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GAA Discussion / Re: Clare v Mayo Round 3A Qualifier
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:48:20 AM »
This game will most likely see out this core group of players,i really hope our brilliant support can show tjem appreciation in defeat. A massive thunderous clap when its over in a big grma to the lads for the massive gallant effort theyve put in these last few years.

Now, now, Larry! This is not the time to be going all sentimental and all.We can lose on Saturday. I'd be less scary cat than the Derry game and I can see it going a few ways really. I know damn all about Clare, but like last Saturday, I expect this will also come down to what Mayo are about. If we fart around again it could be close again and we could lose it - yeah. Management has to make sure we don't do the same messing. They had their wake-up call. I'd give them a pass on the Galway game because they couldn t legislate for Higgins and the conditions.
 When the core of this team eventually shuffle off, I don't think a clap will be much consolation though Larry. Not what they played for. Anyway, like in the past, this group of players will drip away one after another like others before them. As another poster said on a different thread some time ago - Mayo players don't retire, they just don't get selected anymore. The rule is, if you haven't a few AI medals you cant retire. You just get dropped or piss off.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: July 02, 2017, 08:55:01 PM »
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No, it seems according to you. Sure twas all the sending off, sure twill be grand the next day when we play with the full 15, twill be alright on the night

All but 4 Mayo posters are deluded here Blast.

Our goose is cooked unless SR has the balls to completely change things around (if he is let) in the next game.

Dropping SOS (use him as an impact rather than starting) and starting Coen in midfield is a start. Keeping Moran in reserve and starting either Loftus or COS (if fit). Dropping Donie (Donie might be needed for Higgins), starting Kirby.  Dropping Dillion (is the medium term plan to use Dillion this year?) from the panel and bringing in Akram or Cuniffe or some other speedy U21 from last years team. Starting Lee in his position and bringing in Boyle. Putting midfielders into midfield for the throw-ins.

If some (not all) of these changes aren't made then the first Div1 team we face will knock us out. My faith is gone so I don't believe these changes will be made. In fact the cynic in me predicts Hennelly will be back the next day and that will be the only unenforced change.

We can start planning for the electric picnic this year.

At least Rochford made some changes. Speed in the forwards is still our problem.

The cause of poor shooting is that we are shooting under pressure as we aren't quick enough or don't have the skill levels to take on our markers .

Agree. You usually find that if a team's approach work is good - good quick offloads and support running and putting a man into space around the scoring area - the scores come. Also getting the most accurate players taking on the shots. One of the problems playing Coen and Vaughan at 10/12 is that they are likely to be on the end of things and taking shots on. Their susses rate is what. 50% at best from relatively easy chances. Doherty, McLoughlin (even if he had a nightmare shooting yesterday) and Diarmuid better options in those positions in every way imo. 
 If we go with Seamie and Tom in midfield we are going to struggle to get pace and balance into the forwards. You need to go with 6 from Doc, Diarmuid , Andy, Cillian, Loftus, Kevin Mac and Aidan.
Personally I d go with;
                                         Seamie         Parsons
                                   Kevin Mac   Cillian      Diarmuid
                                                     Aidan
                                           Andy            Loftus

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: July 02, 2017, 08:10:18 PM »

Still trying to get my head around yesterday. I was half expecting the worst so was relieved by a win - any kind of win. I didn't know what type of self-destruction Mayo would do to itself yesterday but as it turned out it. This time instead of own goals and poor discipline it was the old fashioned missing easy trees and some of the worst shooting we've ever witnessed. Throw in our inability to handle anything above shoulder height in full-back line and it was some self destruction.
 As I expected, Derry are much better than people were making them out to be and were not fazed at all. They have as good a 3 and 6 as there is about and all are good footballers. Whatever they are missing it is not talent.
 I dunno where Mayo are heading? I'm still hopeful something might fall into place but on the evidence of 60mins yesterday we are rudderless in a storm. I've seen Mayo teams die before my eyes in the past and refused to accepted it until they were lowered into the ground.
 What can we do to turn it around? Changes are needed and it will be interesting to see if we get any. Enough of the old guard are playing well and our poor form is not down to burnout imo.  I don't get the Coen/Vaughan selection. Both will do donkey work but cant take a chance. Vaughan also being targeted for turnovers because he finds control and passing difficult. We need more pace inside and support runners to take ball off Parsons, Seamie and Aidan.
 We were far better set up with McLoughlin and Diarmuid on the wings and Doc dropping deep. I'd play Cillian at 11 (we badly need a playmaker) and play a quick player like Loftus with Andy inside.  When Andy tires move Cillian in to ff. Also keep Kevin Mac Away from any frees. They are killing him.  Anything too far to the right should be taken quick and short.
 Something has to be done. Go with the same set up again next day and we will probably get similar performance. Expecting anything else would be silly.
 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:52:51 PM »
Some magic sponge work done down the West!

