointed out on this forum that could be the case,  I wonder if Damien Cassidy or Martin McKinless had a chat with the said players about staying with the county? I seriously doubt it.  Someone also mentioned Peter Donnelly on this thread and how being on the bench for Tyrone had a negative effect on his football ability.  I would assume if he was asked himself personally, he would say that it was one of the best experiences of his footballing career and without doubt has contributed immensely to Coalisland winning a County Title and more importantly the experiences he gained during his involvement with Tyrone for 10 plus years have added to his working life in terms of his top notch coaching skills and ability and in some way has added to Tyrone's U21 achievement on Wednesday night past.  His efforts with Tyrone are not unnoticed during the 2000's,  it was him who pushed Kevin Hughes, Enda McGinley, Sean Cavanagh, Colly Holmes etc to be the best they could be, and that as a county we should be eternally grateful for.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
It's hard not to imagine that pressure is being put on the clonoe boys by a Derry man with no interest in Tyrone which is sad to see. For years some clonoe people have complained about their players not being picked and worse still they have gave serious abuse to existing players but it appears the majority of their players aren't interested in playing for Tyrone, dorris didn't want to either.

Both pj and quinn had got opportunities this year. Pj may not have been starting but was a key sub coming on most games. So joe McMahon coming on on Sunday had little impact on him and joe has earned the right for a late start to the year after giving everything over the last ten years. Pj actually went on holidays as far as I'm aware during the McKenna cup and Harte seemed to be very understanding which many county managers wouldn't have accepted from a fringe player.

You'd think listening to some on here that players either have a choice to play for club or county which isn't the case. Unlike many counties tyrone players play in at least two thirds of club league games and championship games. A club like clonoe would easily compete in the other 5 started games given their squad so it makes even less sense. I do appreciate it can impact training but it's great for the lads to be involved at the top level of the game and having the pride to represent their county so wouldn't want to see pressure being out on them.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 08:58:36 AM
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.

In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 10, 2015, 09:06:09 AM
The irony of club manager stopping player playing with county team. #karma  ???
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on April 10, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.

In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.

Your dead right... This will be discussed at every club up and down the county.  Other players will be put under pressure by not only club managers but other club players.  The players will almost feel its now their duty to follow suit.  Look at Danny McBride, hardly kicked a ball, will Micky O'Neill join the other Clonoe clan and decide im no.2 and look to what PJ nad Dwayne have done think he is left with no option.  Dungannon will look to Patrick Quinn in a big year for their club back in Senior football.  It could be a domino effect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on April 10, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
Or to put a more positive spin on it......maybe the panel will have an influx of All-Ireland winning u-21's joining the panel, prepared to put the team ahead of themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 10, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
PJ would have played a part against Donegal in the Ulster Championship, yet he decides to leave the panel because he's not starting?? He's played a lot of league games starting against Monaghan and various sub appearances including one on Sunday against Kerry. Surely coming on to mark Marc O'Se, etc will bring you on more than playing against standard club players in Tyrone.

Similarly Quinn getting to start against one of the country's best forward lines in Cork.

Clonoe people yapped about their lads not getting on the Tyrone panel and now a fella playing most games is turning his back on his county team? In recent times it's clear to be seen Clonoe people have created a disdain for the Senior County team bore out of the siege mentality that Cassidy has created. It's always a them and us, East/West, when the vast majority of the county don't build these divisions. 

I'd call up Meyler and McNulty from U21s but sure Danny would probably be told not to go.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 10, 2015, 10:40:13 AM
I wudnt be surprised it Meyler, McNulty, McGeery and Lee Brennan all get called up!
Ones will say Brennan maybe a bit young just outa minors but Harte will want him in like with what he did to McCurry when he was 18 and he def already has the talent!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
Not one of them would agree to join the panel. Why would they. The incumbents thought they were a beaten docket, the U-21s will think the same.

What way does it leave the ACL? Who were Clonoe meant to play their starred fixtures against?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 10, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Some crying on hear, didn't hear you crying when we had none selected the past six years. Mickey picked our lads as he could do nothing else due to the drop off in quality players else where in the county. As regards the starred games, we still have 2 players involved.
How Harte failed to give Lavery a regular start is beyond me and others that have posted on this board. Look at the poor type of players who started ahead of him last Sunday again, he must have been cracking up and then to watch a player train one week, who is to slow for the system Tyrone are playing must have just sickened the life out of the remaining panel members. Mc Nulty would be well advised to stay clear from that set up considering how they left him out of football for almost a year when he hurt his back in a Mc Kenna cup last year. Once he got hurt they washed their hands off him and dropped him off the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on April 10, 2015, 11:18:11 AM
Lads I think you will find that Joe McMahon has never been away from the panel and has been training all along..there has been some flexibility with him missing sessions but he has always been part of the squad.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Quarterback on April 10, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
Lads I think you will find that Joe McMahon has never been away from the panel and has been training all along..there has been some flexibility with him missing sessions but he has always been part of the squad.

