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Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.

Durcan marked McManamon in the drawn AIF last year and Andrews in the replay. Held them both scoreless while getting forward well himself. Would be the ideal type of marker for O'Donoghue IMO.

Good point. Christ! it would wreck your head!.

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Harrison marking Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy and Durcan on JO'D - don't think Barrett would have the pace for him. Half back line of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins. Boyle on the bench for this one is harsh on him but 7 backs into 6 positions doesn't go. Playing backs as forwards hasn't worked for us before so I would avoid that.

We'll need savage work rate from the middle 8 players to put pressure on the ball going in. No full back in the country will out field Donaghy if Moran et al can pick their passes freely.

Play boyle wing back, higgins sweeper?

We would then presumably leave out Doherty or DO'C which would reduce our shooting options as they are both good for a score or 2 per game. It would be letting the Kerry defence off lightly as Higgins' shooting is much more wayward.

In any case, we'll need good backs, like Boyle, coming on in the second half to counter Kerry's bench.

Can't leave out Doherty, Diarmuid O Connor or Boyle. What it boils down to is Vaughan or Keegan. Unless you drop Seamie or Tom and play Keegan in midfield and Vaughan at full back. Or the other way around.
 I can't imagine how Boyle would be able to counter Kerry's bench. Boyle has been our best leader for years. Need him on pitch and for as long as possible. Madness to drop him.

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Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.

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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.

As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.

O'Donoghue?

What about him?

Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy  if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D

Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan,  then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
 Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.

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This nonsense about conditioning needs do stop - lads are in good shape, and the newer lads will invariably improve in that regard as the years go by. All I saw on Monday was a young team that got rattled early and had no response. After the first goal there was quite literally nothing that could be reflective of what will happen the next time the teams meet.

Time is on our side - it definitely isn't in Mayo's favour.

Seriously Sy. it's shite like that, that drives people away from this discussion board.

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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.

Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.

Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.

Mayo have done enough in their big games in the past few years to win those matches and Sam itself. The reason they haven't is they've imploded on themselves at key moments. All their failings have been internal failings which they can address but up to they've seemed to look to blaming external factors.

That said all the tactics in the world wont change 2 own goals in all ireland final, last minute frees to win / equalise etc

Tactics can't legislate for bent refs like McEneaney or Reilly either.

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Mayo came out all guns blazing and were 0-6 up before Roscommon got the score back to 06-02.

Then once the goals came 3 goals in 4 minutes, it was game over.

Ref might as well have blown then because that's all Roscommon were waiting for.

Roscommon were beyond awful today - gave Mayo oceans of time and space when Mayo had the ball, on those occasions when a Roscommon player had the ball, it seemed as if the rest of the Roscommon team were playing statues - not just the forwards but everywhere on the pitch, they was zero movement whatsoever in terms of offering the player in possession options (this was especially the case for the keeper with kickouts) As such I don't know if I'd be giving Mayo huge amounts of credit in terms of "putting pressure" on the Roscommon kickouts, it was more a case of Roscommon putting pressure on the Roscommon kickouts , they were so poor.

Last time i seen Mayo getting oceans of time and space when on the ball in Croke Park was against a hung over All Ireland Donegal winning team in 2013. Roscommon much like Armagh on Saturday didn't seem to have the conditioning to produce two competitive Croke park performances in a row. Easy pickings for both Tyrone and Mayo but how good both are won't be known until after the semi finals.

Agree, we wont have a clue how good Dublin or Kerry are before they get a game in the semis. Neither have got a game yet but Kerry at least will get one in the semis.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: August 03, 2017, 04:26:43 PM »

Robert Hardy, 91 - Siegfried Farnon.
Also a conservationist and long bow expert.

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I thought the Roscommon GAA statement on the booing was ill-advised. If I were them I would have ignored it, while in my heart I would have thought "our boys will boo whomever they f**king like, actually." This Nice-Guy-Eddie schtick only gets you so far.

Damned if I can figure out what'll happen the next day. I believe McStay said his pet cat could have predicted Mayo's team on Sunday. It must be some cat when it saw Parsons dropped for either Paddy Durcan or Jason Doherty.

