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Ireland are always a dour watch.Even with a first choice team out.
We play dour direct long ball football that's horrible to watch but seem to grind out enough results to be there or thereabouts as regards qualification for most tournaments.
That's Irish football & has been for most of my time watching the Irish team.
Getting to the stage now for the first time where I am beginning to think about not bothering watching the games anymore.
It's just so hard to watch that style of football.

I'd say it's alway's been that way. Don't know how long you've been watching though. The difference now between how top club sides play and international teams play is more marked than it used to be. Back in the day we were not exposed to likes of Barcelona that much either. And we only saw likes of Zico, Socrates, Maradonna every four years. So an Irish, English, Scottish game would not be much different than watching Liverpool, Leeds, etc. on MOTD. Tackles, crosses (often from closer  half way line than corner flag) passes back to keeper when they could pick them up etc. Really it is all about a result and qualification.
 I admit I struggle with it as well though. Saipan did something to me I'm afraid. I still cant get my head around how something like that could have happened.

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Are we going to get a walkover on Sunday....  ;D

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Excellent! Looks like we're just playing Carndonagh and Malin Head.

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GAA Discussion / Re: So what do ye think of the black card rule now?
« on: March 28, 2017, 11:01:33 PM »
Was speaking to a well known inter county referee tonight and he reckons the black card is here to stay for the long term. Get used to it lads and lassies

I've no problem with the black card. It's the referees that seem to have the biggest problem getting used to it and implementing it consistently. And that is just any individual referee over different games, let along all refs. singing off the same hymn sheet.
 It's becoming like rugby where different refs. referee the scrum and the breakdown differently and players adjust how they play to what they think the referee is going to punish or allow.

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GAA Discussion / Re: So what do ye think of the black card rule now?
« on: March 28, 2017, 10:24:56 PM »
The Black card was approved at Congress 3 or 4 months before the Cavanagh foul.
Why do people keep saying it was introduced because of Cavanagh ? ??
Maybe because it was the foul that black cards were supposed to punish. Not a lazy tackle or a tackle where a player feels hands on him and dives to the ground.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Can the Dubs do the 3 in a row?
« on: March 28, 2017, 10:18:19 PM »
Yes.

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What is the major gripes Mayo fans have with Reilly's refereeing performance that day?

Obviously Enright should certainly have gone after about 20 minutes when he gave the penalty away and Donaghy got a few very soft frees but were there more major incidents he got wrong?

Obviously there are genuine grievances there but it wasn't the biggest shafting by a ref I've seen. Reilly also wouldn't be the first referee Kerry have played like a fiddle down the year, there's nothing even subtle in it but we're not allowed talk about it.

You ve pretty much answered it there your self Bomber.
The biggest shafting is in the eye of the beholder of course but I think we've been on the end of a couple of big ones. Then again maybe that's just me.
A referee should not be pla.yed like a fiddle by anybody but Kerry do seem to get away with stuff. Dick Clerkin kicked or Nicholas Murphy assaulted - no problem.
Even this Spring Tom Parsons was red carded while Kerry lads were whaling away in same ruck without reproach.
 That day in Limerick, Donnacha Walsh systematically fouled all the time and it was obviously premeditated and tactical. Checking runs, late hits and cheap shots.

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As a neutral, I thought Reilly robbed mayo blind that day. If it was one big decision he got wrong you could understand but it was probably closer to 10/12 more than dubious calls.

Yeah he probably did but we still had the chances to beat Kerry both days and didn't take them!!

Winning teams miss chances all the time as well.

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GAA Discussion / Re: So what do ye think of the black card rule now?
« on: March 28, 2017, 12:47:48 AM »

The problem is that refs are not implementing the rule. Too much individual and circumstantial  interpretation. It was brought in to stop deliberate dragging down - not clumsy tackling (Sean Cavanagh's tackle that probably started the move for this card). Clumsy tackling an ordinary free and a ticking. Dragging at a player that falls down or dives consequently is not a black.  A black also for taking a man out on a support run ( like Richie Feeney got ). A black also for verbal abuse/sledgng - but good luck with that happening.  A yellow is for a successions of tickings or a reckless tackle that is not quite a red. The problem is that refs are not accurate enough and winging it. The same ref. will give black one day, yellow another, ticking another, ignore completely another, depending on his humour and the nature of the game. Refs. just need to be more clinical.

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CORMAC REILLY IS REFFING...  >:(

His rehabilitation is complete!! Doesn't surprise me. They really like sowing it in.  Remember Pat 'f**king'  McEneaney was sent out to ref. the 2004 final and showed how brave he was after shafting us in '96 by giving Kerry easy frees early and often.
 Reilly will do us as well again. I know I am paranoid but they are obviously out to get us.
 Mick Barrett will have cover fire this time. Lol.  I cant imagine Lofty or the other stewards saving Reilly's bacon. Only messing. I'm sure he'll have a great game.

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You're heaping awful pressure on the team with your rampant optimism Farr!

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Official Roscommon Thread
« on: March 27, 2017, 07:29:47 PM »
Roscommon are the only team in the top two divisions that don't play any sort of a defensive system. No signs of any structure to their defence and they give the opposition so much time and room on the ball to either kick pass or shoot for points. In that type of chaos even Dublin or Mayos best individual defender would look average in.

League football is there to show signs of encouragement for the championship ahead yet for Roscommon they seem to be getting worse the longer the league has gone on. Don't care how good Dublin are when you lose any game by 21 points and concede 2-29 you have simply down your tools. Biggest concern for McStay is he seems to have lost the dressing room before the championship looking at him in recent interviews I don't think he believes half the nonsense he says it sounds scripted and he looks to have aged 10 years in the last 12 months.