He hasn't been part of the group sessions.  Himself and Dermy Carlin have been training with Peter Donnelly on the side.  Perhaps this running to Garvaghey 5 nights a week is becoming too much for some of the lads involved.   
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on April 10, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Thank you 'Knock Your Mucker In' for giving a better illustration of my point than I could ever hope to have given. Yous need to start digging a moat around the parish!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on April 10, 2015, 11:36:13 AM
What an awful mess. How things have deteriorated to this level is beyond me.

The only way this can be sorted out is with a new management team in place. Big call for the Chairwoman coming up in July.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Up The Middle on April 10, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 11:56:37 AM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on April 10, 2015, 12:14:17 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Man Marker on April 10, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?

Those players you mention are automatics on the county team, not bench warmers getting no regular football, if your going to post make some sense
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on April 10, 2015, 05:53:26 PM
lads cant believe casshidy getting the blame after all if your being paid the rumoured amount hes getting then hes well within his rights to demand value for his backer(s). personally them clonoe lads are no big loss to the set up too small mickey o neill id keep mcaliskey should be driven up to the island as well. money is talking it always does.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 10, 2015, 06:56:12 PM
Could be a short year for the clonoe lads who left the panel.if there are beat in the champ bythe island and the league being not good enough for them what will they do all summer.  ;)

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bensars on April 10, 2015, 07:06:44 PM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure

Seven?

Who am I missing? 2 Mcmahons, Clarke, Oneill,Tierney, Meyler potentially.

Who's the other?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 10, 2015, 08:11:27 PM
It is sad that these players have left the county panel. There is something inherently wrong with the system when Tyrone people don't want Tyrone to be successful or don't want the best players to make themselves available for the county team. I have no idea how this problem could be solved but it is true that lots of club players would prefer for Tyrone to lose so that any players they might have on the county panel could return to the club.
People on here are saying that county players only miss 5 starred games a year and that this isn't a lot. The starred games are not the issue !! The real issue is that with club championship only 7 weeks away these players will not be available to take part in a training session with their clubs until one week before the biggest game of the club season. The sudden death nature of the championship here is without doubt playing a huge part in these defections. I'm not saying this is fair or otherwise, I just saying this is the main stumbling block. (Clonoe and Carmen must be favourites now... if they weren't already).
I see calls for Meyler to be called up to the county panel. Would that make Omaghs county contingent 7!!! That couldn't be good for their preparations. But at least they aren't putting their players under any undue pressure

Seven?

Who am I missing? 2 Mcmahons, Clarke, Oneill,Tierney, Meyler potentially.

Who's the other?
ah I forgot conan grugan wasn't there any more
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 10, 2015, 08:21:05 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 10, 2015, 08:24:49 PM
Could be a short year for the clonoe lads who left the panel.if there are beat in the champ bythe island and the league being not good enough for them what will they do all summer.  ;)

What we are assured is that Tyrone will have a short season. League mustn't be important to Tyrone either  :P
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 09:48:56 PM
Whats the big deal lads, the Clonoe lads chose their club over their county, so what. I think its great. Its even better that its annoying a few numptys on here that wouldnt watch a club game on a Sunday but would travel the length and bredth of the country following the county. Priorites are correct in Clonoe as far as im concerned.

But there wasn't a choice between club and county. The players would still have been available for every key club game and at the same time been given the opportunity to compete and play at the highest level.

Plenty of players have played for Tyrone and had successful club careers, look at gormley canavan etc. errigal ciaran have never had an issue with their players playing for Tyrone and they're the only club that do well in ulster.

Also do you follow people on the board around to know what games they attend?

This would've been mostly in pre back door game. Back then you would've known much, much more clearly when your season was. It could've been over from an IC perspective by mid May.

