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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: April 21, 2018, 11:13:34 PM »
For someone of 28 years old he suffered some bad health. According to articles excess drinking caused a good part of it. He must have done some amount of drinking. I have never heard of someone so young suffer so badly through alcohol. I have heard of older people but 28 is very young for that.

Amy Winehouse?

He actually lasted longer than the '27 Club'. Amy was one of those.
Pancreatitis would suggest an awful lot of drink. However I know lads that were in a bad way with that several years ago and are now in rude good health.

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General discussion / Re: The Late Late show
« on: April 21, 2018, 10:57:15 PM »
Cripes! Seamus Shannon was the music at my wedding back in the day.

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General discussion / Re: Nicest Towns in Ireland
« on: April 19, 2018, 11:28:38 PM »
Ballycastle, Co. Mayo. Beach, cliffs, archaeology, birdwatching, walking, whalewatching and a wonderful café at the bottom of the hill.


Not many jobs up there unfortunately though. A friend of mine living in killala has a young son (~10) who plays with Naomh Eoin (or Pádraig)? Anyway, it's an underage amalgamation of 3-4 clubs, doesn't bode well for those clubs in north Mayo

Ah yeah. There are no jobs there. Secondary school closed down 20 yrs ago as well. When you take kids out of a town, you take the soul out of a community. Garda station, I suspect, is gone too. The football clubs are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Ballycastle had Tom Langan on the Team of the Millennium. Unreal to see his portrait on the wall in their tiny dressing rooms. They also had a player on the 36 AI team. The whole of rural North Mayo is football heartland but with depopulation it is very difficult to keep the show on the road. Amalgamations the only way but that is never without issues as well.
 The area is spectacular though. Anytime I'm ever around Downpatrick Head (I try to visit regularly to do same bird pics.), there are always numbers of people there. One time a lad was running a mobile chipper there.
 As regards tourism, I think there are people locally looking at ways to get people to stay around North Mayo for a few days.

What do you do about that though? You cant force them to stay.

I meant the kids were bussed out and educated elsewhere because the local school was considered inefficient due to falling numbers. Schools in Mayo have been educating kids for migration/emigration forever. It's nice for a rural town to have them about for a while though. Once the school shut the tumbleweed effect kicked in.


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General discussion / Re: Nicest Towns in Ireland
« on: April 19, 2018, 11:11:06 PM »
Ballycastle, Co. Mayo. Beach, cliffs, archaeology, birdwatching, walking, whalewatching and a wonderful café at the bottom of the hill.


Not many jobs up there unfortunately though. A friend of mine living in killala has a young son (~10) who plays with Naomh Eoin (or Pádraig)? Anyway, it's an underage amalgamation of 3-4 clubs, doesn't bode well for those clubs in north Mayo

Ah yeah. There are no jobs there. Secondary school closed down 20 yrs ago as well. When you take kids out of a small town, you take the soul out of a community. Garda station, I suspect, is gone too. The football clubs are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Ballycastle had Tom Langan on the Team of the Millennium. Unreal to see his portrait on the wall in their tiny dressing rooms. They also had a player on the 36 AI team. The whole of rural North Mayo is football heartland but with depopulation it is very difficult to keep the show on the road. Amalgamations the only way but that is never without issues as well.
 The area is spectacular though. Anytime I'm ever around Downpatrick Head (I try to visit regularly to do same bird pics.), there are always numbers of people there. One time a lad was running a mobile chipper there.
 As regards tourism, I think there are people locally looking at ways to get people to stay around North Mayo for a few days.

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General discussion / Re: Nicest Towns in Ireland
« on: April 19, 2018, 06:43:06 PM »

Nice to live beside a town that has been mentioned a few times. In fact it could have been listed in the previous thread as well!!

A couple of my own favourite smaller villages.

Ballycastle, Co. Mayo. Beach, cliffs, archaeology, birdwatching, walking, whalewatching and a wonderful café at the bottom of the hill.

Easkey, Co. Sligo. Surfing, fishing and a wondeful area to walk and cycle. Loads of space for camper vans along the shore. Pints for 3.50 and 4.00.

Both are underdeveloped - but that is not a bad thing imo.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: April 18, 2018, 01:34:08 AM »
Barbara Bush. RIP

Read earlier that she refused any more medical intervention. In her 90s.

Must be a first. Wife and mother of American Presidents?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« on: April 18, 2018, 01:30:14 AM »
There are a couple of things have been eating away at me for a few days.

The first one is that if this trial had involved two Leinster or Munster players and we had the same trial outcome in Dublin or Limerick, with the case heard in camera, the public would be none the wiser and you can be sure they would have resumed their careers with barely a word said. This case has certainly made me wonder about sports stars unexplained absences or injuries that last longer than they seemingly should!

The other thing that was eating at me was the incident involving two very high profile Munster players a couple of years ago that saw a video emerge before the story (and video) was buried and the incident swept under the carpet. The same players are lauded now and their morals haven't been discussed or called into question. There was no hint that their activities on the night in question were anything other than consensual I should add.

That is a huge difference though. There was more than a hint of non- consensual in the Ulster case. A girl reported she had been raped and was prepared to go through a terrible trial ordeal, when it would have been easier to walk away.
That is now being forgotten of course and the emphasis is back on the legends and their future careers.
 Rugby is a small enough world. I doubt they will have much luck getting a gig anywhere else tbh. French clubs have standards too and Macron is backing reviews about age of consent and consent in general. The Frenchies might be laissez-faire about sex/adultery/ age, but they are not into non-consensual sex - or any hint of it. They are classier than that.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: April 18, 2018, 12:52:41 AM »
Longford, Cavan and Monaghan seems to be the cowboy music heartland.