Or paper doesn't refuse ink?
We wont know if its a dummy team or not until some time before throw-in.
If that team named is well and plays I'd be a bit more upbeat. If there is a few changes I'd be very iffy.
As selected with Coen wearing 12 I'm trying to imagine how it will shape up. I'd like to see him hold at 6 and give Keegan a more attacking role - that's if Keegan plays. I'm also struggling to see how we can get enough scores to beat anybody convincingly.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: June 30, 2017, 08:39:11 PM »
I think that if one were to compare Joe Brolly to a jackass, it would be a grievous insult.
Jackasses do have feelings, y'know.
However, I have to agree with a few points he has made in this article. I still have flashbacks about the game in Limerick. Donaghy destroyed Caff, who had to go man on man with him for the whole game. Kerry pumped the ball in on him with great accuracy and to great effect. Meanwhile Jamesy was left to prowl at will, waiting for the offload and neither of the corner backs made any serious attempt to block him.
FFS. Mayo were all over Kerry and should have won by a country mile if it wasn't for  the failure of Horan to do anything about Donaghy's dominance in front of goal. You could add in for good measure that the accuracy of the midfielders and half backs when targeting Donaghy was also a big asset for Kerry. 
Caff didn't do well against Comer and I can't see him improving if Mayo to progress after tomorrow.
I don't think Derry has anyone in Donaghy's class to worry Mayo but there could be other, bigger challenges ahead and it could prove disastrous if the FB line isn't functioning at 100% for the entire game.
I really can't see Derry winning this one but I don't think Mayo are ruthless enough to blast them off the pitch. The habit of easing off when they appear to be in full control has hampered Mayo for years; the game against Sligo this year is a perfect example of what I mean.
Mayo should win by 10 but will probably manage win by 2 or 3.

I wouldn't be confident at all. Not with our ability to find ways to lose. I remember Derry giving us a bellyful of it in the league a couple of years ago. We couldn t handle Kielt or McGucian at all. Lynch has always been a job for us. If our injury situation is as bad as reported we'll do well to get a result. In general our record in qualifiers is awful. Not this team, but if you take Keegan, Higgins, Barrett, Caff, and Aidan O Shea out of this team, it is not quite 'this' team any more.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Doire
« on: June 30, 2017, 03:02:47 PM »
I see Brolly is back on the wind-up and he's back on Mayo's case again.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/keith-higgins-is-out-which-in-a-way-is-a-blessing-joe-brolly-thinks-mayo-are-vulnerable-in-the-qualifiers-35881553.html

He knows how bad Derry are and how they are far more interested in club football than the county scene yet he's stirring it up again knowing this is a team who should have beaten Dublin last year at the first chance despite scoring two ogs.
Even if it was in Derry, Mayo would still win easy. It's a team that got relegated to Div 3 against a team who are consistently in the AI semifinals at least.

Mayo at a canter lads

I reckon a lot of people would agree with those points Joe makes there.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 13, 2017, 01:17:00 AM »
I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Nonsense and you know it - if you don't then..... . Galway's dominance in first half was brief and Mayo were well back in it and attacking - the goal was from a shot that came back off a post. Galway got lucky shortly after with another shot off the crossbar with the keeper bet all things up. Throw in the freakish saves/awful misses in second half ye could have been looking at 3 goals against. Accept the win for what it was and stop spinning and trying to be annoying. Ye had a good day and we had a bad day. If you can't see the importance of the sending off in how the game developed, it's time to turn on the ignore button because you are not worth bothering with in that case.