The booing thing was not just Andy. Where I was, Mayo were booed coming out at the start and after half time - let them belt away would be my attitude. Didn't bother me. Maybe Roscommon GAA are the only ones that maybe should be concerned about it. Why bother though. Galway, Sligo and others have done the same to us in the past when they thought they were going to screw us, when we were in decline.
 Parsons wasn't dropped and Durcan and Doherty are two of our most important players. Both had very good games and are in decent form.

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GAA Discussion / Re: County Manager Merry go round
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:41:08 AM »
Rochford is dead man walking  and McStay will be on thin ice also unless they beat Mayo in replay. Walsh in Galway as well is cooked. Very well done. As a manager you get your shot and that's it. Lucky managers have won AIs - wrong man in right place at the right time. Good managers have not - better team/s about.

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From the sounds of things, a dummy team. Rochford ain't fooling anyone. The differing approaches to announcing the teams is interesting in itself.

Ah, in the Modern era team sheets mean little or nothing. They are there to keep the program printers happy! And for the fading Newspapers to make stories up about! In time players will have a squad number and the team will be named before throw in.

Apart from Davy Murray's stomach bug in the lead up to the Leitrim game and Compton's injury in training before the Galway game our week-in-advance team sheets have been totally accurate. He's named his team and it's up to the opposition to try and stop them, to me that shows quite a bit f confidence and forethought. McStay doesn't fck about with announcing dummy teams or nonsense like that. He doesn't play the Rochy/Emmo/Smiling Jim media game of dull platitudes either.

There's a lot to like about how McStay handles himself, things other managers might do well to take note of. There's a reason the panel respects him as much as they do.

There's going to be a lot of soul-searching in Mayo if a McStay is the one who closes this chapter of Mayo football. A boxer never sees the end coming until it's too late.

Soul-searching. Not among the ordinary folk there wont be. McStay was blackguarded (twice) by the Mayo executive but the ordinary fan had nothing to do with that intrigue. It might be different in other parts of the county but there is great respect for Batman and Robin where I come from and that would only increase if they pull the rug from under Mayo on Sunday.
 Will that happen? I wouldn t be a bit surprised. Ros. have as good a cut at it as Derry, Clare or Cork did. And if Ros. do finish us - well it may as well be them as anybody else. When you're finished its the finishing that counts not who puts you on your hole. Finished off by Ros. would be no different now than finished by Kerry, Dublin or Tyrone.

It should be firstly noted that you come from the brothers' area of the woods. The abuse they're getting on sites like Mayo Banter, Silly Hoe's blog and boards.ie/Hogan Stand is there for all to see.

People are still trying to convince themselves overlooking them was the right choice when each passing year makes it seem like a miss every bit as big as Horan putting Kevin Keane on Murphy, subbing out Alan Freeman or Rochford starting Hennelly last year. Frankly, I'm just happy the people in my county finally see we have a decent management and that there's no chance of any autumn amateur dramatics this year.

Losing to Roscommon would be no different? The vitriol spewing from the usual excitable Mayo supporters this week indicate the opposite. It's one thing to die fighting the giants of the sport, but to do it on 'your' stage against the lowly neighbours? That will hurt and no amount of spin by the most biased supporters will change that. I can tell you it very much matters to the Mayo Rossies in Ballagh that we're put in our place on Sunday. They care because there's something more on the line than just passage to an AISF. All that pride and confidence accumulated from the last 16 years can be wiped out in an instant on Sunday.

Roscommon can deal with losing to Mayo. I'm not sure the opposite is true.

Mayo Banter, Silly Hoe's blog! WTF is that.
Look Sy. Losing or winning next Sunday for either team doesn't mean an awful lot unless a person has the mind of a newt. Whoever wins have to bring a realistic game into the semi. The loser slinks away and regroups. As a Mayo man I've accepted losing to Roscommon in the past + Sligo + Galway+ Leitrim + Fermanagh + Longford + Westmeath etc. That's sport. Anyway why would you bother looking at those banter's and blogs? Silly stuff. If Mayo lose to Ros, I can deal with it, no problem. It will be easier to deal with than the loses we have had to likes of Meath, Cork, Kerry and Dublin in finals and semis down the years. Roscommon should have a different mindset also going forward. Beating Mayo is not the be all. Loads of teams beat Mayo.