You forgot Tyrone.


Fermanagh is hardly much different..

Is this kind of music a catholic only thing up the north? Or is it cross- curricular?

What?

I think he means do Protestants listen to that kind of music as well   :o
Exactly. Well? Do they? Do the protestants flock to Hugo Duncan, Philomena etc. as well? I dunno? But I am serious about this?
 

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:19:41 PM »
Longford, Cavan and Monaghan seems to be the cowboy music heartland.

You forgot Tyrone.
Fermanagh is hardly much different..

Is this kind of music a catholic only thing up the north? Or is it cross- curricular?


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General discussion / Re: Running
« on: April 17, 2018, 03:32:34 PM »
Saw that... Some of the elite women were running in ponchos!

My missus did Boston yesterday. 2celcius at start before factoring in wind chill and sleet showers. Friend of mine did it and collapsed. Hypothermia. Ok after a spell in hospital + drip. Sounds like a tough one.

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« on: April 16, 2018, 11:20:32 PM »
Quote from Shane Logan below:

"We have done a lot of good work with players in terms of role modelling and we have got to keep building in that, reviewing on that to reduce the chances of players making bad decisions in future," he said.

They have clearly not done enough.  Given that both players were brought through the Academy from a formative age, I think it's interesting how Ulster Rugby are not prepared to take any responsibility for the development of the charactor of players such as Jackson and Olding. If they had, perhaps they may be more open to the old-fashioned idea of giving someone a second chance.

The problem lies with the issue of having an 'Academy' in that it is based on selecting the elite, taking them apart from their peers and giving them the belief that they are special.  A recipe for disaster.

I dunno. I think it is unfair to blame an 'Academy' for wayward behaviour of young adults in their private lives. At the end of the day the responsibility is with the individual. Should the families of those lads - that supported them to the hilt during the trial - be blamed. I don't think so either.

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« on: April 15, 2018, 12:28:56 AM »
They cant be sacked for taking part in a threesome, therefore their private messages got them sacked. Surprised Gilroy was treated differently. Should every employee now be cautious over what they text or whatsapp as it could get you in bother with your employers?

Well yes, if you’ve a professional job like health service (doctor, nurse) or teaching or something along those lines you may find that you could be in murky waters

I doubt it. The messages only came into play when they were accused of rape.

As regards teaching. Arrested for a row in a chipper could be enough for a dismissal. Even if there was no conviction. A rape accusation -forget about. Even if you were aquitted.

These are the broad guidelines for dismissal for 'social' behaviour.

Complaints about certain matters that relate to conduct outside the course of a registered teacher’s profession on grounds such as convictions for certain offences, and where the conduct is of such a serious nature as would bring the profession into disrepute.


 Complaint against a registered teacher can relate to any school-related professional activity, or any activity or role undertaken in their capacity as a registered teacher.



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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« on: April 14, 2018, 04:13:42 PM »

I wonder how many people would actually keep their careers if caught up in an episode like this?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:26:12 PM »

Dara Florence’s version of what she saw in the bedroom flatly contradicted the complainant’s version.
It did no such thing.

It flatly contradicted Jackson.

If you believe Florence, you believe Jackson lied about having vaginal sex with the complainant.
I do, sid I sure do.
But I also said, that what the defence has to say is/was immaterial. It was up to the prosecution to prove its case and they didn't.


(BTW, when you calm down a bit, you will find that Florence contradicted both parties.)
Indeed DF's evidence contradicted both accounts,  but a small retriever for the prosecution, when at the end of her testimony she admitted she did not actually witness consent, it was just an impression.

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You either accept the rule of law or you don't.
That's too black and white.
Accept the jury's decision, yes, 100% on the evidence presented in court  but i don't accept the legal procedure, i think this belfast courtroom and legal procedure was a toxic environment. The witness for the prosecution who also happens to be the complainant gets little protection in comparison to what the accused receive. Perhaps she gets treated a little better over the course of the proceedings than a snitch at a mafia mob boss trial, but not much better. I like what Noeline Blackwell the civil rights lawyer had to say about aspects of the imbalances,  eg. that the complainant should get the benefit of  having her own legal counsel, before in preparation for the what may transpire and also during the case with full rights  to intervene on her behalf in court. And that trial should be private, normal enough stuff i'd say.

She had plenty legal advice before the trial and the girl came across as a very intellectual young adult with great responses for the questioning. As for the snitch remark, I’m confused? Did you want her to be visible ? She was under no pressure from the court as no one could see her, and going by the #metoo group she had plenty supporting her

That is completely inaccurate MR2. Everybody could see her. Her testimony was up on a big screen for everybody to see. Day-trippers went from as far as way as Dublin for a look. She gave her version only able to see Judge, jury and lawyers. On screen everybody could see her. How bad is that.
 The supporters of the accused dominated in the gallery as well and reports indicate that she was ridiculed all through he testimony and the layout of the courtroom appeared to have allowed that to happen without the Judge being aware of it and not clearing the court, which should have happened in those circumstances. It was 3/1 on the night and 4/1 in court.
 Not having her own legal council present is an issue too. Defence council played a blinder and bullied the judge over the admissibility of some evidence. I'm still intrigued as to whom the blood stains came from that were from a third party? How could that not be relevant?
 The girl got justice but I cant help thinking about animals that hop around the outback in Australia.

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