Cillian was going for a point on that occasion. Getting anything from that wouldve been amazing luck. The goalmouth scramble was lucky in Galways sense alright. But O'Donnell had a serious goal chance before that which wouldve out the game completely to bed from a long way out. I just don't like the narrative that Galway were lucky. It was an even split imo between two very evenly matched sides and I believe the better team won on the day

Really annoying seeing this 14 men stuff also, as if it's some advantage that God bestowed upon Galway and the game should come with some sort of asterisk. Mayo had 14 men because of a completely deserved sending off. When the hammering in 2013 is discussed, you never hear "Mayo ran up the score against and exhausted 13 man Galway". You just hear "Mayo hammered Galway". Just as those sending offs were deserved and Galway deservedly punished, the same applies to Mayo here

I don't anybody is suggesting that Higgin's should not have been sent off.
 I was mad with him and I don't know anybody that isn't. I'm also still mad that we were so undercooked in last year's match. These games mean a lot to me still. Losing yesterday hurt as much as last year's AI final. These are the 'test' matches that are must win. We lost. Higgin's messed up. I don t mind picking him out because I expect he is harder on himself now than likes of me or anybody else. He's got a bit of slack though but Regan has been slated on social media and made the headline in Daily Mail ( local Super Value were giving them away). Regan did mess up but did he let his county down ( I don't think believe anybody lets their county down - but some do) more than Higgins did?
 Galway players celebrated yesterday's final whistle as much as the lads celebrated AI wins in the past. These games still matter.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 13, 2017, 12:58:30 AM »
I think it's great from a Galway perspective that the coverage is completely focused on Mayo in the aftermath of the game, Galway can quietly look ahead to the (probable) Roscommon match in the Connacht final and the chance to go back to back in the West.

Higgins sending off was obviously the biggest single incident in the match. Would Mayo have won with 15 players? Probably.

From a rewatch of the game this evening a few things stood out:
McLoughlin had a great 1st half, not as prominent in the 2nd but madness to take him off in my view.
Galway FB line looked like it was going to get taken to the cleaners early on, having the extra man saved them after that. 
COC is some man trying to get cards for opposition players, the black was a joke, Bradshaw should have known better for his yellow but COC was the one doing all the provocation.
Keegan at CHB is not where I would have him, himself and Walsh cancelled each other out for most of it but his best position is clearly at 5.
The lack of anticipation by the Galway defenders for the shot that hit the post and led to the goal was glaring.
"Keith Higgins is not that kind of player", he hit Mark Hehir off the ball with one of the most cowardly blows I've seen in Galway Mayo games in 2011 with no sanction, Galway were waiting 6 years for that Higgins red card.
Armstrong looked shot in some of the league games I was at, one of Galway's better players yesterday, hats off to him.
If you are not enthused by Comer's wrecking ball attitude to the game then Gaelic football is not the sport for you, that hit on DOC, yikes.
Heaney's double save was heroic stuff. The events leading to those saves were madness though.
How the referee didn't blow a free at the end for the foul on Cummins was incredible, some bad decisions against both teams over the course of the match but he wasn't the cause of the Mayo loss.
This was proper championship stuff, the atmosphere on the terrace was superb yesterday and it came across on the broadcast as well, great to have these contests with Mayo again.

Mayo showed fantastic spirit but they also showed the same failings that have occurred many times before, they were up against a team that is a good few rungs below them in the overall scheme of things and they couldn't manufacture a score over the last ten minutes with a gale behind them.
Galway didn't even play that particularly well yesterday and let's be honest, the "caught on the hop" excuse is not going to cut it for Mayo this year. It's a long road back to the 3rd Sunday in September for them now, I wouldn't write them off, it'll be difficult but I'd wager they'll still be playing in August if I had to, whether they'll win the all Ireland looks more doubtful.

Good post An Fhairche Abu.

I don't think anybody with cop-on  really bought the 'caught on the hop' stuff last year. We were not where we should have been and maybe there were reasons for that but ultimately there is no excuse for being ring rusty for a championship game against an arch rival. Sunday we were probably as good as we could be as regards ready, but maybe management got a bit too cute again with starting team. Not sure Cohen and Vaughan was the way to go. Especially with Boyle dropped tactically. That is up with dropping Clarke for AI final for being too smart. Did conditions on the day effect changes? I would have gone with players with better ball skills in those conditions myself. Vaughan looked very uncomfortable and shanked one good scoring chance in particular. His hands were slow and soloing in close quarters poor. Shane Nally also is better technically.
 Aidan O Shea is obviously injured and cant move well and probably was intended for a different role than what he was used for. It may have been worth a punt to put him in ff for a while.
 If Mayo are thinking of September and winning an AI they are delusional. Regrouping and winning ugly one day at a time is our future. Another bad day and it will be a quick future though.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 13, 2017, 12:22:26 AM »
It had an impact but it was of your own doing. I don't think Mayo players will be saying today if it wasn't for that sending off. They'll know they didn't do enough to win that game when it was there for either team.

