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Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures 2014 - Lets try and help them sort it out
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2013, 07:29:09 PM »
Good work WeeDons- honestly think we need a someone like yourself in the County Board in charge of fixtures

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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2013, 09:08:24 PM »
Good work WeeDons- honestly think we need a someone like yourself in the County Board in charge of fixtures

I'll second that, great effort and showing bit of initiative and forward thinking.

What I don't think has been considered is if we have similar situation this year with seniors in back door and minors winning Ulster. I am a strong believer that no adult game should be postponed due to minor football.

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2013, 08:57:13 AM »
Good work WeeDons- honestly think we need a someone like yourself in the County Board in charge of fixtures

I'll second that, great effort and showing bit of initiative and forward thinking.

What I don't think has been considered is if we have similar situation this year with seniors in back door and minors winning Ulster. I am a strong believer that no adult game should be postponed due to minor football.
i would agree with that.
something has to give somewhere along the line, and clubs have to make some concessions in order for the fixtures to keep going.
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2013, 09:28:38 AM »
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What I don't think has been considered is if we have similar situation this year with seniors in back door and minors winning Ulster. I am a strong believer that no adult game should be postponed due to minor football.
Don't worry, we'll accommodate for this too.
First of all we'll draw up calendars for all the Tyrone Senior possibilities, then Senior + Minor, then Senior + Minor + Club Championships, then the whole lot.

It'll take alot of rewriting but we'll get there so that there's a decent set of blueprints to follow

Please feel free to contribute, there's a template at the below link that has McKenna Cup, NFL, Ulster Championship, Qualifiers, All-Ireland Series and potential Club Championships & Ulster Club Championships penciled in...
http://tinyurl.com/puy3ysc
*Junior Championship Preliminary round needs added

- I don't think minor games should affect senior league games either. Maybe Championship games though?

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Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures 2014 - Lets try and help them sort it out
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2013, 09:31:31 AM »
I think every club should have the opportunity to field their strongest side on championship day, so that should be taken into account, but certainly for the league, games need to continue on regardless of county minor football. If that means the lads are unable to play for their clubs, then so be it.
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »
I think every club should have the opportunity to field their strongest side on championship day, so that should be taken into account, but certainly for the league, games need to continue on regardless of county minor football. If that means the lads are unable to play for their clubs, then so be it.

Yeah, I would think so. Our Club are rarely in this situation so would be keen to hear the opinions of others.

My thinking would be these lads are involved in; County Minors, Club Minors, Club U21s, Schools football, Senior Club Championship & whatever Senior league games they're available for when there are no conflicts.
With player burnout in mind, and the hope that they'll have 15+ years adult club league football ahead of them, I wouldn't be expecting them to complete a full season of adult league football alongside the rest of their commitments.

A smaller club with 1 star minor player might disagree...

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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2013, 10:29:03 AM »
Starting to draw up scenarios. So far i have the below list. this doesn't include for replays or the County Minors taking a different path than the Seniors. It also doesn't consider not making the Quarter Finals

I'll add links to appropriate calendars later and we can discuss the best way to fixture games for each scenario

*By ‘All-Ireland Series’ I mean Quarter Finals onwards

Scenario 1
Win Ulster, enter All-Ireland Series
•   Scenario 1.1 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 1.2 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 1.3 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 1.4 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 1.5 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 1.6 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 1.7 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 1.8 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 1.9 = Quarter Final A
•   Scenario 1.10 = Quartet Final B

Scenario 2
Knocked out in first round, enter All-Ireland Series
•   Scenario 2.1 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 2.2 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 2.3 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 2.4 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 2.5 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 2.6 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 2.7 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 2.8 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 2.9 = Quarter Final A
•   Scenario 2.10 = Quartet Final B


Scenario 3
Knocked out in Ulster Qtr Final, enter All-Ireland Series
•   Scenario 3.1 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 3.2 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 3.3 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 3.4 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 3.5 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 3.6 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 3.7 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 3.8 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 3.9 = Quarter Final A
•   Scenario 3.10 = Quartet Final B

Scenario 4
Knocked out in Ulster Semi- Final, enter All-Ireland Series
•   Scenario 4.1 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 4.2 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 4.3 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 4.4 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 4.5 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 4.6 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 4.7 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 4.8 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 4.9 = Quarter Final A
•   Scenario 4.10 = Quartet Final B

Scenario 5
Knocked out in Ulster Final, enter All-Ireland Series

•   Scenario 5.1 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 5.2 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 5.3 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A +Final
•   Scenario 5.4 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B +Final
•   Scenario 5.5 = Quarter Final A + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 5.6 = Quartet Final A + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 5.7 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final A
•   Scenario 5.8 = Quarter Final B + Semi Final B
•   Scenario 5.9 = Quarter Final A
•   Scenario 5.10 = Quartet Final B

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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2013, 10:37:37 AM »
Have I made a mistake here? If Tyrone are knocked out in the Ulster Preliminary round or the Quarter Final, do we still just enter Round 1 of the Qualifiers?
If so, scenarios 2 & 3 are much the same - 2 would give us an extra weekend for club fixtures

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2013, 12:20:32 PM »
Have I made a mistake here? If Tyrone are knocked out in the Ulster Preliminary round or the Quarter Final, do we still just enter Round 1 of the Qualifiers?
If so, scenarios 2 & 3 are much the same - 2 would give us an extra weekend for club fixtures

Yes, preliminary & first round exits put you into the same round of the qualifiers.