The joint management was given 3 years but lasted 1 year in hindsight they should have done 2 years and if it didn't work out then both McStay and O Donnell should have left together and then have a fresh start in 2018 .

McStay should have put in a proper defensive structure. Probably fluting around with the stuff Liam was at with Mayo back in 2004 and we all know how that ended that September. Can't see McStay change now though.

Last time we were relegated we won Connacht, Moy.

Yer not exactly looking like yer up to much yerselves..

If we stay up we'll be doing nicely for the time of year. Happy out with a lot of what I've seen. Plenty time to work on the rest.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Official Roscommon Thread
« on: March 27, 2017, 11:52:25 AM »
Roscommon are the only team in the top two divisions that don't play any sort of a defensive system. No signs of any structure to their defence and they give the opposition so much time and room on the ball to either kick pass or shoot for points. In that type of chaos even Dublin or Mayos best individual defender would look average in.

League football is there to show signs of encouragement for the championship ahead yet for Roscommon they seem to be getting worse the longer the league has gone on. Don't care how good Dublin are when you lose any game by 21 points and concede 2-29 you have simply down your tools. Biggest concern for McStay is he seems to have lost the dressing room before the championship looking at him in recent interviews I don't think he believes half the nonsense he says it sounds scripted and he looks to have aged 10 years in the last 12 months.

The joint management was given 3 years but lasted 1 year in hindsight they should have done 2 years and if it didn't work out then both McStay and O Donnell should have left together and then have a fresh start in 2018 .

McStay should have put in a proper defensive structure. Probably fluting around with the stuff Liam was at with Mayo back in 2004 and we all know how that ended that September. Can't see McStay change now though.

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I thought the Cavanagh one might have been for an illegal hand pass. If it was over carrying it was harsh.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Official Roscommon Thread
« on: March 27, 2017, 12:39:59 AM »
Unlike my fellow Mayomen on the banter page, I have no interest in how much other teams beat other teams by. I certainly don't revel in it. Something must be seriously rotten in the County of Roscommon when they shipped a 21 point defeat last night. Is it all McStay's fault? Or has FOD stepping down caused the malaise?

I don’t gloat either. I sympathise with all decent Rossies who must be shell shocked this morning. I actually like Roscommon and  I’d I’d back them against any side bar my own- (with the possible exception of Sligo and Leitrim.)
Given that the population of the county was just over 64k at the time of the last census and that of Dublin was 1.345 million, the end result was never in doubt but the winning margin did neither team any good. I don’t want to keep harping here that the shafting of John Evan was a bad idea and the subsequent results bear this out. Fact is that things haven’t gone well for Roscommon since the time a few players got a bit pissed in Donegal and the red top newsrags went to town on the story. Dunno where they go from there but I do think when the management duo parted ways last year, the wrong one was let go.

I dunno Lar. FOD had a cut at it before. Sheerin - who tore into McStay - was on the sideline with Tony Mac. when Roscommon took a bit of a walloping in McHale Park back in 99, when they thought they were on their uppers.
 I thought Roscommon started well enough and with good intent against the Dubs but were just overwhelmed.  They have players that can play but not at Dublin's level - yet anyway. The Murtagh's and the Smiths will give you moments of quality but too many are not good enough. Especially defenders and midfield. None of their 1-9 would be an asses roar near a Mayo team, never mind a Dublin team. And I'd include a legend like Seanie McDermott in that at this stage of his career.
 I have no sympathy for McStay either. He went into this with his eyes wide shut. Above all people he should have known what task he faced. He's been around long enough to know what happens when you're on a sideline and things go pearshaped.
 Also Fergie was there last year when they lost badly against Galway and Clare in the championship. Really the board should have got rid of the lot at that stage and started again.

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Great to get the points but poor enough performance tbh. However, our willingness to use the kickpss today was notable, it's obviously the style Rochford wants to play so hopefully that's starting to come together - Parsons' goal was a great piece of play. It could be particularly effective if mixed with our running game and would allow us to conserve energy at times in big games. Where it falls down though is if you get down the pitch with two kickpasses and then start handpassing backwards again. Kirby and Boland are both good kick passers

Thought the ref was so-so at best, yellow for Drake was no more than a foul. Black for Sludden was the same. Black for keegan looked bad initially but on replay wasn't a black. Same with the possible black by Donnelly - I thought drake should have keep going as there was a goal on. Black for Kirby was harsh. Punch on COC was a red and yer man will be lucky to avoid a suspension, same with donnelly at the end.

I thought paddy Durcan made a huge difference in the half back line, he attacks with serious pace instead of sauntering with the ball. COC was better today but still a bit out of sorts. DOC looks a shadow of himself.

Hard to see on TV but did we play a sweeper today? Tyrone seemed to have an easy kick out so I presume someone was dropping back?

For Tyrone, they'll be wondering how they lost that, brutal in front of the posts although mcgeary took some nice points.

I would give our defence some credit as regards Tyrone's misses. Pressure results in rash decisions and hurried shots. Overall possession was 50/50ish. They got players behind the ball quicker and transition quicker but we did enough to make them fire off a few rushed efforts. Some ended up as fine scores - some bad wides. We know that story well.
 At the other end we are hugely reliant on Andy Moran right now to win and use the ball inside. Is that sustainable? I dunno. Maybe it is the way to go. We have gone from the Horan era of playing 2 corner forwards in an AI final (and no covering defender) to playing no corner forwards at all. Great stuff anyway. That first half today was proper stuff. Both teams got tight and tired in second half. Still only March.

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