You were gobsmacked by jh analysis about Mayo not being of required pace or intensity. Well I don't think they were.
If Comer had hit O'Connor like that in 2013, Mayo lads would have buried him. There was no reaction. The Mayo I've seen regularly at the business end didn't seem to be there. Durcan had a bad wide when he came off the shoulder a la Lee Keegan. They just didn't click when they looked like they might and needed to!
The challenge of going down to 14 is something Mayo lads would normally relish.

Comer wasn't there in 2013 and it was a fair hit anyway. The only concern at that stage was a score anyway.
Durcan should never have taken that shot off his weaker foot.
 Yeah, this team played their best half of football in drawn semi v Kerry a few years ago with 14 men and were ultimately let down at the death by a sideline that must have had a brain freeze.
 Now I know you will probably take this as a criticism but I don't think there is any Div. 1 team that would have fancied going into Salthill yesterday against Galway, in pretty good shape, in probably the worst conditions I've seen for a Championship game. Even before the throw-in Padraig Joyce acknowledged that Galway were used to playing in windy conditions there.
 I see some Galway posters are hurting about lack of credit for the win. Not so. They got the Prodigal Son stuff in the few bits I read anyway. On the other hand Mayo are carved up again for losing. Will the loser of Tyrone/Donegal be dismissed as readily?
 In other provinces, Dublin and Kerry are fattening up on Carlows and Clares. Hardly lion's den stuff - which Salthill yesterday was.
 Saying that we have issues. Keegan should be at 5, Boyle should always be in the team and discipline isn't great. That's just for starters.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 11:54:34 PM »
Just listened to off the ball who had BJ Padden & Michael Quirke. Padden as usual talked nonsense and offered no proper analysis of the game whilst you'd have to wonder if Quirke even watched the game when claimed Galway were poor for the whole of the 2nd half.

Thought we were relatively comfortable for most of the 2nd half until the last 10/12 minutes when the back 4 especially had a collective brainfart and hit the panic button after a series of poor handpasses, poor kickouts and Lavelle haring up the pitch like the Inis Bofin, Rene Higuita.

Yeah, galway looked comfortable in the second half bar the last ten minutes or so. I kept expecting us to kick on after ht but it never happened. We were clueless up front for large parts of it.  The goal line save was the game.

The xtra man gave them a degree of comfort. Mayo not being able to commit totally to pressing kickouts allowed them go short and keep ball and be patient. Further up there were opportunities to unleash a direct runner. It also meant they could press our kick-outs and have an xtra body sniffing around breaking ball when we went long. The goal line save was the game and in spite of our uselessness and handicap it was a one point game. Galway should be very pleased with this but a question for them. If by some 'fluke' we managed to get a result there after being down a man for 54 mins, would their team's performance look as sweet?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 11:42:11 PM »
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
 But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
 Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
 When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

We'll never get credit for beating Mayo. Now we ran up 4 easy points but that was just because Mayo weren't settled. But sure after that it was the Mayo show. Then in second half we got a run and put up 3 quick points till it was the Mayo show again.

Whisht with ye. Depending on what way you look at it you can read this game how you like. Not having this rubbish about sending off cost Mayo that game. That's part of Gaelic football keeping your discipline and shouldn't be used as an excuse and hearing things like we would have won with a bit to spare if he wasn't sent off is sad stuff. Especially with a clear a red as you're likely to see.

Galway could crow on about how we were flying and would have won with a bit to spare if it wasn't for that poxy goal which bounced off the post, or tom flynns ridiculous black card or Danny cummins not burying a goal. Instead we got to listen to the land of the if only's.

Not one bit of credit given to Galway from Mayo. Thought last year I could understand them feeling that we caught them on the hop. Two years in a row may be more in it.