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2013, 08:46:16 PM »
On the issue of county minor players and the ACL, this is already covered in the Official Guide, Part 1...

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Leagues may be organised on a single or double round basis. The Regulations outlined in Rule 6.20 in relation to a League Part of a Championship shall apply to League Competitions. where a double round League is played, the combined scores of the two games shall be taken into account when applying clause 5(c)(i) of that Rule.

League Games at Adult Club Level within a County may not be postponed because of the involvement of players in Inter-County minor Games.
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2013, 09:28:14 PM »
On the issue of county minor players and the ACL, this is already covered in the Official Guide, Part 1...

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6.36

Leagues may be organised on a single or double round basis. The Regulations outlined in Rule 6.20 in relation to a League Part of a Championship shall apply to League Competitions. where a double round League is played, the combined scores of the two games shall be taken into account when applying clause 5(c)(i) of that Rule.

League Games at Adult Club Level within a County may not be postponed because of the involvement of players in Inter-County minor Games.

Yes but they are.
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2013, 09:52:24 PM »
On the issue of county minor players and the ACL, this is already covered in the Official Guide, Part 1...

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6.36

Leagues may be organised on a single or double round basis. The Regulations outlined in Rule 6.20 in relation to a League Part of a Championship shall apply to League Competitions. where a double round League is played, the combined scores of the two games shall be taken into account when applying clause 5(c)(i) of that Rule.

League Games at Adult Club Level within a County may not be postponed because of the involvement of players in Inter-County minor Games.

Yes but they are.
That's the fault of the CCC then.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2013, 12:40:59 AM »
It's not so much that the Tyrone CB call off games, it's the management of U21 and especially minor teams telling cubs that they shouldn't play for the Club on certain weekends. Young lads find themselves under pressure to choose between Club and County, and with the carrot of Croke Park this is usually a difficult choice.

We lost two games this season by one point/ two points where we fielded without our County minor. Games we would've won I'd confidently say if he had of played. Both games he was told not to play for the Club, as were all the Tyrone minor squad. However a lot of players ignored this request.

County managers should not be influencing players to make these choices.
Owen Roe O'Neills GAC, Leckpatrick, Tyrone

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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2013, 02:20:33 AM »
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What I don't think has been considered is if we have similar situation this year with seniors in back door and minors winning Ulster. I am a strong believer that no adult game should be postponed due to minor football.
Don't worry, we'll accommodate for this too.
First of all we'll draw up calendars for all the Tyrone Senior possibilities, then Senior + Minor, then Senior + Minor + Club Championships, then the whole lot.

It'll take alot of rewriting but we'll get there so that there's a decent set of blueprints to follow

Please feel free to contribute, there's a template at the below link that has McKenna Cup, NFL, Ulster Championship, Qualifiers, All-Ireland Series and potential Club Championships & Ulster Club Championships penciled in...
http://tinyurl.com/puy3ysc
*Junior Championship Preliminary round needs added

- I don't think minor games should affect senior league games either. Maybe Championship games though?

Only glancing through the thread, but is there a first round of the Championship across all divisions missing there?
Owen Roe O'Neills GAC, Leckpatrick, Tyrone

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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2013, 06:26:01 AM »
I've been trying to crunch fixtures together (it takes quite a bit of time putting things together to include different eventualities) and some scenarios would produce a nightmare of epic proportions if the following happened next year...

* Tyrone are involved in both the NFL1 Semi-Finals and Finals. (That potentially kills at least one date straight away unless you delve into your starred games very early.)
* Tyrone defeat Down but then lose to Monaghan in the Ulster SFC, meaning they enter the All-Ireland Qualifiers at Round 1. (If you lose to Down, you then have the date of when you would have played Monaghan free for a non-starred round before you enter the qualifiers)
* Despite the set back, Tyrone manage to reach, by skill or by luck, the All-Ireland final (the 13-day rule becomes 20 days before an All-Ireland SFC Final. Kiss goodbye to most club football until then especially if you win via the second semi-final)
* The minors also get a good run in the All-Ireland series too (doesn't necessarily affect league, but could upset club championship fixtures)
* The Ulster club championships see Tyrone drawn in at least one preliminary round (meaning your representative starts the competition two weeks early)
* You want to make sure that your county representatives have at least two weeks between winning their county title without a replay and their first game in the Ulster championship (explaining to them that they will almost certainly have to play a league game in between, not to mention that this issue often keeps cropping up like this year)

Not surprisingly the easiest path is if Tyrone don't get any further than All-Ireland Qualifier Round 4, and it's not much more difficult if they are knocked out at the Quarter Final stage. Even if the minors reach the All-Ireland final, those players are only covered in the official guide to playing in a club championship game 7 days maximum before a county game.
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