The back door is the catalyst for most of these issues.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 10, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 10, 2015, 11:27:16 PM
Yeah it will be great when Tyrone are out of everything and we can squabble over an O'Neill cup and then get laughed at in the Ulster Club as usual!
That will be great for Tyrone football alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Beard on April 10, 2015, 11:54:07 PM
Yeah it will be great when Tyrone are out of everything and we can squabble over an O'Neill cup and then get laughed at in the Ulster Club as usual!
That will be great for Tyrone football alright.

and again sam....showing your true county colours. what club is it you support again?? probably couldn't even name us your captain.

run away off now and chase after a few premium level tickets in croker there
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 11, 2015, 12:34:10 AM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.

Ah come on Ffs, the semi final is next weekend, calm down, it's 7 days away, its hardly screwing over the club season. For the past 9 years the u21 team has had no impact on club football, relax!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 08:46:02 AM
What's the obsession with a few league games, in other counties teams couldn't care less about a few stupid league fixtures. In Derry there is no emphasis on the league - (their club teams are far more successful than ours), in Kerry this wouldn't be a problem at all, the u21s would just sit out, not many would get too concerned about a league match.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: laceer on April 11, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
In Kerry the league would run on regardless and the u21s would likely play away. There'd certainly have been no email sent out the night before the league games telling the clubs who they were permitted to play.

The needs of the majority need to outweigh the needs of the few. 99% of players in Tyrone have been ruled by the needs of the elite 1% for years now and I'm glad it's swinging back the other way a small bit.

Sam03/05 - for the majority of players this is their first proper game in about 6 months-who the fcuk are you to call it a stupid fixture? You're a mouth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 11, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
My view would be that none of the lads are a huge loss but it does suggest to me that something is not quite right within the camp. If the lads have been harbouring these thoughts in the dressing room then they are better off leaving. Hopefully, we can replace them with potential from the U21 squad who will have a winning mentality and will freshen up things.

With the news that the U21s are now screwing over Club seasons, it's almost got to the stage that I hope Tyrone are dumped out of everything early to allow Club seasons to progress properly. It's getting more and more like Clubs v County as opposed to Club and County.

Ah come on Ffs, the semi final is next weekend, calm down, it's 7 days away, its hardly screwing over the club season. For the past 9 years the u21 team has had no impact on club football, relax!

The whole fixture list this weekend was at the convenience of the U21s. Games moves to Saturday. No one knowing when their game was til Weds night. Boys unable to plan. Men taking half days from work to play today.

Then the U21s ask that no players are selected today.

So what was the point of moving the games and inconveniencing do many?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: sam03/05 on April 11, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
The league in Tyrone is a farce simple as that. It's starts with a great hullabullow, then when teams are safe they start handing each other points. Relegation is most often decided by who can get the most points handed to them by clubs that are safe at the end of the season. So I am sorry if I can't get too excited about a round of league fixtures ahead of a chance to get to an AllIreland final. If these were fixtures played in the last few weeks of the year (most important time) then half the clubs would be handing points out to keep other clubs safe. Complete farce.

In Kerry the league would run on regardless and the u21s would likely play away. There'd certainly have been no email sent out the night before the league games telling the clubs who they were permitted to play.

The needs of the majority need to outweigh the needs of the few. 99% of players in Tyrone have been ruled by the needs of the elite 1% for years now and I'm glad it's swinging back the other way a small bit.

Sam03/05 - for the majority of players this is their first proper game in about 6 months-who the fcuk are you to call it a stupid fixture? You're a mouth.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on April 11, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
I have it on good authority that Cassidy did not give any of his county players "Ultimatums" but would have been advising them what was best for Clonoe (he's in the business for results so nobody here can say they probably wouldn't be doing something similar) According to Michael O'Neill's Facebook he has been in America for a couple of weeks travelling but home now
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Tommo2 on April 11, 2015, 07:51:05 PM
Heard that 2 players were dropped from U21 panel last night as they indicated that they were going to play for their clubs today. Then the U21's are allowed to play today. Wonder what happens to the 2 players in question. I would hope the management team would do the honourable thing.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 11, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
Time will tell. Couldn't believe the management would attempt that.  We must remember they are learning their position too,  big mistake to take on the club's.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Christmas Lights on April 11, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Time will tell. Couldn't believe the management would attempt that.  We must remember they are learning their position too,  big mistake to take on the club's.