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Team named

David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Ger Cafferkey (Ballina Stephenites)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Conor Loftus (Crossmolina)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)

Loftus wont start - Doherty will.
Parsons wont play.
Durcan probably will start.
I wouldn t be surprised if Caff. starts again even though he is all at sea last while.
Maybe DOC goes midfield for this now.

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From the sounds of things, a dummy team. Rochford ain't fooling anyone. The differing approaches to announcing the teams is interesting in itself.

Ah, in the Modern era team sheets mean little or nothing. They are there to keep the program printers happy! And for the fading Newspapers to make stories up about! In time players will have a squad number and the team will be named before throw in.

Apart from Davy Murray's stomach bug in the lead up to the Leitrim game and Compton's injury in training before the Galway game our week-in-advance team sheets have been totally accurate. He's named his team and it's up to the opposition to try and stop them, to me that shows quite a bit f confidence and forethought. McStay doesn't fck about with announcing dummy teams or nonsense like that. He doesn't play the Rochy/Emmo/Smiling Jim media game of dull platitudes either.

There's a lot to like about how McStay handles himself, things other managers might do well to take note of. There's a reason the panel respects him as much as they do.

There's going to be a lot of soul-searching in Mayo if a McStay is the one who closes this chapter of Mayo football. A boxer never sees the end coming until it's too late.

Soul-searching. Not among the ordinary folk there wont be. McStay was blackguarded (twice) by the Mayo executive but the ordinary fan had nothing to do with that intrigue. It might be different in other parts of the county but there is great respect for Batman and Robin where I come from and that would only increase if they pull the rug from under Mayo on Sunday.
 Will that happen? I wouldn t be a bit surprised. Ros. have as good a cut at it as Derry, Clare or Cork did. And if Ros. do finish us - well it may as well be them as anybody else. When you're finished its the finishing that counts not who puts you on your hole. Finished off by Ros. would be no different now than finished by Kerry, Dublin or Tyrone.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Clare v Mayo Round 3A Qualifier
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:48:20 AM »
This game will most likely see out this core group of players,i really hope our brilliant support can show tjem appreciation in defeat. A massive thunderous clap when its over in a big grma to the lads for the massive gallant effort theyve put in these last few years.

Now, now, Larry! This is not the time to be going all sentimental and all.We can lose on Saturday. I'd be less scary cat than the Derry game and I can see it going a few ways really. I know damn all about Clare, but like last Saturday, I expect this will also come down to what Mayo are about. If we fart around again it could be close again and we could lose it - yeah. Management has to make sure we don't do the same messing. They had their wake-up call. I'd give them a pass on the Galway game because they couldn t legislate for Higgins and the conditions.
 When the core of this team eventually shuffle off, I don't think a clap will be much consolation though Larry. Not what they played for. Anyway, like in the past, this group of players will drip away one after another like others before them. As another poster said on a different thread some time ago - Mayo players don't retire, they just don't get selected anymore. The rule is, if you haven't a few AI medals you cant retire. You just get dropped or piss off.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: July 02, 2017, 08:55:01 PM »
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No, it seems according to you. Sure twas all the sending off, sure twill be grand the next day when we play with the full 15, twill be alright on the night

All but 4 Mayo posters are deluded here Blast.

Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year.

At least Rochford made some changes. Speed in the forwards is still our problem.

The cause of poor shooting is that we are shooting under pressure as we aren't quick enough or don't have the skill levels to take on our markers .

Agree. You usually find that if a team's approach work is good - good quick offloads and support running and putting a man into space around the scoring area - the scores come. Also getting the most accurate players taking on the shots. One of the problems playing Coen and Vaughan at 10/12 is that they are likely to be on the end of things and taking shots on. Their susses rate is what. 50% at best from relatively easy chances. Doherty, McLoughlin (even if he had a nightmare shooting yesterday) and Diarmuid better options in those positions in every way imo. 
 If we go with Seamie and Tom in midfield we are going to struggle to get pace and balance into the forwards. You need to go with 6 from Doc, Diarmuid , Andy, Cillian, Loftus, Kevin Mac and Aidan.
Personally I d go with;
                                         Seamie         Parsons
                                   Kevin Mac   Cillian      Diarmuid
                                                     Aidan
                                           Andy            Loftus

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