You completely misrepresented me there. I posted yesterday and gave Galway good credit and respect. It's not too many posts back so you can find it again no bother.
 I also accepted that what Higgin's did was stupid and correctly the team has to take the hit for that.
What's the matter with you? You're trying to spin it that I'm moaning about the sending off. I wasn't.
 But if you really believe it was not a huge swing for Galway you are also deluded.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 11:22:09 PM »
I keep seeing in places that Galway were apparently lucky. Mayo's goal, at a time of Galway dominance, seems to be conveniently forgotten. That 3 point swing based on the way a ball bounces is huge in a low scoring game. If you offered me that ball bouncing away from goal, or the sending off, i'd definitely choose the former. The single most pivotal moment of the game and one almost completely based on luck

Nonsense and you know it - if you don't then..... . Galway's dominance in first half was brief and Mayo were well back in it and attacking - the goal was from a shot that came back off a post. Galway got lucky shortly after with another shot off the crossbar with the keeper bet all things up. Throw in the freakish saves/awful misses in second half ye could have been looking at 3 goals against. Accept the win for what it was and stop spinning and trying to be annoying. Ye had a good day and we had a bad day. If you can't see the importance of the sending off in how the game developed, it's time to turn on the ignore button because you are not worth bothering with in that case.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:54:59 PM »
Not often I agree with Syferus but he's right, we were very lucky not to have thrown that game away. Danny Cummins should have made sure with that last shot he had, we made a lot of mistakes and have plenty to work on. They showed great heart and hunger though in fairness to them. Still not sold on Lavelle in goals though, the short kick outs seem to have been the game plan and that's fair enough even though it's so frustrating to watch, but this carrying the ball out of his own defence is ridiculous, how many times did he cause trouble for himself and his own full back line? Only for Johnny Heaney we'd have lost that game. Armstrong really stepped up yesterday, was a bit quieter in the second half but he was bang on in the first. Can't wait to see Comer playing again, he seems like a man on a mission this year and what a hit on Diarmuid O'Connor. On a positive note, club championship this weekend, I thought they'd be called off but sense has prevailed. Even though it means Corofin, Monivea Abbey and Caltra are going to be without their hurlers unfortunately.

I dunno. It's all perspective but from where I'm coming from it was Mayo threw that game away. Mayo started both halves very flat. Galway ran up 4 easy points in first half before Mayo settled and then largely controlled most of the first half. Again - inexcusably from out point of view - Galway were allowed get a run on us at the beginning of second half and put up a quick 3 points. This purple patch gave Galway something to fight for and it turned out to be just enough.
 But we really threw it away with the Higgins meltdown. Rightly so, when that happens, a team has to suffer for the individual's actions and it turned out to be crippling. The sending off handed Galway a tactical advantage in the second half they would not have had if it was 15 v 15.
 Some of the post match analysis has missed the point imo. I was gobsmacked by James Horan harping on about Mayo not being at the required pace or intensity or whatever. Talk about ignoring the elephant in the room! The match lasted 80mins. Mayo played with 14 for 54 mins.
 When the dust settles and people stop seeing what they want to see, the sending off (our own making and misfortune), was decisive. We could and should still have won. With Higgins I think we would have won with a bit to spare. But it was what it was and we have to live with it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 08:25:40 PM »

So has O Connor. Practically won one on his own.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Galway v Mayo 11/06/17
« on: June 12, 2017, 01:06:27 AM »
Well done to Galway today. I thought they got most things right on the day, as circumstances evolved.

Mayo - as usual - cut a couple of sticks to beat ourselves up with. Nothing unusual there but similar predictable result/results. The Higgins petulance - there is no other way to describe it - was disappointing, stupid and decisive. It gave Galway a lifeline with possession retention in the second half and they clung to it and got over the line. Apart from incidental and individual errors Galway managed the second half as best they probably could have hoped for in the conditions. I think they will rightly be proud of how they stuck at it. Conditions were awful.

 As a Mayo fan I was gutted we couldn't get a draw out of it. For a team of this experience that should have been achievable. It wasn't for the lack of trying I suppose.
 It is that lack of execution and accuracy in what we are trying to do that fills me with pessimism going forward. This team has always dug deep and everything but often finds a way to lose as well. What will it be the next day? Always self-inflicted drama in case the opposition are not good enough to beat us anyway. For what it is worth I thought we were playing very well (best all year) until Keith lost the plot. After that it was always going to be messy for us.


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