Bullying their own players into not playing for their clubs and then threatening them by saying they will be dropped from the panel if they do play is a disgrace. This management team has went down in my estimation
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on April 13, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
Rumblings around South Derry that all is not well in the camp. . . anybody know the story lads?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/32290537
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on April 13, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: BennyHarp on April 13, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on April 13, 2015, 02:53:47 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)

More than that they take players from anywhere to get a team
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: screenexile on April 13, 2015, 11:17:46 PM
You's are wild nosey up in Screen ;)

Takes a few days for the news to get up there too!  :)

More than that they take players from anywhere to get a team

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus you lads are no craic!!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on April 29, 2015, 11:20:13 AM
Can anyone shed any light on the seniors not using Garvaghy to train in anymore ahead of the championship, instead they are going around the club grounds and have been for the past while.
Someone had mentioned this to me a while back but i didnt give it anymore thought. So a multi million pound complex not being used?
The privacy argument (i.e. need for closed door sessions) doesnt stand up, Garvaghy is as concealed as they come with the back pitches well removed from the main area and access to outsiders could easily be blocked.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on April 29, 2015, 01:01:01 PM
Harte feels Garvaghy is too open and there are too many people around watchin them train, Clubs and club Tyrone members are now payin for Tyrone to hand over money to other clubs now like Dungannon and Drumragh last wk for there field so the county team could train on there patch..
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 29, 2015, 01:19:51 PM
Harte feels Garvaghy is too open and there are too many people around watchin them train, Clubs and club Tyrone members are now payin for Tyrone to hand over money to other clubs now like Dungannon and Drumragh last wk for there field so the county team could train on there patch..

Im not sure how acurate these reports are, but this sis one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
Tyrone build a multi million pound training complex, only to end up training in places like dungannon  :-\

Surely they can control who has access to garvaghy on training nights if thats the issue?

if the issue is that its too exposed and windy, anyone could have told you that before there was a spade in the ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: giveherlong on April 29, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
Definitely trained in Drumragh recently on a Thursday night
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on April 29, 2015, 06:07:40 PM
Most clubs would see it as an honour to host their county team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Scoring Zone on April 29, 2015, 07:27:17 PM
personally I think the issue of the place being far to windy (and bloody freezing) to conduct any sort of long game tactics (kick-passing, goal kicking etc). and the change of scene is probably welcomed, if not initiated by some of the players i would suspect.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 29, 2015, 07:28:54 PM
Most clubs would see it as an honour to host their county team.
Yeah but it's a pity we have nowhere central that all the county teams could use to train. If we could raise the money to build such a place I hope they build the main building so that it looks like a T from the sky. I think that would be cool
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 29, 2015, 09:13:13 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 29, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Well saying as you asked...
The gym at garvaghy is not fit for purpose,
There is no sports hall at the venue (Tyrone seniors go to a sports hall in Cookstown for fitness testing)
Tyrone hurlers turned up to train on the Wednesday of the 1st round of the under 21 Ulster championship and the caretaker didn't even bother to hang around to turn the lights on for them.
The site is possibly the windiest place in Tyrone.
But sure you keep telling us how well laid out the place is and how much money it is generating and the clubs will continue to pay for its upkeep and the county team will continue to look for alternative venues to train

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on April 29, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Garvaghy was an ill conceived ego trip
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: GlenMan on April 29, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise
Well saying as you asked...
The gym at garvaghy is not fit for purpose,
There is no sports hall at the venue (Tyrone seniors go to a sports hall in Cookstown for fitness testing)
Tyrone hurlers turned up to train on the Wednesday of the 1st round of the under 21 Ulster championship and the caretaker didn't even bother to hang around to turn the lights on for them.
The site is possibly the windiest place in Tyrone.
But sure you keep telling us how well laid out the place is and how much money it is generating and the clubs will continue to pay for its upkeep and the county team will continue to look for alternative venues to train

Let's face it. Garvaghey is a badly designed building. Because it's in a 'T', there is so much wasted space that can't be used for anything e.g. the excess space in the foyer, the poor gym, changing rooms being on the wrong side of the building. So many problems that shouldn't have occurred.

Wait 10-15 years for the trees around the perimeter to grow high and reduce some of that wind.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on April 30, 2015, 03:44:19 PM
Know for a fact that the pitches in garvaghy were been reseeded there a wile ago ahead of the summer months (like most club pitches are being also seeded around this time)

HOWEVER, im not 100% sure if this is for the reason of them not training there, they have defo trained in drumragh a few times over last month
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 30, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on April 30, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.

He is training which team?

By the way IMO Garvaghy is not good enough for purpose.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Gaffer on April 30, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
Maxi ????
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: time ticking away on April 30, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
have u been up at garvaghy? its actually very well laid out.both the building and the pitches.i wonder how much they made by hiring the pitches out, it was fully booked there all along for a few months.to many people knock the tyrone setup which is one the best run county boards about, both financially and playing wise

the gym is fit for purpose. there is a second weight room which not many know about
agree on a sports hall,im sure that is on the agenda
no lights for the hurlers-sums up the attiude to hurling in the county,nobody cares about it
changing rooms are spacious and ideally set at the back of the building with each having there own entrance meaning the main bulding can be locked up early.if there were at the front there would be nothing but grass and dirt all around the place
maxi was/is training the gaels in garvaghy and u couldn't have him snooping about when tyrone are training.also im sure u would get fed up going to the same place every night so good call to train in diferent grounds in the build upto Donegal game.minors u21s seniors all have had a lot of sessions done in garvaghy already this year.it is a success and so are tyrone.

He is training which team?

By the way IMO Garvaghy is not good enough for purpose.
I know it's not a good idea to assume but I assume redzone means maxi curran. If that is a correct assumption then redzone is wrong again. Curran trains St Eunans not the gaels (whoever they are), but sure when most of the post is wrong why should he get that bit right.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on April 30, 2015, 06:48:34 PM
sorry eunans.its half way for there dublin based players.was multi taskin whilst typing lol.listen nothing wrong with my post sure how can a opion be wrong or right.anyway good luck to the lads sat
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 01, 2015, 12:49:17 PM
I've heard that Maxi is training Eunans in Garvaghey too.

Anyhow, has anyone a squad picture of the 2001 U21 All Ireland winners?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 01, 2015, 12:56:06 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/077019/)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 03, 2015, 11:22:41 PM
Sorry Nrico.

Thanks but I meant 91. Doh.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: macca123 on May 12, 2015, 11:10:49 AM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 12, 2015, 11:14:49 AM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?

Given Mickey didn't experiment much with lineups or personnel over the course of the national league, I'd imagine there will be little surprises in the lineup.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 12, 2015, 01:57:34 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on what the line up will be this weekend?

Given Mickey didn't experiment much with lineups or personnel over the course of the national league, I'd imagine there will be little surprises in the lineup.

Think you might be surprised
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: God14 on May 13, 2015, 07:45:37 AM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 13, 2015, 12:17:37 PM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.

Do you think that will be the team or hope that will be the team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 13, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
I reckon Richie Donnelly will start in the half forwards, even though he is only in the panel a matter of weeks. Other than that I would imagine it will be pretty much the same as we have seen through the league

My guess:
M O'Neill
Mcnamee joey mccarron
Harte mcnabb mccrory
Colm justy
Mccann, Richie Don, Paud mcnulty
McCurry
Sean, matty Don

Was very worried about this game all year but conditions are nicely set for a Tyrone ambush. I think we will compete well.
A good start is critical.

Do you think that will be the team or hope that will be the team.

Is Mickey O'Neill still a part of the county squad?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Is McCarron not ineligible?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 13, 2015, 12:51:24 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Goals_Will_Come on May 13, 2015, 01:07:56 PM
1. Morgan. If anyway fit at all.
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Cathal McCarron
5. Ronan McNabb
6. Justin McMahon
7. Rory Brennan
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Cathal McShane
10. Mattie Donnelly
11. Darren McCurry
12. Peter Harte
13. Mark Bradley
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Conor McAliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Onthe40 on May 13, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
would be surprised if mcnulty didnt start..hes been one of the best performers in the league games we've played well in, has started pretty much every game if im correct and is one of our most powerful, stronger runners, who will be needed to break the Donegal defensive stranglehold
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 13, 2015, 02:43:42 PM
1. Niall Morgan
2. Aidan McCrory
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Cathal McCarron
5. Ronan McNabb
6. Justin McMahon
7. Peter Harte
8. Colm Cavanagh
9. Padraig McNulty
10. Cathal McShane
11. Mattie Donnelly
12. Darren McCurry
13. Ronan O'Neil
14. Sean Cavanagh
15. Conor McAliskey

My Predicted Team that will be choosen this wkend
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 13, 2015, 02:59:14 PM
Legoman, I like the look of that team but can't see him playing McCurry in the HF line.  Can't see how anybody can have Brennan over McGeary for WHB, although I can't see any of the two starting ahead of Harte or McNabb.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 13, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Is McGeary on the panel?
Naw same,pretty sure McNabb and Harte wont be left out and half back best position for both these players?
Brennan and McGeary bit raw yet but will def push for starting positions in the future,McGeary to be an outstanding future half back IMO and Brennan to fill in round the centre back position but needs to fill out a bit yet for senior county
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: nrico2006 on May 13, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Is McGeary on the panel?
Naw same,pretty sure McNabb and Harte wont be left out and half back best position for both these players?
Brennan and McGeary bit raw yet but will def push for starting positions in the future,McGeary to be an outstanding future half back IMO and Brennan to fill in round the centre back position but needs to fill out a bit yet for senior county

Aye, I could see Brennan being moulded for 6 but don't see him on the wing.  McGeary is made for it.  Not sure of the exact makeup of the panel at this stage, I would imagine that a lot of the u-21s are involved in the training games etc though.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 13, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
If I was picking the team for this Sunday
1 M O'Neill
2 R Mc Namee
3 Justin Mc Mahon
4 C Mc Carron
5 P Harte
6 M Donnelly
7 R Mc Nabb
8 C Cavanagh
9 P Mc Nulty
10 C Mc Shane
11 S Cavanagh
12 T Mc Cann
13 D Mc Curry
14 C Mc Aliskey
15 Joe Mc Mahon

This team would play the same type of game plan Tyrone are playing. Justy would pick up Murphy Mc Namee would pick up Mc Brearty Joe would drop back in and play sweeper as would the half forward line leaving the two main scoring threats inside the 45 to do the damage. Mc Aliskey Joe Mc Curry can all kick dead balls off the ground from 50 yards out Big Sean also can kick frees so no need for morgan in that regard also Mickey is a more physical presence in the defensive goal.

Probably be nowhere near the team hence i'm not the Tyrone manager. Just a bit of craic.

Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: ose 14 on May 13, 2015, 05:18:28 PM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 08:18:37 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.

Ah right. Good man. McCarron has had an impressive return.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2015, 08:20:43 PM
Don't hear Michael Cassidy getting many mentions on here. I think in the few games I seen him he'll be a powerful player.

Not yet but could be blooded very soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 13, 2015, 10:19:31 PM
Norf Tyrone, a player who transfers back to his home county (or 'first county' as the rule book states) is not subject to the same ruling as someone who leaves their home county for another. This means McCarron is able to play.

Ah right. Good man. McCarron has had an impressive return.
and from all those who thought it was Mickey pulling the championship forward to suit the return the silence is deafening...
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 14, 2015, 07:09:02 AM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.

I cant believe that you think there is ANY chance of Harte calling up Hampsey!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Mikhailov on May 14, 2015, 07:29:04 AM
think mickey o neill will start for morgan who remains doubtful and richard donnelly will start in place of mccann. joe will hardly start if he does that would tell me all i need to know about this current set up. sean cavnagh is a huge doubt as well. cant believe that hamsey hasnt been called up.

I cant believe that you think tehre is ANY chance of Harte calling up Hampsey!

Agree 100% - there is NO chance of Hampshey getting a call up to senior squad when MH is in charge. IMO he is worth a go as we need a couple of specialist defenders in the full back line and both Ruairi Mullan and he should be given a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Legoman5 on May 14, 2015, 07:53:07 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 08:36:11 AM
Talk of Morgan starting out the pitch this weekend  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on May 14, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!

Why wouldn't Hampsey get a call up under Mickey Harte?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: youhavenofans on May 14, 2015, 10:04:34 AM
Hampsey will never be called up under Harte!
Previously Des Tracey was in the same boat, won All Ireland with the U21s, went on to have an incident in a match against Mark Harte and then that was it, finished top scorer in Div 1 for 3 years on the bounce and was one around the county to be one of the best club players in the county and a dead ball expert and still I dont think even got a trial!

Why wouldn't Hampsey get a call up under Mickey Harte?

Dont shoot the messenger, but i think most people are talking about the hanlon in coalisland last year in the league game near the end of the year when petey harte and paudi were fighting
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on May 14, 2015, 10:45:24 AM
No additional players  have been called up as yet, this will probably happen after club championship first round.

On the team I'm not sure about what side will line up but Conor Clarke will start and pick up Murphy, I'd be pretty sure of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Fuzzman on May 14, 2015, 11:15:06 AM
I forgot all about big Clarke. How is he playing for Omagh?
He did ok on Murphy before didn't he?
Maybe play him, Sean and Joey at FF to try something new. Only messing. Can never see Mickey do that.

Can anyone tell me something about Richard Donnelly. Being down in Dublin with 10 kids I don't know much about the club scene any more back home.
Where does he play and is he any good?

That's a disgrace if Mickey is not picking a good player just for personal reasons but I am not surprised by Mr Stubborn.
Will be interesting to see the reaction at the Club Tyrone event tonight when  Mickey names the team. I believe he gets very uncomfortable about people asking him questions about why he picked certain players
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 11:34:50 AM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Under Lights on May 14, 2015, 11:41:26 AM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

Like England cricket with KP I think any manager would be completely in the wrong in your instance. The best managers are able to manage that situation. When United won the treble in 1999 their forward line Cole and Sherringham weren't speaking. They never got on and at times it got heated. Ferguson, as much as it pains me, was able to manage this situation and use it as a positive driver for the team.


Cricket reference on the Tyrone Gaa county thread  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: TF15 on May 14, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
I don't think that has stopped his appearance in the panel to date. The U21 run has really pushed him into the reckoning, beforehand there wasn't too many calls for Paudi to get called up. When players are called in then judgements can be made. Right now people are looking another reason to Mickey bash based on what they think will happen.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 14, 2015, 12:00:40 PM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

cant be any more discourse than there is between mc carron and some players on the current panel yet he was brought back
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Soup an Samajiz on May 14, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
well that's it as ye say, maybe Hampsey's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club boi on May 14, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
I know, call up Hampsey (Great Player) & DROP Petey (Over Rated) Harte #Simples
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 14, 2015, 08:07:38 PM
Do people know for a fact that hampsey isn't picked because of an incident last year or is this similar to the claims that mickey Harte was forcing the club games forward so McCarron could play? Peter Harte has been one of best players for Tyrone this year, was that comment a joke?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: trileacman on May 15, 2015, 11:19:08 AM
ach it would be a disgrace if he wasn't picking them for personal reasons yes, but at the same time there are practicalities to think of, if their relationship is totally broken down from the start and there's obviously severe discourse between hampsey and current panelists its very understandable, would just absolute recipe for disaster in the changing room, manager's job to weigh up the pros and cons and with all that's went on I'd say its fair enough decision

Like England cricket with KP I think any manager would be completely in the wrong in your instance. The best managers are able to manage that situation. When United won the treble in 1999 their forward line Cole and Sherringham weren't speaking. They never got on and at times it got heated. Ferguson, as much as it pains me, was able to manage this situation and use it as a positive driver for the team.


Cricket reference on the Tyrone Gaa county thread  8)

Jimmy McG and Kevin Cassidy: fell out over a chapter in a book, a f**king book. Still only one man was vindicated a year later and it wasnt the man it should've been.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 15, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
What does everyone think of the team?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 17, 2015, 09:03:11 AM
Have a feeling tyrone can do a job today.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on May 17, 2015, 07:32:07 PM
the last ulster championship game today for the two mickeys?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: longballin on May 17, 2015, 07:54:20 PM
Mickey Harte and Mickey Moynagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redzone on May 17, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
the last ulster championship game today for the two mickeys?

has to be mick McCaughey and mick mcgoldrick. sick of lookin at them
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 17, 2015, 09:06:45 PM
Red zone you aren't wrong. Michael McCaughey running after Joe McQuillan at the end was a joke. He'd need to be told to carry the water or whatever it is he does and stay out of the f**king road. McGoldrick no better, stuck in the middle of the half time handbags.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Bo Man on May 17, 2015, 09:19:46 PM
mccaughey and mcgoldrick should have had the head carried off them. the county board should send the two of them up the road. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: redhandefender on May 18, 2015, 10:53:13 AM
What is that mc goldrick tool doing on the pitch with the teams anyway? All kitted out in tyrone team gear. He is a second rate part time caretaker at garvaghey. Embarassing
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: The Bearded One on May 18, 2015, 12:32:07 PM
Just looking at a picture of the half time scuffle in the paper - both Michael's stuck in the middle of that as well. What need for those 2 to be going anywhere near the dressing room at half time anyway?? They should be sitting over in the dugout until the teams come back out. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: winghalfback on May 18, 2015, 04:47:09 PM
Anyone who is a regular attender at club games in Tyrone senior football will know how good Mickey O'Neill is. An ever consistent presence in the goal for his club side and after yesterday's performance the whole country knows how good he is. Question is though will Harte keep him in goals for the next game or revert back to his favoured Morgan?
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 18, 2015, 04:50:39 PM
Mickey O'Neills display reminded me of big Finbarr at his shop stopping best.  We have 2 very good goalkeepers at the moment, but O Neills display yesterday makes him undroppable for the next match. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Club Rossa on May 18, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
Surely Mickey can't drop O'Neill for the next game.He was excellent yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: lenny on May 18, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
Surely Mickey can't drop O'Neill for the next game.He was excellent yesterday.

With most people saying this is going to be Harte's last year will the Tyrone RTE ban continue next year. Tyrone continue to get very negative comments by the RTE panellists and this will continue for as long as the boycott keeps going.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: rrhf on May 19, 2015, 06:03:58 AM
Goes back to 80s time. Say it whatever way you will but it  has its roots in anti northern partition friendly sources. In brollys case where a little knowledge can be such a danger, I'd say the guys are laughing at getting a northern nationalist to attack the gaa set up here. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
Jimmy McGuinness's analyse of the game


http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-column-mature-donegal-display-could-herald-a-new-era-1.2217272


The most pertinent part for me is :

Tyrone are so well coached and are patient and their running game worked. Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly were terrific. They played with a lot of width and retained possession well. But they lacked a point of reference at the top of their attack. I thought that could have been another string to their bow.

The Donegal defenders knew that they were facing a running game all the time and prepared for that.

We've been running into a brick wall for 5 years now - if the man won't change then it's time to change the man.




Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 11:30:57 AM
To be honest TCM and in Mickey's defence he showed great confidence and trust in giving our U21 Cathal McShane (MOM in All Ireland U21 final) that role in the game.  On watching Cathal's super U21 performances and most likely his training he probably warranted his position.  We talk about giving the young lads their chance to mature and no doubt Cathal would have learned alot from the game on Sunday.  I certainly wouldnt be knocking Mickey or for making this bold decision nor pour negativity on our youth.  Its a decision that can go either way.  I can refer you back to Davy Fitz's decision in 2013 All Ireland Hurling Final when Clare U21 Shane O'Donnell replaced Honan hours before the game.  Tyrone are maybe lacking one killer spearhead forward ( Sean Cavanagh cant play in every position).  I certainly wouldnt go knocking Mickey on that decision!  Cathal's performance could have went either way,  but he will have learned a great deal from Sunday and I'm certain this will be invaluable come the qualifers.  Tyrone has a great opportunity now.  They can introduce their U21's during the qualifiers and make a good run on the AI series from here.  I think they are in a good position given the performance on Sunday past. 
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
I agree with you Sunny Day re Cathal and Ruairi Brennan - they will have learnt so much from the game against Donegal and hopefully more of the U-21s will get blooded over the summer. My main gripe is with the tactics. There is no variation in our play. For 10 minutes in the second half it might just have been worth having Sean and Mattie in full forward and launching it on top of them. The one thing it might have done is forced the Donegal defence further back so you might have had more room to run at them. As Jimmy McGuinness said they knew that Tyrone were going to run at them all day. The running game will work against the lesser counties but it has been proved over the last 5 years that it doesn't against top 8 counties. We haven't taken a major scalp in 5 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: LeoMc on May 19, 2015, 12:35:22 PM
I thought there was a bit more variety and tactical than we had seen recently.
The long ball from which Colm hit the cross bar had been tried earlier with a ball dropped in on McNulty. A bit like the move for McCurrys goal it looked like something which had been worked on in training but was to be used sparingly.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: Sunny Day on May 19, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
TCM - I'm supportive of your point -  You can refer back to a post I made after the Tyrone Donegal league game regarding a tactic that Tyrone should adopt.  If they have a skilful, tall, strong full forward it could reap rewards especially against the blanket defence situation.  A swift counter attack coming down the wings and launching a high diagional ball into the scoring zone would test any full back,  but in particular Donegals Full Back Line.  The problem being Tyrone needs Sean Cavanagh and Mattie doing the hard work in the middle third. Catch 22.  As I say, we lack 1 spearhead forward.  Daniel McNulty might be the makings of one.  Maybe if Conor Clarke, Joe McMahon, Cathal McShane gets some more game time it could free up Sean C or Mattie D to take up a new role.  Would also like to see Richard Donnelly get some game time in the qualifiers.  Pity that fella Kyle Coney didnt stick with it,  he might have been able to present another option.  He seemed to pull the plug very early in the year when in actual fact he was on the starting team.
Title: Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
Post by: tc_manchester on May 19, 2015, 01:08:32 PM
I thought there was a bit m